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the police are the ones that didn't even bother to question zimmerman with a fuck to give, the ones who didn't even want to identify the body or find out who's kid was laying in the morgue, and the ones who happily botched an investigation

its a part of the same issue

the cops there allowed that situation to proceed the way that it did
They also botched the OJ Simpson investigation. Some cops aren't as competent as others. Mistakes happen.

Any way you look at it, that picture is bad and does not reflect the situation at all. It's just fuel for cop haters to get angry over
 
because cops tend to 'not do their jobs correctly' at a significantly higher rate when its a minority
"Tend to"

But here they didn't. We should be celebrating that and using it as an example not cutting them down for what they could've done. It's fucking stupid and sad.
 
They also botched the OJ Simpson investigation. Some cops aren't as competent as others. Mistakes happen.

Any way you look at it, that picture is bad and does not reflect the situation at all. It's just fuel for cop haters to get angry over

Yes... OJ got off

that single case proves that institutional racism and excessive force against minorities doesn't exist
 
"Tend to"

But here they didn't. We should be celebrating that and using it as an example not cutting them down for what they could've done. It's fucking stupid and sad.

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can't tell if serious?
 
How often are white people killed by cops?

I wouldn't know in terms of hours, but it's WAAAAY less often when you control for the % of population each group makes up, and it's never been anything other than that way.

We've trended in the right direction for years when there was a ton of ground to cover and improvements to be made, but it's pretty fucked up that this is still the case, and it's sadly going to continue to be unless we put criminal cops in prison for breaking the law, and fire them when they're blatantly racist.
 
Yes... OJ got off

that single case proves that institutional racism and excessive force against minorities doesn't exist

People are just going to keep making excuses and ignoring the elephant in the room until this issue finally reaches its blast off. So many people in this country are just conditioned to finding the cheapest method to wave this shit away. Right now we've reached the undeserved Persecution Complex stage.
 
"Tend to"

But here they didn't. We should be celebrating that and using it as an example not cutting them down for what they could've done. It's fucking stupid and sad.

while you're out celebrating i'll still be driving with my wallet on the dashboard so that when i get pulled over for matching a description for the 5th time in 3 years, i won't be justifiably shot for reaching towards my pocket

put yourself in another person's shoes - why do you think we'd be happy about a guy walking around with a fully auto weapon when we still see people like us getting gunned down in toy gun aisles? if anything it just spells out the divide clearer. nothing has 'changed' at all. especially when people do the same thing you're doing and trying to pretend the issue away or throw some trivial event back in our face like 'why aren't you happy?'
 
Yes... OJ got off

that single case proves that institutional racism and excessive force against minorities doesn't exist
All it proves is that cops makes mistakes and people will slip through the cracks due to these mistakes. The police did not kill trayvon Martin though.
 
People are just going to keep making excuses and ignoring the elephant in the room until this issue finally reaches its blast off. So many people in this country are just conditioned to finding the cheapest method to wave this shit away. Right now we've reached the undeserved Persecution Complex stage.

some people like don't like the truth. but the sun never lies.
 
You guys are pathetic.

Putting on a uniform does not make you racist.
Being racist and putting a uniform does make you a danger.
Being in an inherently dangerous job, realizing the potential danger of this job, AND being racist all at once magnifies the potential for you being a danger.
Do cops need accountability? Yeah. Are all cops disgusting pigs? No. Some of them are scared shitless, racist, and get caught up in adrenaline. Sucks, its tragic, and its an issue that needs to be worked on, but I'm pretty sure this specific cop isn't one of the problem cops.
 
All it proves is that cops makes mistakes and people will slip through the cracks due to these mistakes. The police did not kill trayvon Martin though.

okay. cool.

they still let a guy go home the same night he wiped the kid's blood off without doing a fraction of their job because he was just another hoodlum who shouldn't have been on that side of town to begin with

when some cops aren't getting away with shooting minorities in the back themselves, their structure is out there actively enabling it with on the spot 'decisions' like that
 
You guys are pathetic.

Putting on a uniform does not make you racist.
Being racist and putting a uniform does make you a danger.
Being in an inherently dangerous job, realizing the potential danger of this job, AND being racist all at once magnifies the potential for you being a danger.
Do cops need accountability? Yeah. Are all cops disgusting pigs? No. Some of them are scared shitless, racist, and get caught up in adrenaline. Sucks, its tragic, and its an issue that needs to be worked on, but I'm pretty sure this specific cop isn't one of the problem cops.

Being a police officer is not even on the list of top ten most dangerous jobs.
 
You guys are pathetic.

