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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
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Royal_Flush
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I don't have a problem with looking at interactions. I think they are an important tool for finding Scum. As are posts in which people condens their thoughts about certain people (also called "reads-list" or "top-Town/top-Scum" lists. Why are you completely dismissing the value of the latter?
Yes. Please point me to where I did say otherwise. However, I think that doing nothing but shitposting all day is even more odd. Do you disagree here?
Possible follow-up questions include, but are not limited to
- "Why Bronx-man instead of other inactives?"
- "Did you not have a real Scum read?"
- "Why did you even place your original vote on Bronx to begin with if you didn't want it to go through? RNG? Prod?"
Answers that look like Scum/Scum interactions or someone asking questions he isn't really troubled with include, but are not limited to
- "Fair enough, given the circumstances."
No, I'm serious, what did you think I implied with that? Because I think you think something else than I think.
You mean that nonsensical Charizard discussion and that very very safe answer? I tend to ignore fluff unless there is little other than fluff.
Because with throwing shade you're trying to invalidate points made against you not by answering to them but by saying "I don't accept this point being made by you, because you did x". As long as you're answering (as it was the case for the most part of the first post) that's ok, it starts getting suspicious if the invalidating the person who asks the question replaces an answer.
Sophia asked if I Town-read Topo now. Answer "no". Very likely follow-up: "so who is your Top-Scum now that Topo isn't anymore?". If that's your definition of deflection we seem to have different interpretations of the term.
I'll admit I've been slacking on Ferret. But I only have so much time (Should've been in bed 45 minutes ago actually) and I spent a good chunk of my Gafia-time yesterday doing the Verelios post.
Royal_Flush
Member
What do you want to know?
General impression: At times she seems a bit afraid of doing her own thing or bows with the flow (that dual Topo vote together with me, now has a vote on me despite her gut reading me as Town...) I think there might be something about the doublevote she isn't telling us or that really was just very reckless play. Makes useful posts. Most of the common points against her are not very damning in my eyes. Do not lynch until she makes a decent Scum slip or we're close-ish to lylo, then re-evaluate (if still alive).
Forgot about your defense of her >_<
I just wanna talk about anybody but Verelios with you. Stanley?
Maybe tomorrow. I'll try to force myself to read your posts more indepth tonight.
I'm going to split my replies into two posts.
Your post could have been construed in two ways, I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt BECAUSE I couldn't be sure which way it was. Either way, it didn't look good at the moment you posted, that's suspicion, not a scumtell. This conversation only continued because you haven't given a straight answer on why you posted directly after Melon called you out (I'm guessing you'll say coincidence) and your belief I have some agenda against you, that's being overly defensive. As for not giving straight reads, okay? Am I supposed to bang on desks and go 'SCUM!'? I obviously have people I'm less than pleased with (*hint, emphasis mu) but you can tell from my posts.
Okay, now Royal time
That would be pretty scummy yes, taking a reactionary stance.
If I attributed to Melon's post a percentage of the reason I decided to post at that moment, at what percentage would you say my decision to post then was scummy? 1%, 25%?
I'm confused. I made an observation, the way you posted can only be attributed to binary reactions: You just decided to post then or you posted because of Melon's post directly above yours. Is there any other reason? And no, you didn't give me a reason, you just became defensive about why I made that observation.
Did you ask that in prior posts? Because no, I wouldn't have minded at all if you posted before Melon since it wouldn't have stuck out. That makes no sense. My intial post is commenting on the strangeness of you posting only after Melon mentioned you.
Your post could have been construed in two ways, I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt BECAUSE I couldn't be sure which way it was. Either way, it didn't look good at the moment you posted, that's suspicion, not a scumtell. This conversation only continued because you haven't given a straight answer on why you posted directly after Melon called you out (I'm guessing you'll say coincidence) and your belief I have some agenda against you, that's being overly defensive. As for not giving straight reads, okay? Am I supposed to bang on desks and go 'SCUM!'? I obviously have people I'm less than pleased with (*hint, emphasis mu) but you can tell from my posts.
Okay, now Royal time
Blargobot's almost ready for production.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Verelios I don't think you understood Fireblend's question. So I'll ask. Why is it a bad look for Fireblend, but not for me when I posted right after Fireblend and was also mentioned in Melon's post?
I'm not dismissing them, all I said was that I don't like to make scum/town lists that early. Do you want to see mine that badly? You're about where you'd expect.
I agree, you should probably fix that habit. What problems did you have with my post then?
Now you're being disingenuous. He already went through those questions, which is why I'm wondering if you went back to look.
