Hey, I could still be wrong. Maybe my thought process is as malleable as he suggested, lol.
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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
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Hey, I could still be wrong. Maybe my thought process is as malleable as he suggested, lol.
Royal Flush Round-Up
All posts are in chronological order from Day 1. This is not all of Flush's posts, just the ones I wished to comment on.
His first post of the game. I pointed out the bold at the time but it is still odd to me and sticks out. It reads like 'don't be surprised if I'm a null-read for a bit, k?' and brushes it off like that's something people shouldn't worry about if it happens. Flush seems to do that a lot actually, posting 'disclaimers' every now and again to preface his opinions.
Do note that "Interesting or "easy target"-scummy?" was directed at Gorlak, who he had to prod to get to answer that question. Something I wanted to bring up since Gorlak is a Town read for me but his quiet nature this Day has been noted.
Bolded in question seems odd given Flush's constant protection of Sophia if she is capable of protecting herself. Scum protecting Scum is still so blatant I don't quite believe it but...it gives me conflicting feelings. Flush clearly goes against his own reasoning for not answering for other players, but why Sophia in particular?? Hmmmm.
First instance of Topo 'nervousness'.
Thinks Salva is Town due to his general attitude towards the game itself. Claims it could be WIFOM.
Despite his earlier read of Town Reading Salva, he is open to lynching him just to get rid of 'dead weight' if no other Scum candidates pop up.
Also more disclaimer, this time in regards to Salva.
Questions Gorlak for his 'unexplained vote'.
And here we have our 'Topo is my strongest scum read' post.
Calls out Blarg that, while his Calvin & Hobbes list is fun, it provides little to nothing in terms of actual reads.
Also calls out Ferret and Salva to come forward more and post more substantial things.
Despite Topo being his #TopScumRead he doesn't actually vote there until Sophia does here where she calls him out and asks if he will back up his read. As you can see above, he answers the call and votes for Topo.
What I'm noticing the most here is that Sophia and Flush are joined in some way even from the start. 'Sophia can take care of herself' but then Flush goes and answers questions in her place. Flush only votes Topo when Sophia questions him and he answers. Sophia even mentions at Day End that she was following Flush's suggestion, which is something I still find odd in itself.
Suggests they should vote out Mr. Dead-Weight Salva. I'm assuming, Flush, that you would have moved to Salva if Darryl had agreed? If so, why do that than go after your #TopScum?
Note, he defends Darryl's 'No Lynch' vote in the the bolded above. Keep this in mind for the following quote.
'No novelty here' is in regards to Darryl's 'No Lynch' vote which Flush calls relatively normal and is a pretty Darryl thing to do. He then follows it up with the bolded above. Flush, since 'no lynch' was a very Darryl thing to do despite it being garbage did that affect your read on him at all? Salva was also on the 'No Lynch' train and was the only one to stay, although your thoughts on him don't seem to have changed much.
Conclusion: My vote stays, at least for now. I wish to see more from Flush come the morning and gauge his responses from there. As of right now though he is who I feel like we should lynch. Not only do I feel he is Scum but his flip would help me develop reads on numerous others given who he has talked to. Namely Sophia, Topo, Verelios, TheG, and slightly Gorlak as well.
However, my hesitations still reside with Sophia and Verelios and also Nin/TheG/Salva who are doing nothing more than coasting as of right now. After sleeping on my thoughts and letting them sit I'll come back in the morning and give my final verdict. Especially considering the 2 others I scum read also jumped on Flush. >.>;
either way, good night everyone.
All posts are in chronological order from Day 1. This is not all of Flush's posts, just the ones I wished to comment on.
His first post of the game. I pointed out the bold at the time but it is still odd to me and sticks out. It reads like 'don't be surprised if I'm a null-read for a bit, k?' and brushes it off like that's something people shouldn't worry about if it happens. Flush seems to do that a lot actually, posting 'disclaimers' every now and again to preface his opinions.
Do note that "Interesting or "easy target"-scummy?" was directed at Gorlak, who he had to prod to get to answer that question. Something I wanted to bring up since Gorlak is a Town read for me but his quiet nature this Day has been noted.
I'm very glad we're shifting away from this Darryl/Ty4on/Sophia stuff because from what I've read they can handle that on their own (without interference) just fine and nothing about the conversation screams "Scum!" in the slightest. I'm not saying they're necessarily Town (though I think Darryl/Ty4on as WW is very unlikely at this point) but I'm not willing to vote on any of them based on what they've shown so far.
