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White guy is brandishing an assault rifle and the cop is reasoning with him to put the weapon down, showing enormous restraint.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/31/1324831/-White-man-jaywalks-with-gun-guess-what-happens

In the Department of Public Safety's decision not to pursue charges, Webster said later that even though Houseman did not have the rifle in a sling and was "fidgeting" with it, it was not evident that he was "brandishing" it.
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I'm sure that if the guy was black, the police would treat him in the exact same way.

LOL
 
Or maybe these are decent cops.

I totally agree with you when speaking statistically about a sample of cops.These guys should be praised in this instance though, even if there's still a conversation to be had.

Edit: sheesh, praised was just shitty wording here on my part. Elaborated on below.
 
Sklorenz said:
Or maybe these are decent cops.

I totally agree with you when speaking statistically about a sample of cops.These guys should be praised in this instance though, even if there's still a conversation to be had.
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Praised for what exactly?
 
Old news. Old video. Old analysis. The Daily Show had a piece on it months ago. The video timestamp shows 2014-05-04.
 
I was gonna make a joke about him not reaching into his waistband like the other guy, and that being the difference, but watching the video, he clearly does.

Anyway, you can't compare departments. What you can do however, is look at this style of policing and say it's the way it should be done, while looking at people being shot for sudden movements and say that's not the way it should be done. If this is a safe way to confront an armed, belligerent individual, I'm going to expect consistency across the board.
 
So how many times must the universe end and start over for the same outcome to occur for a black gun nut? No bullet wounds or charges? Shiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
 
This isn't really any different than any of the hundreds of "open-carry test" and "checkpoint refusal" vids out there, apart form being more boring than most. Did you make this thread just to say "If he was black, LOL"?
 
What's wrong with praising someone who does a good job and sets a positive example for others in their field? When the bar is low you try to raise it, not shrug your shoulders at the people who hurdle it.
 
Captain Pants said:
It is a pretty valid point. This guy would have been turned into a pink mist if he was a minority.
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That's what people who love to back up their racist cop notions would love to believe. Truth is we have no idea what would have happened if that guy was black.
 
Sklorenz said:
Maybe they shouldn't be "praised" for doing their job, that word was a bit strong. But it should be pointed to as a an appropriate response that we expect to see extended to everybody.
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But that response isn't extended to everybody and that is the problem.
BPoole said:
That's what people who love to back up their racist cop notions would love to believe. Truth is we have no idea what would have happened if that guy was black.
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Based on the fact that police kill black people for things like hold a wallet, then yes we do.
 
I'm black and I'll be fair to those who said this is not a race issue... Maybe it is a gun issue.
We just all need to get guns, and we can grab our balls and shake them at cops and they call us Sir with respect. With guns we all get to negotiate. I can just see my ass not getting charged for any crime after that.

Don't mind me I just watched, The Central Park Five on Netflix. Good Documentary on the issues or non issues we are facing.
 
BPoole said:
No we don't. Cops being racist is a stereotype. Do you think all stereotypes are true?
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So black people aren't treated differently by cops?

It's not a stereotype it's fact, law enforcement agencies have racist polices and procedures and if a cop follows and enforces those polices, then yes they are racists.
 
Enzom21 said:
So black people aren't differently by cops?
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Depends on the cop. Do you have any evidence to suggest the officer in this scenario would have handled it differently if that was an old drunk black guy instead of an old drunk white guy, or are you just basing this assumption solely on the fact that he is a cop?
 
Paskil said:
I wish I was praised every time I did my job.
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Enzom21 said:
Praised for what exactly?
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I hate this shit, it's like you guys think a high pressure situational job where the capacity for shit to go awry in a bad way is akin to filing some paper. I'm not saying give them a medal or that there isn't a problem but when there's a big ass issue with the integrity of the police and you have some of them setting a good example in a situation where they probably could've killed a guy and still would've fallen under "doing their job" if they so desired, yeah I think that's worth acknowledging.

And for the record there are plenty of people I praise for doing their jobs; fire fighters, doctors, social workers, etc. when I get the chance. Ugh, I don't even know why this works me up so much since I'm not even American and this whole police issue doesn't affect me but this attitude irks me a lot.
 
BPoole said:
That's what people who love to back up their racist cop notions would love to believe. Truth is we have no idea what would have happened if that guy was black.
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This is rubbish. We have enough data on police shootings to extrapolate what the probable outcome for a black would be. Anyway, this sort of incident shouldnt be condemned, it should be used to throw shade at every example of some brute of a cop escalating a situation, then ending it in a hail of gunfire.
 
Enzom21 said:
So black people aren't treated differently by cops?
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I'm not sure if you're serious with this because it seems like a clear wind up.

There is an institutional problem with how black people are treated by cops, but that doesn't mean every instance of every police encounter with a black person results in more police brutality. You have absolutely no way of knowing whether in this isolated incident, this particular cop would have reacted differently to a black person.

I'm on the side that wants the issue sorted out as soon as possible. I also want gun restrictions and accountability for police officers. But this line of reasoning isn't helping anyone, it's just making you look as narrow-minded as the other side.
 
ITT: Cop doesn't shoot white guy, people complain.

Bringing up a single incident and attempting to discuss what would have happened in an alternate universe if he was a different race is pointless. This is especially true when the "incident" is nothing happening; I'm fairly certain that there are more black people who don't get shot by cops than there are that do, so bringing up counterfactuals here is extra pointless.
 
Enzom21 said:
But that response isn't extended to everybody and that is the problem.
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Agreed, that's what I said in my first post, and second. My point was that I don't think the OP's approach is an effective way to start a meaningful conversation about this.

..Maybe I should just stick to my lurking these sorts of threads.
 
So the people that are annoyed with race being brought up in this thread, would you be willing to bet your life that if the gunman were black and acted the same exact way, the outcome would be the same?
 
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