Pokemon Game Appreciation Thread

You know, I loved Pokemon Blue. Absolute loved and played it all the time. Since then we got three more entries of the series and...it´s gotten boring.

If I started talking about what changes I´d like to see, there´d probably pure disgust on hardcore-Pokemon-fans´ faces.

For one, I hate the static battle-screen. Give me real, fluid battle animations, akin to the anime. Also, bring the series into real 3D (which I would prefer on a home system). Also, change the whole battle system. I admit that I have no idea how pro-players handle that, but when I fought against my friends back in the days, it was a constant "change Pokemon until someone loses interest, then attack". It´s always "I have to choose the Pokemon effective against the enemy Pokemon". Have enough diversity in terms of status-values and attacks that this doesnt happen anymore. And let me individualize my Pokemon. Or rather, make appearance of Pokemon of the same kind a bit random by default, so that no Pokemon you encounter looks the same. Chubby Pikachu and such. Also, lots and lots of INTERESTING sidestories. Really, the anime is the best example of what I mean.

I dont know...the reason I loved Pokemon Blue so much back then was because it felt like a real adventure. Pokemon was a new kind of a game. Now, it´s just lots of random battles and grinding. Bring back the adventure-feeling. Maybe that´s the best thing to say.

Oh, and I´d love a cut back from the number of Pokemon. Red/Blue has 151 unique Pokemon. Gold/Silver still has a lot unique design. Then it gets worse. A lot worse.
 
I honestly don't understand how people say the original 151 are great designs but everything else is shit. I mean, outside of Gengar, Haunter, Charizard, and a few others, the original 151 are pretty abysmal.
 
I remember Pokemon. The games were a huge part of my childhood and I got into videogames of Pokemon.

Wish Nintendo would remake the first two games for the DS. I would buy a DS just for that.
 
selig said:
Oh, and I´d love a cut back from the number of Pokemon. Red/Blue has 151 unique Pokemon. Gold/Silver still has a lot unique design. Then it gets worse. A lot worse.
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Everyone say this, but no, not really.

The series took a dive with RSE in terms of new Pokemon, yes. But to say it has only gotten worse is being ignorant of the 4th gen simply because the 3rd one sucked. Pokemon like Drifloon, Garchomp, Munchlax, Lucario and Croagunk are up there. The gen as a whole is half as good as gen 1, with more filler, there are bad things to say about it, but you don't utterly dismiss it.
 
I really loved the R/B and specially the S/G era. I played the shit out of those games. Many childhood memories from that generation of pokemon. Now, though, I am sick of pokemon games. They bore me to tears. I'm not really mad about it or anything as I understand the importance of this franchise and I don't see nintendo doing anything to change what isn't broken.

Sure I would love to see a fully fleshed out console pokemon game with pokemon catching, a more interesting combat system and fully featured online play. But I am not holding my breath for such a game. It's never going to happen.
 
upandaway said:
Everyone say this, but no, not really.

The series took a dive with RSE in terms of new Pokemon, yes. But to say it has only gotten worse is being ignorant of the 4th gen simply because the 3rd one sucked. Pokemon like Drifloon, Garchomp, Munchlax, Lucario and Croagunk are up there. The gen as a whole is half as good as gen 1, with more filler, there are bad things to say about it, but you don't utterly dismiss it.
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Firstly: Yeah, there are some good new Pokemon. Most sucked, though.
Secondly: It´s not just the Pokemon. The whole formula has gotten stale. We always have discussions about The Legend of Zelda, but really, Pokemon is a lot worse regarding that matter.

upandaway said:
Because it's a ton, ton, ton of effort just to get the concept in 3D. You have to have all these models and animations and. They can do much better than Battle Revolution yes, but not on the level that you want them to do, and not on a level comparable to the DS games.