It's day 1. Anything a player said can be reasonable when given the circumstance, not to mention once can be accidental, but when it happens twice that's suspicious. Am I supposed to be witch hunting them at this point when what they did could be accidental and they gave an...explanation(I guess)?
How many times am I going to give side eye today, just say what you meant then instead of dancing around.
Convenient
Shade is very different from reasoning. If all I was doing was throwing shade I'm positive somebody else would've latched on by now. Stop trying to discredit my argument with saying it's shade, separate the two.
No, I presume the term deflection we mean is the same, unless you mean it literally.
Oho, I'm honored
okay i had food so now i'm good and slightly more coherent.
-But getting rid of Salva over Royal means Royal stays alive for another Day ( and Night ) phase. So while it might not be your intention, wanting to go after Salva inadvertently leaves Royal alive.
-Okay, thank you.
-Sooo I think I get what you mean now. You would rather get rid of Salva but Royal is the more beneficial lynch in your eyes??? I think.
Apologies for asking you more about this in circles, I'm just trying to understand what you're going for here.
I don't think that is what Sophia is asking.
If you are being completely honest here then why did you not follow up on Topo? That's what I interpreted Sophia's question as because it's in response to you comment that you had not noticed any change between Day 1 Topo and Day 2 Topo. Seeing as you had Topo as your Top Scum on Day 1, there is a disconnect here since you claim he has not changed but at the same time you haven't done much in terms of engaging him this Day phase.
GAF Mafia |OT7| Because I think you think something else than I think.
-But getting rid of Salva over Royal means Royal stays alive for another Day ( and Night ) phase. So while it might not be your intention, wanting to go after Salva inadvertently leaves Royal alive.
-Okay, thank you.
-Sooo I think I get what you mean now. You would rather get rid of Salva but Royal is the more beneficial lynch in your eyes??? I think.
Apologies for asking you more about this in circles, I'm just trying to understand what you're going for here.
I don't think that is what Sophia is asking.
If you are being completely honest here then why did you not follow up on Topo? That's what I interpreted Sophia's question as because it's in response to you comment that you had not noticed any change between Day 1 Topo and Day 2 Topo. Seeing as you had Topo as your Top Scum on Day 1, there is a disconnect here since you claim he has not changed but at the same time you haven't done much in terms of engaging him this Day phase.
GAF Mafia |OT7| Because I think you think something else than I think.
It stood out to me because he was the name on top of Melon's list and he was also directly below her post. I made the association in passing.
Just for easier viewing, this was my intial observation
melonrabbit
Member
I was listing people that hadn't posted or really engaged in the D2 discussion up until that point. I had Royal on the list but since he just posted before I got a chance to post I took him off.
As for you second point:
Unmasked Ferret
Member
- I guess in this scenario you could think of it that way yeah. I don't really want to go after Salva, and I probably won't vote Salva now, but if it the lynch was purely my decision and I had to choose between Salva, RF, and CM then yes I would go for Salva and keep RF (and CM) alive. If only because there would be potential for more info after another day and with others votes, and I don't feel that my gut reads justify lynching another person by my own decision.
- I wouldn't rather get rid of Salva, I can understand the reasons for a Salva lynch, I do think Royal is the more beneficial lynch in terms of info, but it would cost us his contribution.
That's kinda my whole problem is it comes down to would I rather go for the lynch that doesn't give as much info, but gets rid of dead weight and removes an unknown, or would I rather trust my gut and lynch the person that gives info but at the cost of contributions?
Basically as an individual I would take the easy, lazy, sorta safe kill because I don't know if I should trust my gut and I don't necessarily want to lose Royal over my gut yet. But I do think that Royal would be the better lynch for us as town.
Your fine, I like being asked questions, and if you don't understand something you should probably ask, but I'm worried that my answers don't make sense to others since explaining my thoughts tends to be weird.
That is the correct interpretation.
Do you still think he's scum then? If so, would you be willing to lynch him today? If no to either question, would you be willing to lynch?
melonrabbit
Member
Yes and yes.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
This day phase no. Day one she used it against Blarg, revealing the ability.
Ah, good, thank you.
Big "GOTCHA!" moment?
melonrabbit
Member
Had a bit of a crisis after getting home from work. Will be back tomorrow morning. I apologize.
melonrabbit
Member
Here's my vote, as it currently stands for D2.
VOTE: Royal_Flush
VOTE: Royal_Flush
I still don't quite understand the Flush votes. I'm not really town reading him, but his posts didn't stick out as being terribly different from the Flush I've seen before. Maybe a little less bite, but then that other game had town eating itself.
