Dr.Palutena
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I'd say there isn't really much to argue about when there isn't new news or games out. I mean we could probably get into mundane and minute details about things.
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Pokémon Community Thread: Gotta Catch 'Em All!
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I'd say there isn't really much to argue about when there isn't new news or games out. I mean we could probably get into mundane and minute details about things.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Well, you guys could help me put my new gimmick team through the ropes in a double battle instead of repeating the same arguments if you like.
Japanese Sunday, which means American Saturday. Hopefully it ends up actually being Grey, as it should be about time for an announcement what with the upcoming Kyurem movie.
Platinum did help me appreciate Gen 4 a bit more but it's still inferior compared to the amazing Gen 3.
Agatha's team was always kinda sad as well. I definitely recall having to explain to someone that her team was supposed to be ghost types, not poison types.
ThatObviousUser
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Yeah when is it? Like 4 on Saturday? (IIRC)
What was that program we used to tune in?
What was that program we used to tune in?
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Lance the Dragon Master (uses only one Dragon line). At least his team tries to match the theme as best as it can aesthetically.
The program is called Key Hole and the channel is TV Tokyo.
ThatObviousUser
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And it is 4 EST right?
Lance G/S/C team is secretly a Flying team.
Dr.Palutena
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Funny since she was later replaced by Koga.
According to this page, it airs at 7:30 AM, on Sunday, in Japan.
Not sure how many hours ahead that is to EST.
Syph Medwes
Member
Personally it's not even so much that Gen 4 sucks, it's that all the other gens are way better.
ok so maybe that's the same...
Yes we do :/
New (I think) topic idea! Judge the game intro and title screens!
Red/Blue - I try very hard not to let nostalgia cloud my judgement here, but I think in terms of showing exactly what Pokémon is about and setting the mood, the original Red and Blue intro is pitch-perfect. When it then blends into the title screen and dat music starts up, you know you're heading out on a grand adventure. For bonus points, the anime had a great recreation of it that made the show seem so coooooool.
Yellow - No. Moving on...
Gold/Silver - Never liked it. While the very first time you fired it up it had a cool "oh man it looks like the cartoon!" vibe, the entire thing is an unfocused mess, with no sense of continuity in the visuals or the music. Actually quite a shame because I think that first shot with the Shellders at the bottom of the ocean slowly panning up is really cool. And I really have to challenge their choice of Pokémon to feature. Apart from the (brief) appearance of the three starters, they're all gen 1. I mean, why have Charizard as you epic title fade shot? Makes no damn sense.
However, the title screens are actually much better than gen I. They look gorgeous, even now. Wonderful sense of intelligent colour design about them, and the take on the main theme is nice. Unfortunately, as it doesn't mesh with the intro at all I just cannot give praise to Gold and Silver for this.
Crystal - oh my god that ditto turned into the GameFreak logo did you see that shit? And wonderful, wonderful stuff overall. Features only gen II Pokémon (wisely including a Pichu to replace Pikachu) and sets an ominous tone, hinting at what the story will be. It completely blows the Gold/Silver effort out of the water. Absolutely love it. I'm sure if I'd played this one back in the day I would have been all :O That title screen is also another really good take on the main theme. I actually think both the Gold and Silver title screens are better than the Crystal one, but as it's about how both the intro and title work together, Crystal is obviously the clear winner there.
Ruby/Sapphire - Stunning. Absolutely stunning. The dew drops on the leaves, slow pan up to a mysterious flying Pokémon zooming into the horizon, followed by an exciting bicycle chase (looks better in Ruby with the mountains in the background, btw. Sapphire's sea background is a bit boring). Just this single sequence is probably one of the best things to ever be in a Pokémon game. Which is why it is so disappointing when it suddenly shifts to a very lazy Pokémon battle animation. The Red/Blue intro on the archaic gameboy looked better than what was achieved here. And after G/S/C's beautifully animated titles, the title screen here is just lazy. It's not even that great an arrangement of the main theme, either. What a waste.
Emerald - So take the elegant first half of the Ruby/Sapphire intro and throw a bunch of shit on top of it. GameFreak logo, now in letter-by-letter TRANSITION-O-VISION (omg!), that cycling intro now with four Pokémon fighting for screen time (so fly!), replace that lackluster, poorly-animated battle with a lackluster-poorly animated montage of the three story legendaries (so hype!), cap it all off with another really lazy title screen (stretch that dollar!) and you have Pokémon Emerald's intro!
