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[GoldStarz]

why do people want Gen 7 now so badly? we going to get it sooner or later, just Z will come 1st. Nintendo/gamefreak will not pass up on the chance to make money on a thing which works all the time.

It probably stems from many people (myself included, but I'm not rushing) thinking that Gen VI is an overall disappointment and hoping that the next gen is clearer waters. I just hope we get more Pokemon next Gen, only 70 is really a pitiful amount.

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and since i know someone is gonna say it, no megas don't count, the amount of work making a mega compared to making an original 'mon is clearly not the same.

 

[JoeM86]

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and since i know someone is gonna say it, no megas don't count, the amount of work making a mega compared to making an original 'mon is clearly not the same.

The amount of work really is the same.

 

[Nightbird]

The amount of work really is the same.

I'd say it about the as creating a regular evolution (maybe a little bit easier since you just need to add 100 BST to the base stats).

If I would rank the difficulty of creating new Pokémon by what kind of Pokemon, it would look like this:

1. Completely new multi-evolution Pokémon
2. New single-phase Pokémon
3. Evolution to older Pokémon
4. Megaevolution
5. Electric Rodents

 

[ash_ag]

It's not so much that Mega Evolutions don't "count", as it is that when people talk about "new Pokémon", they generally refer to new evolution families. Even with cross-generational evolutions (a concept that has existed since long before Megas), reception can be a bit of a mixed bag at first -- cases like Lickilicky and Tangrowth weren't immediately accepted by all fans.

I have to say that I did love Gen 6's approach though. After Gen 5 introduced over 150 Pokémon, a break (so to speak) was very much needed. And the Kalos ecosystem was incredible. Seeing, say, Pawniard in the same route as Mightyena and Poliwag was great practice for creating a feeling of homogenization and making the newer critters better integrated to the series.

I do think that Gen 7 should introduce more new 'mons, and that Game Freak needs to re-evaluate the concept and the mechanics behind Mega Evolution, but the decision to make Gen 6 less overwhelming was correct, in my view.

 

[JoeM86]

I do think that Gen 7 should introduce more new 'mons, and that Game Freak needs to re-evaluate the concept and the mechanics behind Mega Evolution, but the decision to make Gen 6 less overwhelming was correct, in my view.

In what way? Nothing is wrong with the concept or mechanics...

 

[ash_ag]

In what way? Nothing is wrong with the concept or mechanics...

Mega-Evolved Pokémon being presented as comparable to Legendaries in the context of story isn't very practical as far as their exposure is concerned. Even though there are now dozens of Megas, they barely play a role story-wise. That contributes to their being seen as outsiders and not being "counted" as new Pokémon. The fact that only a handful of them is used even in the competitive scene doesn't help either. I have to say that I'm optimistic about this one though -- the anime is pushing a view on them that I imagine the games will eventually adopt moving forward.

In regards to mechanics, one of the main issues is the fixed +100 BST boost. Where they could be helping underdogs become more competitively viable, they are (most of the time) simply promoting already competent Pokémon. There are some exceptions to this (like a certain outlier imbalance in 6/8 Worlds teams ), but there's little doubt on the fact that more micromanagement of stats would give them better flexibility.

Balance in general could raise a question over whether current mechanics are ideal. I'm not outright saying they should introduce the ability of reverting Mega Evolution mid-battle, or having more than one Mega in your team, or losing a turn to enable it, but all of these (and more) should be worth examining considering that the overall mechanic has largely failed to substantially alter the metagame in a positive way.

 

[Firestorm]

why do people want Gen 7 now so badly? we going to get it sooner or later, just Z will come 1st. Nintendo/gamefreak will not pass up on the chance to make money on a thing which works all the time.

New Generation = Mechanic Changes / Major Changes
3rd Game: Balance Tweaks maybe

One is more exciting.

 

[JoeM86]

New Generation = Mechanic Changes / Major Changes
3rd Game: Balance Tweaks maybe

One is more exciting.

But wanting a new generation to be here, rushed, is not the way. I've seen people clamouring for a new generation since before ORAS. There were people expecting a new gen this year. It's ridiculous.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Yeah I'd rather prefer 6th gen's platinum first.

On a related note, since I didn't mention it here...

I fucking got an emotional response in a Pokemon anime than The Good Dinosaur, holy shit.

