melonrabbit
Member
Oh. Sawneeks. I did have a question for you. When did and in what order did you and CM join the G's chat? I'm sorry if you previously said my brain is a little foggy at the moment.
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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
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btw, thank you for the voting clarification Splinter. I don't have any more question for you regarding votes at the moment. c:
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No, I suppose not. I'm just frustrated at the amount of people going 'well maaaaaaybe it's this person' and then going nowhere with it. The first instance was with numerous people and Melon and now I'm seeing a lot of the same here. People need to start putting their foot forward and it's annoying that so many people aren't.
Hmm. If that's the case do you think Scum tried to kill you or the Vig/SK tried to kill you?
Could you elaborate on why, please?
Blarg could always just be playing reverse psychology. Ask for the Vig when he is the Vig and knows no one will answer so it gets suspicion away from him.
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No, I suppose not. I'm just frustrated at the amount of people going 'well maaaaaaybe it's this person' and then going nowhere with it. The first instance was with numerous people and Melon and now I'm seeing a lot of the same here. People need to start putting their foot forward and it's annoying that so many people aren't.
Hmm. If that's the case do you think Scum tried to kill you or the Vig/SK tried to kill you?
Could you elaborate on why, please?
Blarg could always just be playing reverse psychology. Ask for the Vig when he is the Vig and knows no one will answer so it gets suspicion away from him.
CM was already in the chat when I got caught on Night 2. So CM would have been caught on Night 1 by Ty, I was caught the following Night phase.
melonrabbit
Member
Thanks for this. I appreciate the work you do for town.
As I said earlier; voting records of Dusk, Melon, and Blarg.
Day 1
Combination between a gut read 'Sophia's agressive play isn't sitting well with me' and a weak flavor reason of a Double vote falling into the 'Prepare for Trouble, make it Double' Team Rocket motto. Seems to be mostly reliant on flavor, though. A weak vote imo
Actually thank you Melon for including the links to the rest of your massive reads list in this post. Made it way easier to go back and find you specific Topo read. o:
The read can be found on Part 1 but this is it: "Coast city until getting called out by LP and backed up by Sophia. Topo was in favor of quantity over quality which is not a good look and seemed immediately heated. Attempt to turn the whole argument around and get everyone looking at Sophiawhich isnt the first time this has happened in this thread by others. Many people want us to look at Sophia. Scum. "
I have no issues with this post.
A vote due to 'reads' based on everyone's favorite Pokemon and nothing more. Dusk has gone on record saying he doesn't put much stock into Day 1 and his nothing vote here backs that up, at least. :/
Day 2
I feel like I've asked you for clarification on this vote before but I don't remember it. I also looked around this post to see if you explained it but could not find anything. Could you explain why you went with Royal over your other Top Scum reads from Day 1?
Hrm. More than his previous vote but I still want to know why CM felt 'more scummy' to you, at least enough to get you to vote for him.
Could you explain what you meant by the bolded? How is a brief scum read list and a vote 'really out there'?
Also I thought you didn't put much stock into Day 1?
Day 3 or the Day everyone decided to stop making big posts
Very OMGUS. Melon did explain later it was because of frustration.
Don't know quite what to make of it and I can't really place a definitive alignment on it.
Goes and trusts TheG's plan of 'let me catch one more person before I die' and moves his vote over to Ynnek. I don't think he ever explained the Ynnek vote either tbh
Yeah, that's it. I looked around this post as well for some more explanation on the vote itself but could find nothing. Please elaborate unless I missed it, in which case could you link it to me. Thank you.
Conclusion:
I slight Town Lean on Melon due to her early game votes and explanations. Activity and Mega-Posts have dropped off since then but I see that more as a Lost Townie than a Relaxed Scum play.
Dusk and Blarg are relatively equal in my mind when it comes to their votes. Both have a habit of either not explaining their vote or giving poor/nothing fluff reasons for why they put a vote there.