Much more interesting I find topo's behavior. Seems kind of nervous.
Or the fact that L_P actually isn't really coasting. Whatever that means.
Or SalvaPot not giving a single shit. I'm not sure if I've actually seen him play and I may be WIFOM'ing myself here but that pushes him towards the Town camp in my book.
Why do you post this and then don't make a follow-up?
¯\_(ツ_/¯ Just stating facts about previous games here. Another fact: I never got NK'd so far.
Bolded in question seems odd given Flush's constant protection of Sophia if she is capable of protecting herself. Scum protecting Scum is still so blatant I don't quite believe it but...it gives me conflicting feelings. Flush clearly goes against his own reasoning for not answering for other players, but why Sophia in particular?? Hmmmm.
First instance of Topo 'nervousness'.
Thinks Salva is Town due to his general attitude towards the game itself. Claims it could be WIFOM.
Despite his earlier read of Town Reading Salva, he is open to lynching him just to get rid of 'dead weight' if no other Scum candidates pop up.
Also more disclaimer, this time in regards to Salva.
Questions Gorlak for his 'unexplained vote'.
And people are complaining I make long posts
Anyway, Topo is by far my strongest scum read so far. Seems very thin-skinned and has been quiet since yesterday. Waiting for the storm to calm down? Or just busy?
As much as I like Calvin&Hobbes and do appreciate Blarg actually does something remotely useful, the reads that can be filtered from those strips are basic at best and with some of them I have no clue what they are supposed to mean (e.g. melonrabbit's or mine)
As Darryl is harping on Fireblend already, I will point to the other person that stood out to me for just posting inconsequential things this phase (while not just shitposting): Unmasked Ferret.
Speaking of shitposting: Salva, I hope you will join us in this game soon.
It was to give context to the quote from gorlak directly above (the post sophia has quoted at the end of her last post 497) where he references people pointing out a "triangle. Afaik you three were the only people who explicitly mentioned that triangle up to that point.
And here we have our 'Topo is my strongest scum read' post.
Calls out Blarg that, while his Calvin & Hobbes list is fun, it provides little to nothing in terms of actual reads.
Also calls out Ferret and Salva to come forward more and post more substantial things.
Despite Topo being his #TopScumRead he doesn't actually vote there until Sophia does here where she calls him out and asks if he will back up his read. As you can see above, he answers the call and votes for Topo.
What I'm noticing the most here is that Sophia and Flush are joined in some way even from the start. 'Sophia can take care of herself' but then Flush goes and answers questions in her place. Flush only votes Topo when Sophia questions him and he answers. Sophia even mentions at Day End that she was following Flush's suggestion, which is something I still find odd in itself.
Suggests they should vote out Mr. Dead-Weight Salva. I'm assuming, Flush, that you would have moved to Salva if Darryl had agreed? If so, why do that than go after your #TopScum?
Note, he defends Darryl's 'No Lynch' vote in the the bolded above. Keep this in mind for the following quote.
'No novelty here' is in regards to Darryl's 'No Lynch' vote which Flush calls relatively normal and is a pretty Darryl thing to do. He then follows it up with the bolded above. Flush, since 'no lynch' was a very Darryl thing to do despite it being garbage did that affect your read on him at all? Salva was also on the 'No Lynch' train and was the only one to stay, although your thoughts on him don't seem to have changed much.
Conclusion: My vote stays, at least for now. I wish to see more from Flush come the morning and gauge his responses from there. As of right now though he is who I feel like we should lynch. Not only do I feel he is Scum but his flip would help me develop reads on numerous others given who he has talked to. Namely Sophia, Topo, Verelios, TheG, and slightly Gorlak as well.
However, my hesitations still reside with Sophia and Verelios and also Nin/TheG/Salva who are doing nothing more than coasting as of right now. After sleeping on my thoughts and letting them sit I'll come back in the morning and give my final verdict. Especially considering the 2 others I scum read also jumped on Flush. >.>;
either way, good night everyone.
I'm a bit behind, so I'll be responding to stuff as I catch up, apologies if I'm retreading old ground.
I'd say Darryl is more than capable of playing a consistent day 1 regardless of alignment - see Disney for example. It's why I didn't particularly townread him despite him not doing anything suspicious.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
El Topo I read as town, we both have similar thoughts. nin1000 feels slightly scummy but not by much.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
yeah because your such a riot yourself m8.
oh goody, questions.