 

[Kyzer]

I don't get how Gen 6 was underwhelming unless you're either only a fan of the single player game, or are just ignoring things that you dont like . Like maybe if you dont like megas, 3d battling, wonder trading, pokemon amie, super training, battle spot, or any of the other vast mechanical improvements, and therefore they dont "count" (lol), I guess you can say it was underwhelming.

The story kinda sucked but to me it screamed "third version coming soon" from day 1. The overall game was still worlds better than Diamond/Pearl IMO (except that game had a much better story)

But wanting a new generation to be here, rushed, is not the way. I've seen people clamouring for a new generation since before ORAS. There were people expecting a new gen this year. It's ridiculous.

I'm with you on this issue, that being said though, if Gen 7 did come early it wouldn't necessarily be "rushed". XY came out in 2013. I do want them to really go all out for Gen 7 though, even more than they did for XY. I wanna see it on NX in its early years too.

 

[Nightbird]

I don't get how Gen 6 was underwhelming unless you're either only a fan of the single player game, or are just ignoring things that you dont like . Like maybe if you dont like megas, 3d battling, wonder trading, pokemon amie, super training, battle spot, or any of the other vast mechanical improvements, and therefore they dont "count" (lol), I guess you can say it was underwhelming.

The story kinda sucked but to me it screamed "third version coming soon" from day 1. The overall game was still worlds better than Diamond/Pearl IMO (except that game had a much better story)



I'm with you on this issue, that being said though, if Gen 7 did come early it wouldn't necessarily be "rushed". XY came out in 2013. I do want them to really go all out for Gen 7 though, even more than they did for XY. I wanna see it on NX in its early years too.

That's the case for me sadly.

I don't play competetive anymore, and lets be honest: if you don't train your team like a competetive player, you won't get very far online. This is why i kind of "retreated" into the single player, but it's disappointing as heck. (I still love Wonder Trading though).

Pokémon used to be my primary example of Post-game content done right, but now it's the complete opposite for me. It really feels like they had to take away from the single player to add to the multiplayer.

 

[Stuart444]

I personally wasn't a fan of the region from XY. I don't know why, just not a fan of it.

My main reason for wanting a new gen, new region and all lol.

 

[Busaiku]

Tierno's Blastoise moving like that is so weird.

 

[Rutger]

Pokémon used to be my primary example of Post-game content done right, but now it's the complete opposite for me. It really feels like they had to take away from the single player to add to the multiplayer.

Really?

Other than gen II letting us get eight more badges, I always thought the series was pretty bad when it came to a post-game until the third version of a gen. They always save post-game content so people have a reason to buy the third game, it's probably safe to assume that "Z" or whatever it is will be a lot better on that front than X/Y and probably even ORAS.

 

[GoldStarz]

The amount of work really is the same.

Respectfully I disagree, a Mega doesn't have its own movepool that needs to be created, can only have a single ability, and has a design that is extremely dependent on the non-Mega version, moreso than a normal evolution most of the time.

 

[Chase17]

I fucking got an emotional response in a Pokemon anime than The Good Dinosaur, holy shit.

I'm just getting started with the XY series, and I was surprised how sad the Espurr episode was (at least to me anyways).

 

[GoldStarz]

I personally wasn't a fan of the region from XY. I don't know why, just not a fan of it.

My main reason for wanting a new gen, new region and all lol.

I imagine that's because it's just a circle, like I actually the region, but I mean it is just a disconnected circle with a connecting center.

 

[ArchedThunder]

I want Z in 2016 and Gen VII on NX in 2017.

I'd be disappointed if they skipped over Z, especially with all this Zygarde stuff, and ESPECIALLY if Gen VII was on 3DS right before NX launched.

Really?

Other than gen II letting us get eight more badges, I always thought the series was pretty bad when it came to a post-game until the third version of a gen. They always save post-game content so people have a reason to buy the third game, it's probably safe to assume that "Z" or whatever it is will be a lot better on that front than X/Y and probably even ORAS.

Yeah, and even Gen II's post game was a bit of a mess, the only other post game that has a lot of content really is Black and White 2. People's selective memories about Pokemon post games is really strange to me.

 

[Chase17]

I think if ORAS had the Battle Frontier it would have been perfect from a postgame content standpoint. Between it, the delta episode, and all the legendaries to catch it would have been a nice amount of stuff to do.

 

[Randomly Nameless]

Ehh I find that Emerald, DPPt, HGSS and BW2 have good to great post-games. The rest range from bad to merely okay.

If ORAS had the Battle Frontier it would probably have my favourite post-game.