Day 1
Combination between a gut read 'Sophia's agressive play isn't sitting well with me' and a weak flavor reason of a Double vote falling into the 'Prepare for Trouble, make it Double' Team Rocket motto. Seems to be mostly reliant on flavor, though. A weak vote imo
Actually thank you Melon for including the links to the rest of your massive reads list in this post. Made it way easier to go back and find you specific Topo read. o:
The read can be found on Part 1 but this is it: "Coast city until getting called out by LP and backed up by Sophia. Topo was in favor of quantity over quality which is not a good look and seemed immediately heated. Attempt to turn the whole argument around and get everyone looking at Sophiawhich isnt the first time this has happened in this thread by others. Many people want us to look at Sophia. Scum. "
I have no issues with this post.
A vote due to 'reads' based on everyone's favorite Pokemon and nothing more. Dusk has gone on record saying he doesn't put much stock into Day 1 and his nothing vote here backs that up, at least. :/
Day 2
I feel like I've asked you for clarification on this vote before but I don't remember it. I also looked around this post to see if you explained it but could not find anything. Could you explain why you went with Royal over your other Top Scum reads from Day 1?
Hrm. More than his previous vote but I still want to know why CM felt 'more scummy' to you, at least enough to get you to vote for him.
Could you explain what you meant by the bolded? How is a brief scum read list and a vote 'really out there'?
Also I thought you didn't put much stock into Day 1?
Day 3 or the Day everyone decided to stop making big posts
Very OMGUS. Melon did explain later it was because of frustration.
Don't know quite what to make of it and I can't really place a definitive alignment on it.
Goes and trusts TheG's plan of 'let me catch one more person before I die' and moves his vote over to Ynnek. I don't think he ever explained the Ynnek vote either tbh
Yeah, that's it. I looked around this post as well for some more explanation on the vote itself but could find nothing. Please elaborate unless I missed it, in which case could you link it to me. Thank you.
Conclusion:
I slight Town Lean on Melon due to her early game votes and explanations. Activity and Mega-Posts have dropped off since then but I see that more as a Lost Townie than a Relaxed Scum play.
Dusk and Blarg are relatively equal in my mind when it comes to their votes. Both have a habit of either not explaining their vote or giving poor/nothing fluff reasons for why they put a vote there.
I'd guess the SK hit (I have a pretty ridiculous record for being killed by neutrals on N1), but it could have been scum (I talk a lot, depends what kind of scum team we have).
I don't think a vig would have hit me N1. Vig could have held their shot I guess, I don't remember anyone being suspicious of Barry.
If someone would like to go through the other votes feel free. I'm going to be busy for the rest of the Day or else I would.
Actually, that part you linked to was just a joke. I posted that on Day 2 before I got caught.
It goes
Day 1
Night 1 - Ty catches CM
Day 2 - where I made that PTSD mafia joke
Night 2 - I get caught by Ty
I'm guessing you don't get notified if you lose your BP, then? Because you either did get shot and it was blocked or someone just abstained on their kill for Night 1 and there's a big difference between the two lol.
Because Verelios had a good point, if we knew who the Vig/SK targeted then we could tell who Scum were killing and it might give us a better picture. :/
Actually, that part you linked to was just a joke. I posted that on Day 2 before I got caught.
It goes
Day 1
Night 1 - Ty catches CM
Day 2 - where I made that PTSD mafia joke
Night 2 - I get caught by Ty
I'm guessing you don't get notified if you lose your BP, then? Because you either did get shot and it was blocked or someone just abstained on their kill for Night 1 and there's a big difference between the two lol.
Because Verelios had a good point, if we knew who the Vig/SK targeted then we could tell who Scum were killing and it might give us a better picture. :/
melonrabbit
Member
I really bought into the narrative that Royal's posting style was different and I had little else. It's not a good reason for it and I regret it.
CM was purely emotional because I felt the game slipping away.
I'm trying to be more helpful and active. I'm just spinning my wheels thinking about what I can really do. I've got major fog brain and I'm hoping a reread helps.
Also, before I leave, a question for you Dusk. Since you said you are not the Vig then would you explain this for me. You posted this on Day 3 after Ty AND Topo showed up dead and it was the first two posts you made that Day phase.
Because that's a HUGE leap in logic if you aren't the Vig. We don't know who Scum picked as a target that Night and that final response reads like you know more than you're letting on.