It'll be gimped content wise. There will be less of everything.
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Then just remake Red/Blue into a gorgeous, open-world 3D-action-rpg, limiting the Pokemon to the original 151 (with maybe a few scoops) and fill the game with great stuff to do besides fighting. Really, a gorgeous remake of the original Pokemon-games would be the most epic thing to happen ever. Forget FF7 Remake, damn...now I have hyped myself for something thats never gonna happen.... :-(
 
Dax01 said:
Wish Nintendo would remake the first two games for the DS. I would buy a DS just for that.
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You're in luck, HG/SS is coming out. You can travel to Kanto/RBY land after beating the E4 in the story and collect Pokemon/stay in that area if you want.

HG/SS is totally setting up to be the best Pokemon release in over a decade. Finally I can have my homeboy Charmander follow me around like Pokemon Yellow.

Yes, the manchild in me is pleased that Pokemon can follow you around now. Why it took so long is beyond me
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Also Mystery Dungeon is good for a kiddy nethack clone. Card Game really needs a remake with all the WotC-era cards up until Nintendo took it over because after that it went from MvC2 level of broken/funness to shit. :(
 
selig said:
Secondly: It´s not just the Pokemon. The whole formula has gotten stale. We always have discussions about The Legend of Zelda, but really, Pokemon is a lot worse regarding that matter.

Then just remake Red/Blue into a gorgeous, open-world 3D-action-rpg, limiting the Pokemon to the original 151 (with maybe a few scoops) and fill the game with great stuff to do besides fighting. Really, a gorgeous remake of the original Pokemon-games would be the most epic thing to happen ever. Forget FF7 Remake, damn...now I have hyped myself for something thats never gonna happen.... :-(
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Yeah, we seem to have opposing ideas as to what advancements matter in the series. To me, it's all about the enormous amount of content available. Like I said, 3D will mean gimped content. 151 Pokemon is gimping it, Kanto only (it was a small overworld, not as condensed as Johto and not as big as Sinnoh) is gimping it. 3D is not expanding it, and hell in some cases it's even further gimping it.

The 8 gym leaders and the evil bad team (the formula) are totally fine with me. They give me the most ease to explore the new content. A change in that is not what I'm looking for in new games.
 
upandaway said:
Yeah, we seem to have opposing ideas as to what advancements matter in the series. To me, it's all about the enormous amount of content available. Like I said, 3D will mean gimped content. 151 Pokemon is gimping it, Kanto only (it was a small overworld, not as condensed as Johto and not as big as Sinnoh) is gimping it. 3D is not expanding it, and hell in some cases it's even further gimping it.

The 8 gym leaders and the evil bad team (the formula) are totally fine with me. They give me the most ease to explore the new content. A change in that is not what I'm looking for in new games.
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Well, to clarify: I grew up with the Pokemon anime. The anime was on TV even before the games were released. And then the anime ran while the games were played by my friends and myself. It was just one big experience. You had you own interactive game in your hand, and you had your daily visual adventure in form of the anime, fleshing things out. So that´s where I´d love the series to go: A kind of Zelda-Animal Crossing with a Pokemon-setting.
Man, i just remember the epic episode where Ash and Co. arrived at a fossil-mountain area, and all of sudden an ancient, surviving Aerodactyl comes flying out of the ground, attacking people...and it was super-huge. That´s the kind of adventure that the Pokemon-games are missing.

Oh, while im in full-selfhype-mode, let me say it here: Fuck Zelda, a Pokemon game done right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Zelda game done right.
 
I know it's been said, but the series really needs a revamp. Maybe a more interesting plot, better 2D sprites, I don't know, but after HG/SS, if they don't plan a revamp, I am done. Done done done.
 
Dax01 said:
I want to start off with a Bulbasaur, though. :(
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I could trade you one for a level 2 Pidgey from the first town or whatever.

Not too keen on the GSC starters myself.
 
JSnake said:
Pearl is the worst rival sorry.
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Pearl sucks, but at least he's a step up from the incompetent duo in the previous generation. RSE had the worst batch of rivals in the series. You fought against a sickly dude who's best Pokemon was a Gardevoir, and you never even see the final evolution of the Pokemon that your other rival picks at the beginning of the game.