FireRed/LeafGreen - Really hard to judge this one, to be honest. On the one hand, it's a good update to the classic intro, on the other hand, it's nowhere near as good as the first half of the Ruby/Sapphire intro and just seems a little lazy, all in all. Also, what's with the forest setting? For some reason I don't think it meshes with gengar at all. I mean, it looks nice and all but given the hardware I think they could have done more whilst still staying true to the original, minimalist intro, you know? On the upside, the title screen is a great improvement over Ruby/Sapphire, yet still lacks of the beauty of G/S/C. Also not a fan of the main theme arrangement here, either. So really I'd call this one adequate.
Diamond/Pearl - Okay, that GameFreak logo? Wonderful. Sets the perfect tone for "Pokémon just hit the DS!". Then it just goes into a weak-ass montage, the only purpose of which seems to be "it looks just the same! But now in 3D! Isn't that just swell, guys?" before doing a really lazy walking animation with the boy and girl trainers with the starters. Like, if you're not going to bother to animate the thing properly, why even bother? Then, shot of A MOUNTAIN that looks scary but has zero context before fading into a title screen is actually quite a bit better than the R/S/E ones. I like the title theme, too. I mean, I get the impression they were going for this really ominous feel about the whole thing but like with Gold and Silver they failed by having an intro that was all over the place in terms of audio and visuals. The use of dual screen was also really lazy. Just a static logo up top? Why even bother? Weak overall.
Platinum - "Take what we did with Diamon and Pearl and make it good" is the brief I imagine the intro guys were handed this time around. The environment montage is kept brief, with some characters haphazardly thrown on top, but when we get to the trainers split across the two screens, both running, with the suggestion they're about to battle... my, it just looks so exciting, doesn't it? And instead of ominous scary mountain with zero context, we get an ominous man we can at least presume is the bad guy. People around these parts say Platinum is the only way to play gen IV. Judging by the intro screen, they may be right. Anyway, overall quite strong.
HeartGold/SuperiorSilver - If you're going to do an all-over-the-place intro like with Gold and Silver, I think what HG/SS does is probably the only way you could do it and make it work. It's not brilliant, but it does the job it's supposed to. The environment montage is thankfully a lot quicker paced that it was in D/P/Pt, and the 2D art is vibrant. There's a severe lack of 2D animation, though, with the first half of R/S's intro still putting the rest of the series to shame. But then we get to the title screen, and I gotta say it is ugly. I hate those 3D models of Lugia and Ho-Oh. They look so amateur. This is counter-balanced by it having the first decent arrangement of the main theme since the GBC days. So, uh, I dunno. Bit of a mixed bag this one, really. Decent, not special.
Black/White - I think in many ways we could say that B/W was - well, not a reboot - but definitely a conscious 'new beginning' of the Pokémon series, and I really think this intro captures it. Ignoring how it's entirely confined to one screen (booooooo!), the intro begins with a beautiful, ominous (and, until you beat the game, slightly confusing) hand-drawn sequence that highlights the greater emphasis on plot this installment brings. It sets the tone, guys! Then explodes into a fast-paced game footage highlight real showing off so many of the new features in such a short amount of time. Honestly, I love it. Really effective. This then fades into a title screen that has an actually-decent 3D model and yet again another decent arrangement of the main theme (seriously, why was it so difficult on the GBA?). Very good indeed.
Because this is NeoGAF I'm now going to have to rank them.
Crystal > Red/Blue > Black/White > Platinum > FireRed/LeafGreen > Ruby/Sapphire > HeartGold/SoulSilver > Diamond/Pearl > Emerald > Gold/Silver >>>>>>> Yellow
However, if I get to split the Ruby/Sapphire intro in half, the first half is the best overall and the second half would come after FireRed/LeafGreen. I'm not allowed to do this however because it's about how the intro and title screen work together to really set the tone.
Now feel free to let me know you've already all discussed this and I just wasted half an hour typing that all up.
Red/Blue - I try very hard not to let nostalgia cloud my judgement here, but I think in terms of showing exactly what Pokémon is about and setting the mood, the original Red and Blue intro is pitch-perfect. When it then blends into the title screen and dat music starts up, you know you're heading out on a grand adventure. For bonus points, the anime had a great recreation of it that made the show seem so coooooool.
Yellow - No. Moving on...