Because that's a HUGE leap in logic if you aren't the Vig. We don't know who Scum picked as a target that Night and that final response reads like you know more than you're letting on.
melonrabbit
Member
That's what I figured but I needed to clarification because the exchange stuck out to me at the time.
melonrabbit
Member
If the Vig was captured by the scum trainer and not RB'd does that give the vig/scum team the ability to kill twice a night?
Could explain why no one is claiming.
Could explain why no one is claiming.
I doubt this is the case. Nothing in both trainer flips indicate you actually change alignment, you only get a new secondary one. This also assumes there is a scum trainer which I am starting to doubt.
Giving scum the ability to get 2 kills per night also seems a bit op.
That would be ridiculous unless the vig completely gave up on a town victory. There's nothing really that compelling about a superior win condition, especially dince most of the ones we've seen have town win as a pre-requisite.
Dusk Soldier
Member
The way the pokemon teams work is that for starters We were all placed on one of three teams: Town, Neutral or Scum.
But on top of that we can also be recruited to pokemon teams. either Trump, Gaga, Nevell or ????
So at the end of the game if Town wins, and #teamTrump is the biggest. Then the town players on #teamTrump have a superior victory over the town players on the other teams.
However the scum and neutral members of #teamTrump still lose.
So if you're captured by a pokemon trainer, you have some incentive to keep them alive since the longer they are in play, the bigger your team can potentially be. However you don't need to fulfil your trainer's win condition to win the game.
Dusk Soldier
Member
Could you explain what you meant by the bolded? How is a brief scum read list and a vote 'really out there'?
Also I thought you didn't put much stock into Day 1?
At that point in time of the game, I don't think anyone had seriously considered voting against Christina.
I was just trying to acknoledge that it looked suspicious for me to be trying to vote cMac out, and pull voters away from Royal_Flush.
Also, on D1, I rarely put stock into what people post. However that is not a hard and fast rule as Blarg or Hyperactivity can attest to.
But I also do like to go back and reread what people say/do later in the game when we have more concrete info to work with.
#1771
I was one of the players pressuring Starsketch to tell us the identity of "topoTrainer."
I was always planning to vote them out. I thought that one of the trainers was likely a scum trainer, and his role didn't seem town friendly.
Dusk Soldier
Member
2 deaths usually means either a vigilante or a serial killer. The reason I leant vigilante is because there were no extra death on N1, and vigilantes tend to be x-shot so they kill more sparingly.
Also, splinter was the one that that suggested a vigilante would have targeted Topo for lying, but I think he was insinuating that a vigilante wouldn't have had any way to actually know that.
And I was pointing out that if the vigilante was a pokemon, they could have already been in a pokemon team chat and would have seen contradictions between Topo's claim, and the info they'd been given.
I am sorry if it has been asked already but what about this scenario:
Every trainer is town but not all Pokémon are.
Meaning that trainers can capture every Pokémon there is but the alignment of the Pokémon does not change. They get role blocked by being captured since they are now part of a trainer. That's why the vig could not do the kills, since he was captured.
Every trainer is town but not all Pokémon are.
Meaning that trainers can capture every Pokémon there is but the alignment of the Pokémon does not change. They get role blocked by being captured since they are now part of a trainer. That's why the vig could not do the kills, since he was captured.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Getting caught up from yesterday, but as a quick note if you blocked me last night I hate you, if you blocked me and then complained about Splinter's lies I hate you even more.
melonrabbit
Member
Oh? Another Vig claim? We'll put you on the list.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Not a vig claim.
melonrabbit
Member
Care to elaborate or do you want us to waste time guessing.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
While I wouldn't mind a guessing game, I think it's pretty blatant. Tracker.
See I even straight up used the word that one time (I actually changed my mind and tracked Stanley night 2 since so many people said they couldn't get a read on him, he didn't visit anyone, or there was some sort of switch shenanigans but I doubt that). I tracked Splinter last night, but didn't get a result. So either someone blocked me, or Splinter can't be tracked.
Its possible that every trainer is town, it kinda depends on if Barry got killed by scum or not. If he got killed by scum, he obviously wasn't scum himself,if it was town or a neutral it's possible we got very lucky.