Anyways, Pokemon is a great series and has one of the most interesting and deepest fictional worlds in video games. Think about how the scope has grown since the beginning. In the first generation, there were subtle hints that maybe Pokemon were from outer space, or at least some of them. Then, you learn about ancient Pokemon and how some were worshiped like gods. In the third generation, there is a focus on pre-history and how Pokemon affected the growth and creation of the world. Finally, you encounter godlike Pokemon that can alter the nature of space and time. Very few other gaming series has this kind of evolution with their mythos.

From a gameplay stand point, a lot of people criticize it for being the same every time, but you shouldn't fix what isn't broken. Each game has a massive world with a ton of secrets and the series really emphasizes exploration. I think people forgive the formula due to how expansive the areas are in the game. There are a few things that would be awesome improvements:

- Switch out movesets: Did you ever spend hours trying to train a Pokemon with an awesome moveset, only to learn that those moves are now obsolete and there's a much better moveset for that Pokemon? Instead of a Pokemon only being able to have four moves, how expanding the moveset to oh, let's say 10 or 20, and allowing only four of those to be used in battle. This way you can try different things with your Pokemon without wasting precious time. This would also work wonders for HM. Why must I waste a spot on my team with a HM slave?

- Selectable natures: Natures are an interesting way to develop the Pokemon you want, however, the system is broken. There is no way to select the nature you want, therefore you must spend countless hours breeding and resetting the game so the Pokemon you have doesn't turn out to be horrible. I should be able to select the nature of the Pokemon I want at the beginning and during breeding, and I should be able to change the nature of a Pokemon I catch. I don't care how many Pokedollars I have to pay to change it, I'll do it.

Simplified EVs: EVs, or effort values, are invisible (that's right) points that rack up and don't show themselves until your Pokemon level up. For example, if you want to boost your Pokemon's speed, you have to fight some Pokemon that gives off a high speed EV, like Rattata. That means every time you level up, you have to fight some Rattata so your Skarmory isn't slow as shit. This is really annoying and time consuming. People argue that EVs keep each Pokemon unique, which I guess I can understand, however it doesn't have to be torture. In post game, there should be individual areas that are dedicated to EV boosts. Like an area that has Pokemon that only give high speed EV boosts, an area that only gives strength EV boosts etc. This way leveling up and concentrating on EVs is simpler. The game should also show you how many EVs you've racked up so you can know how your Pokemon will grow.

It's a great series that kind of ruins itself by being super complicated if you want a good Pokemon team and to fight others. I think it needs to bridge the gap between casual fun and serious business battling.
 
Forkball said:
There is no way to select the nature you want, therefore you must spend countless hours breeding and resetting the game so the Pokemon you have doesn't turn out to be horrible.
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Everstones and Synchronize give you a 50% chance of getting the nature you want. Maybe you think it should be a 100% chance, and I'd probably agree with you.

Simplified EVs: In post game, there should be individual areas that are dedicated to EV boosts. Like an area that has Pokemon that only give high speed EV boosts, an area that only gives strength EV boosts etc. This way leveling up and concentrating on EVs is simpler.
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There usually are, though: Bidoof rancher (HP), Magikarp fisherman (SPE), haunted house (SPA), surfing Tentacools (SPD), etc. I do agree that these numbers should be visible and easier to readjust, though.

The only real agony in genetically engineering "perfect" Pokemon are IVs. Those can go straight to hell.
 
Dax01 said:
I remember Pokemon. The games were a huge part of my childhood and I got into videogames of Pokemon.

Wish Nintendo would remake the first two games for the DS. I would buy a DS just for that.
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Pokémon FireRed/LeafGreen, no need to wait.

You can play it on a DS Lite, but NOT on a DSi though.
 
I played the Red,Blue,Yellow and the Gold version back in the days all the time.

And now reading about HG and SS Im getting interested into picking the game up again
after skipping basically everything after the orignal gold.

But after skimming over the pages I get the impression the games have become a lot
more complicated that will ask more time to invest into it to play

any tips on kinda getting back into it without being overwhelmed with all the new things?
 
LALILULELO said:
I played the Red,Blue,Yellow and the Gold version back in the days all the time.