 

[Stuart444]

So I just watched the episode of PokemonXY, titled: "A Fork In The Road! A Parting Of Ways"

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Good episode, nice to see a good Jessie one since James usually get all the good Rocket episode (best Rocket member honestly, best lines and everything imo). Kinda felt sorry for Jessie as well, found a guy she likes and it's the usual story haha.

(should I be using spoiler tags for older episodes even though it's not that old? I err on the side of caution usually which is why I used them).

Also on a semi-related note since the Pokemon is in the episode:

Rhyperior is one of the most disappointing evolutions for me personally. I love Rhyhorn and Rhydon but I just absolutely hate Rhyperior's design. :/

 

[dakkumauji]

nah, if it aired in japan, it's fair game

and yeah, really liked that episode, made me feel bad for jessie, cause outside of her silly antics almost every episode, you forget she does have a tragic backstory

plus she cleans up so nicely:

 

[Firestorm]

Pokémon used to be my primary example of Post-game content done right, but now it's the complete opposite for me. It really feels like they had to take away from the single player to add to the multiplayer.

Which games made you think that though? Emerald and Platinum? Pokemon has traditionally kept back the bulk of its post-game content until the third version. I really wish they just released that stuff as DLC / expansion but it's always a new full-priced game =/

But wanting a new generation to be here, rushed, is not the way. I've seen people clamouring for a new generation since before ORAS. There were people expecting a new gen this year. It's ridiculous.

New gen this year is ridiculous. New gen next year to celebrate the 20th anniversary isn't out of the question. I expect something a little more than just Z at least.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Yeah I agree, people tend to forget the post-game goodness are generally third version stuff.

 

[Rutger]

Yeah I agree, people tend to forget the post-game goodness are generally third version stuff.

I look forward to seeing the general opinion on gen VI after the third version is released.

I remember Platinum doing wonders for gen IV's reputation.

 

[Boss Doggie]

People seem to use ORAS as a gauge for quality on the third version, which is a bad idea.

 

[JoeM86]

New gen this year is ridiculous. New gen next year to celebrate the 20th anniversary isn't out of the question. I expect something a little more than just Z at least.

Difference is that by the time it comes out, the celebration for the 20th would be long over. 20th is in February. Game launch would be autumn. Long time passed

 

[Nightbird]

Which games made you think that though? Emerald and Platinum? Pokemon has traditionally kept back the bulk of its post-game content until the third version. I really wish they just released that stuff as DLC / expansion but it's always a new full-priced game =/New gen this year is ridiculous. New gen next year to celebrate the 20th anniversary isn't out of the question. I expect something a little more than just Z at least.

Yes exactly. I returned to the franchise with Platinum, so from there on I had a long streak of post-game heavy games if you exclude BW1.

This is why this series became my primary example for that. It was true for some time.

 

[Mr-Joker]

start your nostalgia engines

I get that next year will be Pokémon 20th anniversary, but I would hope that they would chose to celebrate the series as a whole rather than just take the easy route and do more gen 1 pandering.

also another pic of squishies

Feels weird knowing that guy is the third mascot trio, makes him different from the past third version mascot.

It probably stems from many people (myself included, but I'm not rushing) thinking that Gen VI is an overall disappointment and hoping that the next gen is clearer waters. I just hope we get more Pokemon next Gen, only 70 is really a pitiful amount.

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and since i know someone is gonna say it, no megas don't count, the amount of work making a mega compared to making an original 'mon is clearly not the same.

This pretty much, gen 6 for me has be nothing but disappointment after disappointment and while I am excited for "Pokémon Z" I am not holding out hope for it to redeem gen 6.

Gen 6 is a disappointment, but I can I wait for gen 7 to fix the series.

The amount of work really is the same.

Ha ha nope, it takes zero effort to add spikes, goatee and shit.

I don't get how Gen 6 was underwhelming unless you're either only a fan of the single player game, or are just ignoring things that you dont like . Like maybe if you dont like megas, 3d battling, wonder trading, pokemon amie, super training, battle spot, or any of the other vast mechanical improvements, and therefore they dont "count" (lol), I guess you can say it was underwhelming.

The story kinda sucked but to me it screamed "third version coming soon" from day 1. The overall game was still worlds better than Diamond/Pearl IMO (except that game had a much better story)

That's how it was for me, the main game started off strong but fell apart once I reached Shalour City.