His weird defence of Sophia also seems odd if they are W/W. There's precedence of him defending scum as town like when he defended Worthy in Danny Phantom.
His weird defence of Sophia also seems odd if they are W/W. There's precedence of him defending scum as town like when he defended Worthy in Danny Phantom.
I must admit his defense is weird (Why would scum make that defense? As it would undoubtedly verify me as townie when he flips), and melon's straight vote on him is giving me pause. But I'm not changing it unless someone proposes a better lynch target and with reason.
Haven't really worked my way through them, but from my reading his Verelios interaction looks like solving. Solving I don't quite agree with, but it feels like that's just because we have a difference of opinion.
Maybe with kinda forced convolutions? Again Flush' way of writing can be a bit hyperbolic so it doesn't feel that out of the ordinary.
The elephant in the room is that Sophia's vote felt really opportunistic and the shift from town reading to scum reading Flush felt fake. I could see her bussing, but that felt like "Oh, didn't know how much town scum read him".
Maybe with kinda forced convolutions? Again Flush' way of writing can be a bit hyperbolic so it doesn't feel that out of the ordinary.
The elephant in the room is that Sophia's vote felt really opportunistic and the shift from town reading to scum reading Flush felt fake. I could see her bussing, but that felt like "Oh, didn't know how much town scum read him".
Honestly, the whole conversation of Verelios and Him seemed like a difference of opinions to me. It was snarky, but nothing particularly stood out that made me town read or scum read either of them off that.
I don't know what to think of Verelios, thinking about it.
You should've been town, then you could've found that lynch target >.<
Verelios came across as very direct IIRC. Got me feeling better about him.
Honestly, it feels like we aren't hearing from everyone still. I've already made commentary on TheGoddamn (and am considering a vote switch to him), and SalvaPot. There's also Blarg I need to re-read over. Roy seems agreeable a bit, but nothing stuck out too much when I read over stuff. I need to look at Dusk Soldier, and I'm town reading Ty4on right now. I feel a little bit better about El Topo, and Sawneeks is pretty townish. Melonrabbit I'm uncertain of but if Royal flipped scum I'd look more at her....
Lesee... Gorlak's been aggressive. Lone_Prodigy really hasn't been there (viable lynch too?) from what I can tell, but do need to re-read over. What about Ynnek? Splinter made a strong read of Royal, but obviously we'd need Royal to flip to see what that says about Splinter. I dunno about Nin, Ynnek or Stanley, and Christina Mackenzie was all over the play D1. And as the meme says, Always Be Lynching Fireblend!
Let me go read over people one by one. There's a lot of blind spots for me today, and I'm not playing at the top of my game.
Lesee... Gorlak's been aggressive. Lone_Prodigy really hasn't been there (viable lynch too?) from what I can tell, but do need to re-read over. What about Ynnek? Splinter made a strong read of Royal, but obviously we'd need Royal to flip to see what that says about Splinter. I dunno about Nin, Ynnek or Stanley, and Christina Mackenzie was all over the play D1. And as the meme says, Always Be Lynching Fireblend!
Let me go read over people one by one. There's a lot of blind spots for me today, and I'm not playing at the top of my game.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
I believe everyone as already posted at least once this day phase. SalvaPot was maybe the last person to do so.
We already did that Day 1, let's not go down that road again. I don't think we'd learn anything from lynching TheGoddamn. Unless there was something suspect Darryl did on Day 1.
Gorlak behaving as usual, Ynnek7 and StanleyPalmtree seem that was as well. I read Stanley as town.
Isn't this your final form? Doing the exact same thing as Werewolf 1 thereby creating confusion about your alignment? The ultimate WIFOM?
Christina Mackenzie
Member
I care.
About #259 I read it as the exact opposite. He was agreeing with Stanley and attacking nin1000 and myself.
In Werewolf 1 I had a literal panic attack due to social anxiety. Are you sure you want to go down that road? Think carefully.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Hey Stanley could you answer some questions for me when you have the time?
If your scum read on Bronx was based on his inactivity, why didn't you also list Salva on that top scum list during the first day?
Can you explain why you town read Melon, or is it more of a gut thing since you haven't been reading into her?
Were Verelios and Royal on your scum radar before or did something happen this day phase to bring them to your attention (I guess you said smaller they had scum vibes)? And are your feelings of Nin and Topo just left over from whatever reasons you had first day, or did they also do something new (please explain day one feelings to, I think I know but I'd rather be safe)
Since you've maybe had time to calm down how do you feel about CM now?
Dusk left you off the his Pokemon read list, didn't even assign you a random pokemon. How do you feel about that?