And now reading about HG and SS Im getting interested into picking the game up again
after skipping basically everything after the orignal gold.

But after skimming over the pages I get the impression the games have become a lot
more complicated that will ask more time to invest into it to play

any tips on kinda getting back into it without being overwhelmed with all the new things?
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The games do a good job of hiding a lot of the complicated stuff from beginners. A lot of the things that hardcore Pokemon players look for aren't even stated explicitly. All the new Pokemon that might confuse you won't be visible until after you've completed the game (at least, that's how the red/blue remakes were). You should be fine.
 
Dax01 said:
You can do that? I haven't really been following Pokemon for awhile now.
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Yes. Unlike D/P/Pt and the earlier gens, HG/SS lets you trade from the get-go when you reach the first town. No need to beat the gym.

In fact: Read this and see how they're going to kick the shit out of all the earlier games by being a bit of a leap forward.
 
LALILULELO said:
I played the Red,Blue,Yellow and the Gold version back in the days all the time.

And now reading about HG and SS Im getting interested into picking the game up again
after skipping basically everything after the orignal gold.

But after skimming over the pages I get the impression the games have become a lot
more complicated that will ask more time to invest into it to play

any tips on kinda getting back into it without being overwhelmed with all the new things?
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Now matter how much new shit is added to each iteration, you can ignore pretty much all of it and still handle the single-player quest fine. The post-game is where all of that other junk becomes relevant.
 
Sixfortyfive said:
Now matter how much new shit is added to each iteration, you can ignore pretty much all of it and still handle the single-player quest fine. The post-game is where all of that other junk becomes relevant.
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And that's only if you want to be insanely competitive. If you're playing with a bunch of people that don't care/kids about EV/IV values, you're still good.

The game is as deep/complex as you want it to be. On the surface, it's still the same Pokemon game you've played for close to 10 years now.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Nintendo must not like making money then.
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A console version would cost much more money to make, and would sell half as much at best. Nintendo likes making money just fine.

Platinum was my first and only Pokemon game. I never played it as a kid...I guess it hit when I was a bit too old already. I enjoyed it and found it quite addictive (put in about 80 hours I think), but I never did get into the online aspect of it. I liked all the layers of depth, and I like the fact battles almost always require some thought and strategy, in contrast to some of the other JRPGs out there. Bulbapedia is awesome.
 
I don't really get why people want a console Pokemon RPG so bad. Pokemon is designed entirely around being a handheld game. POCKET Monsters!
 
bon said:
I don't really get why people want a console Pokemon RPG so bad. Pokemon is designed entirely around being a handheld game. POCKET Monsters!
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Well, uh, that's the reason. Some people want their games bigger and better with graphics and game mechanics. That's how the industry advanced for years. Don't knock them for it, it's a pretty logical request.
 
upandaway said:
Well, uh, that's the reason. Some people want their games bigger and better with graphics and game mechanics. That's how the industry advanced for years. Don't knock them for it, it's a pretty logical request.
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I'd reckon few people would be opposed to a proper Pokemon game on the home consoles. It is reasonable to want something bigger and better. As it has been mentioned, Pokemon Company does not see this as the right business decision at this current time. But here is food for though: Let us imagine that the DS2 will have the rumored high quality screen AND some powerful graphics chip inside. Maybe Game Freak will utilize the hardware and provide us with something resembling a home console game, but still fitting their vision of Pokemon as a portable game.
 
viewtiful_dru said:
The manga is serious.

Giovanni orders his Cloyster to freeze a Magmar (!) and then shatter the frozen monster.

That's fucking REAL.
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There's also where Gastlys posses rotten Psyduck corpses to attack.

But it has become far more tame later on. You won't see anything like that on the DP season.
 