Putting on a uniform does not make you racist.
Being racist and putting a uniform does make you a danger.
Being in an inherently dangerous job, realizing the potential danger of this job, AND being racist all at once magnifies the potential for you being a danger.
Do cops need accountability? Yeah. Are all cops disgusting pigs? No. Some of them are scared shitless, racist, and get caught up in adrenaline. Sucks, its tragic, and its an issue that needs to be worked on, but I'm pretty sure this specific cop isn't one of the problem cops.

I never said he was and I agree with you.

But at the same time, don't expect people to get up and clap for a good cop. Hell, good cops don't even expect it.

lol

i don't see firefighters or soldiers on that list either so i guess everyone should just stfu, huh?
 
while you're out celebrating i'll still be driving with my wallet on the dashboard so that when i get pulled over for matching a description for the 5th time in 3 years, i won't be justifiably shot for reaching towards my pocket

put yourself in another person's shoes - why do you think we'd be happy about a guy walking around with a fully auto weapon when we still see people like us getting gunned down in toy gun aisles? if anything it just spells out the divide clearer. nothing has 'changed' at all. especially when people do the same thing you're doing and trying to pretend the issue away or throw some trivial event back in our face like 'why aren't you happy?'
I reeaaallyy don't see the point in getting angry over a hypothetical in a situation where a good thing actually happened. I'd rather acknowledge the good and champion that as an example of what to do rather than cut it down. Cutting it down achieves nothing. But that's just me.

And what's even worse is that we blindly assume so much about these cops we don't know and consider them murdering racists.

But carry on.
 
okay. cool.

they still let a guy go home the same night he wiped the kid's blood off without doing a fraction of their job because he was just another hoodlum who shouldn't have been on that side of town to begin with

when some cops aren't getting away with shooting minorities in the back themselves, their structure is out there actively enabling it with on the spot 'decisions' like that

Do we have several instances of non cops killing minorities and cops letting the guy go home that night where it is a trend, or has that just happened in the Zimmerman case and cop haters think that is always what the police always do?
 
I reeaaallyy don't see the point in getting angry over a hypothetical in a situation where a good thing actually happened. I'd rather acknowledge the good and champion that as an example of what to do rather than cut it down. Cutting it down achieves nothing. But that's just me.

And what's even worse is that we blindly assume so much about these cops we don't know and consider then murdering racists.

But carry on.

Sooooo while you're acknowledging the good that comes along with white privilege (open carry in all of its glory) you're going to continue to refuse to acknowledge that, maybe, minorities see this thing enough to be pissed about it.

That's cool. Maybe we should just stop being whiny little bitches. lol

I'm not saying all cops are murdering racists. Hell, I 'defend' cops on this forum regularly. At the same time, when you see practiced and justified excessive actions aimed at certain peoples, its hard to say "wow, things are getting better" when there's a disproportionate amount of lethal force aimed at one community vs the other - especially when its been going on for decades - and nothing has changed.
 
Sooooo while you're acknowledging the good that comes along with white privilege (open carry in all of its glory) you're going to continue to refuse to acknowledge that, maybe, minorities see this thing enough to be pissed about it.

That's cool. Maybe we should just stop being whiny little bitches. lol

I'm not saying all cops are murdering racists. Hell, I 'defend' cops on this forum regularly. At the same time, when you see practiced and justified excessive actions aimed at certain peoples, its hard to say "wow, things are getting better" when there's a disproportionate amount of lethal force aimed at one community vs the other - especially when its been going on for decades - and nothing has changed.
I'm black and I live in Bedstuy my dude.

My point is, instead of assuming that these cops would've killed this man had he been black we should take this example and say "do THIS". Injecting some hateful narrative into it achieves nothing and causes people to go on the defensive. Especially when, again, you're accusing them of being murdering racists.
 
It's good they did their job and all, but I don't see whats to clap about because thats it. They did their job. It's disingenuous to pretend to ignore the fact that if the guy had been a minority, chances increase exponentially that he would have been kill.
 
It is a pretty valid point. This guy would have been turned into a pink mist if he was a minority.

Compare him to the boy in Saint Louis who was shot by police (not Michael Brown, the one who had a knife and asked the police to shoot him). If this man had started walking towards the police and/or raised his rifle, he too likely would have been shot.

But even with that considered, the manner in which these two were handled feels different. The police did not immediately pull their weapons, for instance.
 
I'm black and I live in Bedstuy my dude.

My point is, instead of assuming that these cops would've killed this man had he been black we should take this example and say "do THIS". Injecting some hateful narrative into it achieves nothing and causes people to go on the defensive. Especially when, again, you're accusing them of being murdering racists.