Gold/Silver - Never liked it. While the very first time you fired it up it had a cool "oh man it looks like the cartoon!" vibe, the entire thing is an unfocused mess, with no sense of continuity in the visuals or the music. Actually quite a shame because I think that first shot with the Shellders at the bottom of the ocean slowly panning up is really cool. And I really have to challenge their choice of Pokémon to feature. Apart from the (brief) appearance of the three starters, they're all gen 1. I mean, why have Charizard as you epic title fade shot? Makes no damn sense.
However, the title screens are actually much better than gen I. They look gorgeous, even now. Wonderful sense of intelligent colour design about them, and the take on the main theme is nice. Unfortunately, as it doesn't mesh with the intro at all I just cannot give praise to Gold and Silver for this.
Crystal - oh my god that ditto turned into the GameFreak logo did you see that shit? And wonderful, wonderful stuff overall. Features only gen II Pokémon (wisely including a Pichu to replace Pikachu) and sets an ominous tone, hinting at what the story will be. It completely blows the Gold/Silver effort out of the water. Absolutely love it. I'm sure if I'd played this one back in the day I would have been all :O That title screen is also another really good take on the main theme. I actually think both the Gold and Silver title screens are better than the Crystal one, but as it's about how both the intro and title work together, Crystal is obviously the clear winner there.
Ruby/Sapphire - Stunning. Absolutely stunning. The dew drops on the leaves, slow pan up to a mysterious flying Pokémon zooming into the horizon, followed by an exciting bicycle chase (looks better in Ruby with the mountains in the background, btw. Sapphire's sea background is a bit boring). Just this single sequence is probably one of the best things to ever be in a Pokémon game. Which is why it is so disappointing when it suddenly shifts to a very lazy Pokémon battle animation. The Red/Blue intro on the archaic gameboy looked better than what was achieved here. And after G/S/C's beautifully animated titles, the title screen here is just lazy. It's not even that great an arrangement of the main theme, either. What a waste.
Emerald - So take the elegant first half of the Ruby/Sapphire intro and throw a bunch of shit on top of it. GameFreak logo, now in letter-by-letter TRANSITION-O-VISION (omg!), that cycling intro now with four Pokémon fighting for screen time (so fly!), replace that lackluster, poorly-animated battle with a lackluster-poorly animated montage of the three story legendaries (so hype!), cap it all off with another really lazy title screen (stretch that dollar!) and you have Pokémon Emerald's intro!
FireRed/LeafGreen - Really hard to judge this one, to be honest. On the one hand, it's a good update to the classic intro, on the other hand, it's nowhere near as good as the first half of the Ruby/Sapphire intro and just seems a little lazy, all in all. Also, what's with the forest setting? For some reason I don't think it meshes with gengar at all. I mean, it looks nice and all but given the hardware I think they could have done more whilst still staying true to the original, minimalist intro, you know? On the upside, the title screen is a great improvement over Ruby/Sapphire, yet still lacks of the beauty of G/S/C. Also not a fan of the main theme arrangement here, either. So really I'd call this one adequate.
Diamond/Pearl - Okay, that GameFreak logo? Wonderful. Sets the perfect tone for "Pokémon just hit the DS!". Then it just goes into a weak-ass montage, the only purpose of which seems to be "it looks just the same! But now in 3D! Isn't that just swell, guys?" before doing a really lazy walking animation with the boy and girl trainers with the starters. Like, if you're not going to bother to animate the thing properly, why even bother? Then, shot of A MOUNTAIN that looks scary but has zero context before fading into a title screen is actually quite a bit better than the R/S/E ones. I like the title theme, too. I mean, I get the impression they were going for this really ominous feel about the whole thing but like with Gold and Silver they failed by having an intro that was all over the place in terms of audio and visuals. The use of dual screen was also really lazy. Just a static logo up top? Why even bother? Weak overall.
Platinum - "Take what we did with Diamon and Pearl and make it good" is the brief I imagine the intro guys were handed this time around. The environment montage is kept brief, with some characters haphazardly thrown on top, but when we get to the trainers split across the two screens, both running, with the suggestion they're about to battle... my, it just looks so exciting, doesn't it? And instead of ominous scary mountain with zero context, we get an ominous man we can at least presume is the bad guy. People around these parts say Platinum is the only way to play gen IV. Judging by the intro screen, they may be right. Anyway, overall quite strong.