1. when making that scum list salva actually completely slipped my mind.
2. more of a gut thing, everything iv read from her feels like like at least decent contributions, no scummy vibes at all. its not the strongest of town reads, but she really isnt on my radar and im still very curious as to why exactly she is for so many others.
3. Verelios and Royal are new to the scum vibe party, they joined upon my re-evaluating how i felt about everyone just yesterday. right now i cant elaborate much on this as i havnt been paying a great deal of attention to them (which could likely be the cause of these vibes in the first place. maybe. stay tuned).
Nin and Topo however continue to give the same feelings i had day 1, more so if anything.
after this post i'll be finally be going back and looking more into these crazy characters, so hopefully ill soon be able to give something actually noteworthy on my feelings about them.
4. not good, not good at all.
5. i feel left out and discriminated against! HOW DARE HE!
but really i only feel slightly disappointed that i missed out on a chance to make more stupid jokes.
if he wants to take a shot at it let it be known that my favorite Pokemon is the magnificent Dragonair.
Maybe this is resolved now (still catching up) but fwiw I understood what Ferret meant. Basically if it was his choice alone he'd play it safe and lynch Salva - Salva being scummy/null and otherwise "dead weight", whereas Flush being a hard read for him similar to how I can't read Sophia. If it was a public vote tied between null Salva and scummy Flush then he's be more confident in his scumread of Flush (since others agree enough to vote for him over the "dead weight").
I quite like this reasoning in fact. It looks inconsistent which I think scum would try to avoid, but at the same time the logic is reasonable (I'd probably do the same in a nin/Sophia situation).
Why do you struggle to see Sophia as scum?
It's not so much the reason for your unvote I don't like*, it's that the unvote is so pointless/bad that no reasoning would make me feel good about. The only counterargument I have is "why would scum do this?", and I'm not a fan of giving stupid shit a free pass based on that logic (mostly because WIFOM).
*although it's also true that I don't like the reasoning. If you're unsure of the vote status you don't move and let other people take care of it. Throwing an unexpected unvote into the mix doesn't help anyone. I also don't really understand being so unsure of the vote but somehow knowing that unvoting wouldn't cause a tie (as you claim).
Can you give examples of where you think Verelios has done this?
Nah, your vote on CM is just confusing ATM.
The scummy thing was your read of Flush didn't seem to fit a vote. You read more as someone reworking their read to fit a vote.
Bloodborne on one of the scum teams (healing church).
Minor point, but I don't like this comment. It feels weird to specifically talk about defending scum as town, since as town he wouldn't know he's defending scum, it's not a conscious decision to do so. It's fair to point to precedence of him defending someone as town, but that's obviously a much weaker link, so it feels like mentioning defending scum specifically is just a way to bolster your argument.
Also melon's vote was late and after at least 2 people (you and I) talked about a lack of interaction between her and Flush. I'll give her some benefit of the doubt (as she claims to have been unavailable) but I'm also not going to assume she would have voted unprompted.
Yeah this has been pretty much my read of that whole thing as well.
Defending controversial figures I guess.
Do you remember when he last defended scum as town? I think there's more to this.
(I think I forgot to respond to this post before, only remembered when CM quoted it).
Your notes where a list of observations with no analysis or reactions. I meant to go back and see if you where one of the people who criticised nin for doing that (and nin's notes had at least some commentary to them).
It feels a bit self conscious here so I wanna compare it to older games.
I'm also starting to wonder if Sophia/Flush could be W/W. After Flush' big posts back on page 12 (100) there really isn't much discussion between the two despite both being so active and Sophia emphasizing in her posts trying to read Flush.
What would you say separates your town and scum game?
This is some best of both world's bs
Probably teammates so I can play safe
What do you mean by playing safe?
Ah thanks. You were standing out way more than I remembered you doing before, but I only read D1 of Bloodborne so that explains it, I thought you had been in more games than that.
Staying in the back. Basically Salva with the knowledge I get to kill someone at night.
Royal_Flush
Member
I don't think I'll be able to post that much today. I think I can make it back to an internet capable device half an hour before the deadline.
You know what, I'm tired of this particular dance... What I got from our exchange is that you're avoiding anything that even has a slight chance of being a trap.
@Splinter (sorry, don't have the quote at hand):
Re: Stan (question from ty4on): I don't really have the time right now for a deeper look, but nothing unusual in particular that I remember standing out.
Oh, please don't be.