Until its a black guy holding an AK, then it doesn't mean shit lol

how the hell can you say that a guy getting gunned down in a toy gun section and another white guy having his open carry rights respected are even close to being somewhere by a middle ground?

i'm not injecting a hateful narrative - i'm acknowledging the irony while you're out sipping the koolaid like things got better overnight

and again - you can't find a post about me calling all cops murdering racists so find another angle

edit: and let people be on the defensive LOL. why should someone being defensive make me come so far off my own stance that i'm not even arguing anymore?
 
Compare him to the boy in Saint Louis who was shot by police (not Michael Brown, the one who had a knife and asked the police to shoot him). If this man had started walking towards the police and/or raised his rifle, he too likely would have been shot.

But even with that considered, the manner in which these two were handled feels different. The police did not immediately pull their weapons, for instance.


the black kid who they slaughtered, was pretty much alreadydeadgif.

it's almost as if the police are dealing with two different species of man.

how blind can some people truly be?
 
Until its a black guy holding an AK, then it doesn't mean shit lol

how the hell can you say that a guy getting gunned down in a toy gun section and another white guy having his open carry rights respected are even close to being somewhere by a middle ground?

i'm not injecting a hateful narrative - i'm acknowledging the irony while you're out sipping the koolaid like things got better overnight

and again - you can't find a post about me calling all cops murdering racists so find another angle

edit: and let people be on the defensive LOL. why should someone being defensive make me come so far off my own stance that i'm not even arguing anymore?
You're putting a lot of words in my mouth. Middle ground? Better overnight?

Anyways, carry on.
 
God bless america, and its glorious open-carry laws. I like how he kicks his feet back at the end of the standoff, like "damn it feels good to exercise my rights".
 
You're putting a lot of words in my mouth. Middle ground? Better overnight?

Anyways, carry on.

you carry on

how the hell are you going to tell people that they should clap for white privilege on display like the same shit applies to everyone? things have been like this for decades and its supposed to get recognized as cops getting better or something? no lol
 
Guy never made a threatening move or held the gun in a firing position. Why would they shoot him? But if they did it would have been his fault. *


Disclaimer: The preceding post is not reflective on current status of racism in the US.
 
What is even the point of this thread? The OP goes out of his way to use this story of cops doing their dangerous job effectively into some point on race when it isn't called for at all.

There's a time and place for that discussion but this isn't it.
 
What is even the point of this thread? The OP goes out of his way to use this story of cops doing their dangerous job effectively into some point on race when it isn't called for at all.

There's a time and place for that discussion but this isn't it.

if you're not gonna speak the truth, what you gonna talk about?
 
okay. cool.

they still let a guy go home the same night he wiped the kid's blood off without doing a fraction of their job because he was just another hoodlum who shouldn't have been on that side of town to begin with

when some cops aren't getting away with shooting minorities in the back themselves, their structure is out there actively enabling it with on the spot 'decisions' like that
It kinda defies belief when someone is going to jail on a domestic violence call (even if it's just raised voices and no actual violence) but Zimmerman murdered someone and got to go home arrest free.
 
What is even the point of this thread? The OP goes out of his way to use this story of cops doing their dangerous job effectively into some point on race when it isn't called for at all.

There's a time and place for that discussion but this isn't it.
fuck your time and place lol

i'll point out the irony and hypocrisy whenever and wherever its present. a white guy not getting 80 rounds for actually having the weapon that others are shot on sight for appearing to hold

yeah, its some bullshit. sorry if i don't raise a glass
 
What is even the point of this thread? The OP goes out of his way to use this story of cops doing their dangerous job effectively into some point on race when it isn't called for at all.

There's a time and place for that discussion but this isn't it.

Sooooo sorry, you're right.

C'mon y'all, back to our designated forum for talking about this. Don't wanna cause a fuss and get in the way of the latest console gaming news!
 
If this discussion makes you uncomfortable, then don't post. If some words on an Internet forum bother you more than the reality of people walking around with targets on their backs because of the concentration of melanin in their skin you either aren't paying attention to the state of our country or you don't care.
 
I for one get pissed every time I see anyone, in light of the horrible things they could have done or perhaps their extradimensional doppelgangers are doing as we speak. I honestly question your mental soundness if you don't judge people you don't know on their potential for sin.

Stay angry, GAF. It's good for the soul (I think).
 
Compare him to the boy in Saint Louis who was shot by police (not Michael Brown, the one who had a knife and asked the police to shoot him). If this man had started walking towards the police and/or raised his rifle, he too likely would have been shot.

But even with that considered, the manner in which these two were handled feels different. The police did not immediately pull their weapons, for instance.
Thats exactly what I was saying about with the example of the knife wielder. Cops showed up to the scene looking to put that man down. Their guns were drawn instantly.
 
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