There was other factors that gen 6 didn't impress with me, like the low Pokémon count, 3 Pokédex, Megas, one 1 cross gen evolution, a disappointing Champion, bland and easy Gym Leaders and the sheer amount of gen 1 pandering that had no place being there and the fact that the game seemed to have regressed backward from gen 5.

Point is that unless you liked Mega or are into competitive battle there wasn't anything there for me to enjoy.

Really?

Other than gen II letting us get eight more badges, I always thought the series was pretty bad when it came to a post-game until the third version of a gen. They always save post-game content so people have a reason to buy the third game, it's probably safe to assume that "Z" or whatever it is will be a lot better on that front than X/Y and probably even ORAS.

Not true, Diamond/Pearl and Black/White had a decent post games with new areas being unlocked after you have beaten the games.

X and Y however had nothing, though to be honest I am okay with that since I know that I can stop playing after I have defeated the elite 4.

 

[JoeM86]

Ha ha nope, it takes zero effort to add spikes, goatee and shit.

You're being ridiculous

 

[ColtraineGF]

Ha ha nope, it takes zero effort to add spikes, goatee and shit.

That's pretty dismissive, and could be used to apply to any other Pokemon. Megas are ultimately their own thing, and have as much effort put into design as any other Pokemon. These things don't just pop out of thin air, and you should know that.

 

[JoeM86]

That's pretty dismissive, and could be used to apply to any other Pokemon. Megas are ultimately their own thing, and have as much effort put into design as any other Pokemon. These things don't just pop out of thin air, and you should know that.

Exactly. I'm fairly certain they go through a crapload of rebalancing and testing, especially considering their power (and they probably learned from overpowering Mega Kangaskhan).

People are way too dismissive of Mega Evolutions. They are a big part of Pokémon. They're more important than forms, maybe not quite as up there as new Pokémon but they're a huge aspect that should be considered in these things as they are not going anywhere.

 

[Stuart444]

Difference is that by the time it comes out, the celebration for the 20th would be long over. 20th is in February. Game launch would be autumn. Long time passed

tbf, that doesn't matter if they use the whole year as the '20th anniversary year', they wouldn't be the first company to release things during the year of their anniversary.

Just saying. It's not like any of us really know their plans for the anniversary outside of R/B/Y VC releases though so who knows.

 

[JoeM86]

tbf, that doesn't matter if they use the whole year as the '20th anniversary year', they wouldn't be the first company to release things during the year of their anniversary.

Just saying. It's not like any of us really know their plans for the anniversary outside of R/B/Y VC releases though so who knows.

True enough

 

[Stuart444]

Just watched the Lumiose City Gym battle episode. Probably one of my favourite XY episodes, really enjoyed the gym battle and glad it wasn't interrupted or anything

 

[Not75Drops]

Not true, Diamond/Pearl and Black/White had a decent post games with new areas being unlocked after you have beaten the games.

X and Y however had nothing, though to be honest I am okay with that since I know that I can stop playing after I have defeated the elite 4.

Battle Zone was just a few routes with a Battle Tower and the New Unova Routes/Towns were pretty much filler except for Kyurem.

There's post-game areas, but I wouldn't call it decent.

Edit: Oh yeah, the Battle Zone had Heatran as well but Team Galactic had nothing to do with that in D/P anyway.

 

[Rutger]

Not true, Diamond/Pearl and Black/White had a decent post games with new areas being unlocked after you have beaten the games.

X and Y however had nothing, though to be honest I am okay with that since I know that I can stop playing after I have defeated the elite 4.

I really wouldn't consider those to be decent post game content personally. They only added a couple extra hours, a fraction of the time spent on the main story, and not really a whole lot to do except for steamrolling some trainers and catching legendaries. The high level trainers like Cynthia are nice, but there's not a whole lot left once the stories are over in those games.

 

[Chase17]

So a new Pokken fighter reveal on the 10th. That's exciting! I'm hoping for some gen 6 representation (a 5th gen rep is also more than acceptable).

My dream pick would be Goodra. I would lose my mind if Goodra was revealed (there is no chance though).

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

So a new Pokken fighter reveal on the 10th. That's exciting! I'm hoping for some gen 6 representation (a 5th gen rep is also more than acceptable).

My dream pick would be Goodra. I would lose my mind if Goodra was revealed (there is no chance though).

Apparently it's hinted that it has the katakana character "ン" in it. But there's a ton of Pokemon who fit that...