I think you thought I implied you were Scum when all I implied was that I'm Town trying to figure out your alignment. One could interpret that as a minor scummy overreaction. I'm sure you'll give your honest opinion about what you actually thought I implied there now.
You know what, I'm tired of this particular dance... What I got from our exchange is that you're avoiding anything that even has a slight chance of being a trap.
I already had an exchange with Topo at the end of D1. Since then not many Scummy things came from him. Plus I was more curious about Verelios.
@Splinter (sorry, don't have the quote at hand):
Re: Stan (question from ty4on): I don't really have the time right now for a deeper look, but nothing unusual in particular that I remember standing out.
Oh that first example is easily the worst post Verelios has made. His general refusal to give scum reads is garbage, and in that post he goes slightly further by misrepresenting your position.
The second one though seems fair enough. Sarcastic response to a sarcastic question.
Yeah, you're probably right on that one.
melonrabbit
Member
Also melon's vote was late and after at least 2 people (you and I) talked about a lack of interaction between her and Flush. I'll give her some benefit of the doubt (as she claims to have been unavailable) but I'm also not going to assume she would have voted unprompted.
You both seemed to have missed that I talked about Royal being scum before you both brought it up. He was going to be my vote for the day regardless.
melonrabbit
Member
Also, did V ever post his reads or is he still tunneling on Fire?
After a light read of the middle of Bloodborne I noticed Verelios was surprisingly aggressive there. Gonna read D1 soon, but anyone else remember how he was there?
I haven't voiced it because it wasn't scummy per say (gonna voice it bow to save my scum buddy Flush ^_^), but Gorlak is more aggressive than what I remember him being as town. Also more tunneling and less uncertain.
I haven't voiced it because it wasn't scummy per say (gonna voice it bow to save my scum buddy Flush ^_^), but Gorlak is more aggressive than what I remember him being as town. Also more tunneling and less uncertain.
Royal_Flush
Member
Just in case I don't get back in time and get lynched:
- If Sophia today again overrides her double vote with a normal vote she's very likely neutral with a win condition that involves the double vote.
- Look not at the people that started harping at me but the people who mention they would vote for me once momentum began to form but didn't commit.
- Don't spare the coasters. That's what cost us Danny Phantom.
All people that currently have votes except Sophia (and myself) are at least ok choices for a lynch.
vote: SalvaPot
You all know that needs to be done at some point.
I also really would want to vote Verelios. I have the feeling he's very interested in avoiding traps and not looking Scummy. But he engages with people and calls them out. That's actually the only thing that gives me a pause here.
- If Sophia today again overrides her double vote with a normal vote she's very likely neutral with a win condition that involves the double vote.
- Look not at the people that started harping at me but the people who mention they would vote for me once momentum began to form but didn't commit.
- Don't spare the coasters. That's what cost us Danny Phantom.
All people that currently have votes except Sophia (and myself) are at least ok choices for a lynch.
vote: SalvaPot
You all know that needs to be done at some point.
I also really would want to vote Verelios. I have the feeling he's very interested in avoiding traps and not looking Scummy. But he engages with people and calls them out. That's actually the only thing that gives me a pause here.
Verelios totally suggested randomizing the lynch a few posts earlier:
Hello verelios. Can you elaborate on this comment once more?
It Struck me beacuse in my mind salva had been doing the exact opposite. Writing bs and fluff posts until he came to his senses and Made a pretty good Post (Of course he repated something that hasld been alreqdy said, but he put hia Take on things ). You called him for that Post and called it fluff. I mean How can you say that his previous posts where not bs / fluff while saxijg that the above is.
Lol I have to disagree. Nothing is too aggressive or tunneling for town-Gorlak
What conclusions are you drawing from this though? He was scum in that game, and we have no past games where he was town to compare to?
Hey nin can you do more of those long notes/read posts you were doing earlier? I don't mind who you look at but someone you haven't done yet
Lol I have to disagree. Nothing is too aggressive or tunneling for town-Gorlak
Maybe my sample size was too small. I went over LB when Kark/Zipped claimed and it stood out to me how uncertain Gorlak was at times. IIRC he voted both Kark/Zipped and Timeflux that day before turboing Blawl.
That it doesn't terribly different from this game and that I need to take a deeper look.
Sure. I got some complaints about that on D1 for not doing something so I stopped and tried to do the react player.
I will do so Earl enough before the day ends. Bate with me .
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
so what's happening