Niblet said:
I'd reckon few people would be opposed to a proper Pokemon game on the home consoles. It is reasonable to want something bigger and better. As it has been mentioned, Pokemon Company does not see this as the right business decision at this current time. But here is food for though: Let us imagine that the DS2 will have the rumored high quality screen AND some powerful graphics chip inside. Maybe Game Freak will utilize the hardware and provide us with something resembling a home console game, but still fitting their vision of Pokemon as a portable game.
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Pokemon is the #1 reason why I want the DS2 ASAP. So much room for growth. There's so much that players could be allowed to do in a pokemon game that the main quest could almost be ignore completely in favor of just doing some of the side-quests.

There's a lot of room for more side-quest stuff to be added to the game. I always felt they should make us more involved in the breeding aspects of pokemon. instead of letting some AI breeder do all the work, they should let players start their own breeding business, accepting other players and AI trainers pokemon as clients to raise and breed to their specifications.

There should be more unique pokemon battles besides legendary encounters. Snorlax, Sudowoodo, Red Gyrados, and Cubone's ghost mom are examples of unique encounters that were in past games. There should be more of those. I wouldn't mind if there were more dangerous wild pokemon encounters. You're never really challenged by wild pokemon, especially when you get 6 pokemon in your party. Bring in some FOE's/bosses that float around in the wild. Optional battles with powered-up normal pokemon that are hard as hell/impossible to catch and are a challenge to beat. I'd also like to see swarm encounters, like battling 10 beedrills/zubat in a row without the opportunity to heal/save between each battle. These swarms/FOE's could be causing problems somewhere and the player can go on a side-quest to clear the area of the swarms/FOE's so that trainers can pass through the area safely. It's basic RPG stuff, but it's never really made it's way into Pokemon.

I think doubles battles should be more prominently featured in the main quest. Players should be able to choose AI partners to take on the gyms in doubles battles. I want online co-op that allows people to play through the 8 gyms in doubles battles and then take on the elite four together.

I want the ability to open your own gym and have players and AI trainers visit your town to earn your gym badge. Opening and operating a gym should be fairly extensive and a huge addition to the game. Players would have to pay AI gym trainers to work at their gym. Players could invite any of the AI trainers in the game to come work for them, but some of the trainers would have certain requests you'd have to fulfill before they joined. For example, some might want a certain pokemon, so you'd have to go and catch it for them.

Yeah.... so much room for expansion in Pokemon. Can't wait to see what they do next gen.
 
viewtiful_dru said:
The manga is serious.

Giovanni orders his Cloyster to freeze a Magmar (!) and then shatter the frozen monster.

That's fucking REAL.
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Is this pokemon adventures we're talking about? I may have gotten bored with the games but I still love this manga. I want the pokemon MMO to come out already.
 
MagniHarvald said:
Pokémon FireRed/LeafGreen, no need to wait.

You can play it on a DS Lite, but NOT on a DSi though.
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I wanna play the latest versions, though. :( I think, when SS comes out, I may get a DSi to play it.:D

TheSeks said:
Yes. Unlike D/P/Pt and the earlier gens, HG/SS lets you trade from the get-go when you reach the first town. No need to beat the gym.

In fact: Read this and see how they're going to kick the shit out of all the earlier games by being a bit of a leap forward.
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I'm beginning to like Sixfortyfive's plan.
 
upandaway said:
But it has become far more tame later on. You won't see anything like that on the DP season.
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Sadly. IIRC, it's based around if the 'mons were real. Satatoshi wanted it to be that brutal.
 
I remember Pokemon at the height of it's popularity in, what, 2000/2001. My gf at the time had a massive stuffed Pikachu collection as well as all the VHS tapes (and no she wasn't an ugly fatty).

My best friend was still dealing drugs and he would hide his GBC under the couch between sessions when a buyer knocked at the door. He'd stand there at the door, exchanging money and drugs with a locked and loaded Ruger in his track pants, then close the door when the deal was done and pick his game back up. He played for hours and hours.

Good times.
 
bon said:
POCKET Monsters!
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They're in the character's proverbial "pocket". I'm just the guy playing the game.

I'm not sure about a console pokemon. I have a feeling they wouldn't change anything, and it would just feel too simplistic.
 
I want an updated Pokemon TCG for DS with all the new cards! Was so sad they didn't bring the 2nd game over to the states. :(
 
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