HeartGold/SuperiorSilver - If you're going to do an all-over-the-place intro like with Gold and Silver, I think what HG/SS does is probably the only way you could do it and make it work. It's not brilliant, but it does the job it's supposed to. The environment montage is thankfully a lot quicker paced that it was in D/P/Pt, and the 2D art is vibrant. There's a severe lack of 2D animation, though, with the first half of R/S's intro still putting the rest of the series to shame. But then we get to the title screen, and I gotta say it is ugly. I hate those 3D models of Lugia and Ho-Oh. They look so amateur. This is counter-balanced by it having the first decent arrangement of the main theme since the GBC days. So, uh, I dunno. Bit of a mixed bag this one, really. Decent, not special.
Black/White - I think in many ways we could say that B/W was - well, not a reboot - but definitely a conscious 'new beginning' of the Pokémon series, and I really think this intro captures it. Ignoring how it's entirely confined to one screen (booooooo!), the intro begins with a beautiful, ominous (and, until you beat the game, slightly confusing) hand-drawn sequence that highlights the greater emphasis on plot this installment brings. It sets the tone, guys! Then explodes into a fast-paced game footage highlight real showing off so many of the new features in such a short amount of time. Honestly, I love it. Really effective. This then fades into a title screen that has an actually-decent 3D model and yet again another decent arrangement of the main theme (seriously, why was it so difficult on the GBA?). Very good indeed.
Because this is NeoGAF I'm now going to have to rank them.
Crystal > Red/Blue > Black/White > Platinum > FireRed/LeafGreen > Ruby/Sapphire > HeartGold/SoulSilver > Diamond/Pearl > Emerald > Gold/Silver >>>>>>> Yellow
However, if I get to split the Ruby/Sapphire intro in half, the first half is the best overall and the second half would come after FireRed/LeafGreen. I'm not allowed to do this however because it's about how the intro and title screen work together to really set the tone.
Now feel free to let me know you've already all discussed this and I just wasted half an hour typing that all up.
Put it on SynIRC and I will add it to my autojoin with the other 15 Pokemon channels I'm on.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
The intro movies are almost universally terrible.
They're mostly average or worse, I'll agree, but a few are real standouts.
But then you'll start bringing your Smogen rules discussion in there!
Professor Beef
Banned
But... but... I saw you there!
Aren't you a moderator or something there? :O
eh, intro movies are all not that great. R/B > R/S/E > all others (since none of the others really got me)
Holy shit, just saw this in the '' cute characters '' thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-ZWYxJ6OdU
lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-ZWYxJ6OdU
lol
If you're going to bitch, you need details. Juicy details.
Ugh, it's internet elitism at it's finest. They have like, five or six members that have been there forever that seem to be everywhere all the time. These guys treat everybody like trash and act like they own the place. What bugs me is that while they're being dicks, they're being snooty about it too. It wouldn't bug me so much if they were just like "lolz your stupid, get out". No, they use big words and have the most undeserving sense of entitlement I've ever seen on the internet. Fuck. That. Place.
Wow, I ranted. I guess it's obvious I've been burned there a couple of times, lol. I guess I went back for the first time in a long time and forgot just how shitty it was.
Wow, I ranted. I guess it's obvious I've been burned there a couple of times, lol. I guess I went back for the first time in a long time and forgot just how shitty it was.
Take Me Out not enough for you anymore?
It's never enough, Wiseblade. I mean, I stopped watching the UK Jeremy Kyle show and started on Jeremy Kyle USA because it's even more ridiculous.
The first episode I watched involved someone's son being shot dead in a dispute. It's off the fucking hook.
They don't quite give the same "at least I'm not you!" dole-scum vibe that the UK bunch do, though, so I don't think my watching Jeremy Kyle USA will be a long-term thing.
Pokémon has been mentioned on Jeremy Kyle once though so it's fair game.
That'll be the "I can't understand a word they're saying thus I don't know if they're acting good or not" effect, then.
I don't think it's that bad now. Battle Frontier and DP made my ears bleed, but with Brock gone, Ash improved and Meowth showing up far less frequently it's just about watchable.
Absolutely.
.....works for me lol
if by VA you intend voice acting then... well it is.
Guys, the English Shenmue VA was terrible, yes, but the Japanese was worse. You just gotta listen to it to notice.
I mean, even Yu Suzuki himself said he much preferred the English VA because it sounded like actual acting. Let that sink in for a moment for how terrible that makes the Japanese. It's seriously Z-grade anime stuff.
I mean, even Yu Suzuki himself said he much preferred the English VA because it sounded like actual acting. Let that sink in for a moment for how terrible that makes the Japanese. It's seriously Z-grade anime stuff.