If we limit it to Gen V/VI and fully evolved Pokemon, then the candidates are by Japanese name...Emboar, Samurott, Stoutland, Unfezant, Audino, Conkeldurr, Scolipede, Whimsicott, Scrafty, Sigilyph, Cofagrigus, Reuniclus, Swanna, Emolga, Jellicent, Alomomola, Galvantula, Eelektross, Chandelure, Beartic, Mienshao, Druddigon, Bisharp, Bouffalant, Heatmor, Durant, Hydreigon, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Landorus, Chesnaught, Vivillion, Pyroar, Pangoro, Furfrou, Aromatisse, Sylveon, Dedenne, Goodra, Gourgeist, Noivern, and Diancie. Oh, and Volcanion if he was revealed by then...

Chesnaught would be neat.

 

[papertoonz]

yeah here is a full list of pokemon with "ン" in there Japanese name, obviously some would just not work in a fighting game but it's a good place to look

 

[Cute Dragon Here]

*chuckles*

(Wouldn't it be nice if we could do a bad box art for everything?)

 

[Chase17]

Apparently it's hinted that it has the katakana character "ン" in it. But there's a ton of Pokemon who fit that...

If we limit it to Gen V/VI and fully evolved Pokemon, then the candidates are by Japanese name...Emboar, Samurott, Stoutland, Unfezant, Audino, Conkeldurr, Scolipede, Whimsicott, Scrafty, Sigilyph, Cofagrigus, Reuniclus, Swanna, Emolga, Jellicent, Alomomola, Galvantula, Eelektross, Chandelure, Beartic, Mienshao, Druddigon, Bisharp, Bouffalant, Heatmor, Durant, Hydreigon, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Landorus, Chesnaught, Vivillion, Pyroar, Pangoro, Furfrou, Aromatisse, Sylveon, Dedenne, Goodra, Gourgeist, Noivern, and Diancie. Oh, and Volcanion if he was revealed by then...

Chesnaught would be neat.

Thanks for the list. I think Chesnaught would be pretty good choice as well. And being a starter probably helps its chances. Also there are not any grass types yet.

 

[spiritfox]

*chuckles*



(Wouldn't it be nice if we could do a bad box art for everything?)

That's a thing of beauty.

 

[Rutger]

So a new Pokken fighter reveal on the 10th. That's exciting! I'm hoping for some gen 6 representation (a 5th gen rep is also more than acceptable).

My dream pick would be Goodra. I would lose my mind if Goodra was revealed (there is no chance though).

Cool.

I already have Weavile, so I'll be happy with anything else, just keep adding to the roster.

Apparently it's hinted that it has the katakana character "ン" in it. But there's a ton of Pokemon who fit that...

If we limit it to Gen V/VI and fully evolved Pokemon, then the candidates are by Japanese name...Emboar, Samurott, Stoutland, Unfezant, Audino, Conkeldurr, Scolipede, Whimsicott, Scrafty, Sigilyph, Cofagrigus, Reuniclus, Swanna, Emolga, Jellicent, Alomomola, Galvantula, Eelektross, Chandelure, Beartic, Mienshao, Druddigon, Bisharp, Bouffalant, Heatmor, Durant, Hydreigon, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Landorus, Chesnaught, Vivillion, Pyroar, Pangoro, Furfrou, Aromatisse, Sylveon, Dedenne, Goodra, Gourgeist, Noivern, and Diancie. Oh, and Volcanion if he was revealed by then...

Chesnaught would be neat.

Though we do still need a Gen V/VI Pokemon, going off of this list I'd like to see Pangoro personally.

 

[Nightbird]

So what happened to Pokémon Go?

Wasn't the beta going to start this year?

 

[Boss Doggie]

Yeah I would so want Chesnaught.

 

[ash_ag]

So what happened to Pokémon Go?

Wasn't the beta going to start this year?

It is supposed to have a closed beta "this winter". That could mean January / February 2016 for all we know, but I imagine we'll have news any time now more likely than not, considering it is indeed slated for early 2016.

 

[Kyzer]

Emboar makes a lot of sense for Pokken

 

[Refyref]

It's a crime that Gardevoir is announced and Gallade isn't.

 

[spyroflame0487]

Build a Bear Pikachu is up for preorder now, looks like the release was pushed up to late December (probably to capitalize on Christmas)

$60 nets you a 15 inch Pikachu plush, exclusive voice box, Charizard and Pokeball Hoodies, and an exclusive promo card (looks to be a reprint of another Pika card with the BaBW logo on it).