If your scum read on Bronx was based on his inactivity, why didn't you also list Salva on that top scum list during the first day?
Can you explain why you town read Melon, or is it more of a gut thing since you haven't been reading into her?
Were Verelios and Royal on your scum radar before or did something happen this day phase to bring them to your attention (I guess you said smaller they had scum vibes)? And are your feelings of Nin and Topo just left over from whatever reasons you had first day, or did they also do something new (please explain day one feelings to, I think I know but I'd rather be safe)
Since you've maybe had time to calm down how do you feel about CM now?
Dusk left you off the his Pokemon read list, didn't even assign you a random pokemon. How do you feel about that?
Christina Mackenzie
Member
In Werewolf 1 I had a literal panic attack due to social anxiety. Are you sure you want to go down that road? Think carefully.
You do realize I'm the bigger robot?
Unmasked Ferret
Member
No it is not. Reading through all of your post now though, then CM's, then I need to go back and read Splinter and Sawneeks again, as well as a few others. So it's getting there.
Counter (just look for Burb's post)
(I can post this right?)
Double: Christina Mackenzie
Spare me. You're a terrible robot who has tried to spread FUD about me for almost this entire day phase and it makes up a significant fraction of your posts. Yet you're unwilling to place a vote on me.
Meta speculation into other games, random speculation about mechanics, subtly suggesting you're going to vote for me while not actually doing so. And now you're using my very first game as sarcasm. The whole works really.
So back up your stuff with a vote, or get melted down into the scrap metal that you are.
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sophia 1342
sophia 1342
Just got home and settled after my weekly D&D game, so time to get some posts in.
I want to say, throughout today, for all the people who felt that my vote on day one was suspicious Fireblend has pushed the hardest. For a while earlier, I was planning to place my vote on him just out of a bit of frustration.
Having time to think on it, though, I think that's a pretty townie thing you're doing. A lot of people have said my vote was suspicious, but you at least kept pushing after I gave my explanations.
So for now I'm reading Fireblend as town.
I want to say, throughout today, for all the people who felt that my vote on day one was suspicious Fireblend has pushed the hardest. For a while earlier, I was planning to place my vote on him just out of a bit of frustration.
Having time to think on it, though, I think that's a pretty townie thing you're doing. A lot of people have said my vote was suspicious, but you at least kept pushing after I gave my explanations.
So for now I'm reading Fireblend as town.
Okay, now I get it.
Thank you.
Considering these options who would you lynch today? Not on an individual basis but as the person you will most likely place a vote on this Day phase. You seem hesitant on Royal, which is why I am asking this question again.
No worries, Melon. c:
As I haven't played with Flush in quite a while this is the only game I really have anything to go off of in regards to reading him. I admit my Day 1 read of Flush is hazy at best and I plan to go back tonight and take a look at his posts once more. This Day phase it's been a combination of a few different factors but his 'Topo was the Top of my Scum List for Day 1 and he hasn't changed since then but I won't question him' is the standout to me. As was his Sophia defense which, considering he was aware he fell into a trap of defending Scum in a previous game, sent off different scum flags since he clearly said he shouldn't but defended her anyway.
I stated it earlier, but if Flush flips Scum then I don't think either Sophia or Verelios is Scum along with him. Considering his back-and-forth this Day phase with Verelios I doubt they are Scum Buddies just butting heads and with Sophia it's highly unlikely that he would openly defend a teammate that way. Unless that's the point?? But then we get into WIFOM territory. >.>;
It is fully possible that this is a Town!Flush unknowingly protecting a Scum!Sophia, however my current read points at Flush being the more suspect of the two.
Since you don't seem to be for Flush, who do you have your eyes on this Day phase Ty?
I don't think I've stated it quite yet but, to be honest, I feel the same. Watching the discussion between Royal and Verelios has made me feel better about the latter, not so great about the former. Hence my Royal vote as opposed to Verelios. I still scum read Verelios' actions from Day 1 but for this Day phase he has been putting in work: calling out people on questions, getting people to speak up on different subjects, and generally asking questions I would have asked myself lol. Either he is Scum and is hauling ass to get Town Read ( in which case, I applaud the commitment ) or I was wrong on my Day 1 read and he is now finally coming out of his shell.
Town is not something I would put Verelios in quite yet ( there are a couple things I don't like from his Royal discussions ) but he has fallen from the Top of my Scum list to the mid-low range.
Hmmm.
You have a lot of these judgmental animals, huh.
please continue, they are very amusing.
You have a lot of these judgmental animals, huh.
please continue, they are very amusing.