However, his trainership moved to someone else, and I assume that person kept his original alignment, or else you could get situations where a scum Pokemon transforms into a town trainer which would fully break the game. So I think if we find out who is Gaga now that doesn't tells us much about their alignment.
About the role block : since ty4on didn't had that, I think it was an unique thing with TGD.
Interesting. With town already having a role blocker of sorts with TGD, I am doubtful we have another one. So I would guess you got blocked by scum.
Or splinter lied again about his role and he is actually target immune instead of bulletproof.
Huh, so if that's true, you tracked Splinter night 1 and 3?
Unmasked Ferret
Member
No, just night three.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Just to clarify now, when I posted that thing about keeping track of Splinter, I was intending to track Splinter that night, not saying that I had been tracking him. When I went to send my command to Burb I changed my mind and tracked Stanley instead. Deciding to put off tracking Splinter for a night.
Then aside from Stanley and Splinter, who did you track?
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Sorry, I'm going to keep that to myself for a bit. Not because it's useful or damning info, but just cause I don't really feel like telling you.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Aww I was hoping for an animal.
StarSketch
Banned
@ why I'm suspicious of Splinter:
It's mostly just the "Pretend to be this role when I'm really not" thing he pulled. Twice.
It's mostly just the "Pretend to be this role when I'm really not" thing he pulled. Twice.
it would be INSANE not to be suspicious
melonrabbit
Member
No, no. Three times. Veteran, Vig and Bulletproof.
Well, TBF, the Bulletproof claim hasn't been redacted or disproven yet, so that one can be the truth....I guess? I am always wary about bulletproof/veteran/Target Immunity claims though, since those can be used by a scum player that would normally be a good night target for scum as an excuse why they keep surviving.
BTW, something I was thinking about today: do you guys think that if we have a vig, if they should shoot tonight or not? Hitting scum could reverse this bad situation we are in, but at the same time, if we misslynch today again and the vig hits town again+scum kills, scum could get half of the votes in the worst case scenario of there being 5 scum with sketch being one of them. I am currently thinking that the vig should shoot if we hit scum today, but not if we misslynch again, unless they have a very strong lead on a scum. Thoughts about this?
guys! conversation got to a complete hald again ! that is not something that can be ignored.
Vote: *Splinter
Sorry mate but i have a bad feeling about you and your lying all game long.
I know i wanted to after the inactives but i prefer to lynch you right now instead of it being something faar more difficult later on.
Vote: *Splinter
Sorry mate but i have a bad feeling about you and your lying all game long.
I know i wanted to after the inactives but i prefer to lynch you right now instead of it being something faar more difficult later on.
No idea why Ferret couldn't see me, he must have been blocked somehow.
I mean what do you think my motivations are for those lies, if I am scum?
Why does that make you think I am scum?
I mean what do you think my motivations are for those lies, if I am scum?
They absolutely need to keep shooting. Just because things are going badly doesn't mean our PRs should stop acting?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
and because my opinion matters, i am against a splinter lynch.
i really dont feel his actions (mostly referring to the role lies) are scummy.
maybe dumb, but not scummy.
i really dont feel his actions (mostly referring to the role lies) are scummy.
maybe dumb, but not scummy.
He aint dumb thats the thing though
Not today since he made some good posts.
Unlike you Stan.
Nin you can answer this too please. "Lying = scum" is such a lazy line of thought.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
well hows are those lies smart if he is scum?
he has? its looked like the same faux play as ever to me. can you point out these good posts?
i aint denying
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
nin that in itself is not good mafia play.
thats an apology and a promise, it could certainly be a good start to finally playing in a meaningful way, but it doesn't mean anything until it is faithfully followed up. and that hasn't happened yet.
but you said posts, so i assume you have more examples.
Certanly but it is at least better from my point of view as the lies that were manufactured.
I am telling you why i see *splinter as a better target for today BUT and here comes the mindblowing thing that will blow your small nut brain.
I would not be agains a Blarg lynch.
Care to say something more than a static reaction ?
This aint POP-GAF you know.
At least try to play townish for one time.
Is it that hard ?