Because every altercation ends in a gunfight.
Police negotiate with drunk open carry white man who asked police to shoot him. No ch
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Because every altercation ends in a gunfight.
How can you tell? If they are hiding behind their cars, their guns were probably pulled as soon as they got out.
Freaky Fred
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Didn't say anyone should be clapping that this guy didn't die, but people should be happy to see that conflicts can be resolved without killing anybody.
But I guess you're saying that no matter what happens, you're always going to inject an issue of race into every situation regarding police. Cool, you've made up your mind. Guess there's no point discussing this with you anymore
EdibleKnife
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No one here is criticizing these specific officers. It's great that it ended up the way that it did. Just because it ended up this way does not mean that the institutionalized racism within law enforcement as a whole is somehow swept away.
I'm not injecting race into anything. The race issue is there whether we bring it up or not. I'm merely acknowledging it and you're trying not to.
I'd be happy if there weren't a huge pattern of cops failing to resolve these kinds of situations without resorting to maiming when minorities are involved. I'll be happy when I see a pattern trending in the other direction.
kame-sennin
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Do you really not understand what people are talking about? Really?
Nah, I was speaking in general with the 4th statement, not to Adder, since some people were talking about it. I did misunderstand what BPoole was asking for when he asked for proof, which Kettch better explained to me. I misunderstood that mainly due to what BPoole bolded in the quote he was responding to.
Thanks for the response though.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Why don't you see it as people being upset that others have been shot?
bob_arctor
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What in the world?? No, it doesn't. That's a bizarre assertion.
You'd have to be an idiot to think that and I'd have to be a monster to feel that way.
You don't actually think that and I don't actually feel that way.
Because "others" is meaningless in this situation. Yes. People get killed. It sucks. It has no bearing on this situation at all. Any one who brings in, "Well, if the person was black lolol" type comments shouldn't be taken seriously when it comes to discussions of racism. The situation to them is as black and white as racists want it to be.
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While I agree that the news reports seem to indicate a trend that the police treat blacks more unfairly, I don't think using an instance where the police actually did the job well as an negative example serves any purpose other than to set up an us versus them argument. The police did the right thing in this video and you don't know how they would have reacted if the person had been black. Focus on highlighting negative incidents that have been perpetuated against the blacks rather then events where they did their job correctly just because you want to make the point that the police are nicer to whites. It makes it almost seem like you they had to shoot the guy to prove that a subset of the force is not racist, if that makes any sense.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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No, they could just not shoot unarmed children and then get away with it while the entire world knows.
Vermillion
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Yes, but you could say that the news is... Timeless.
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And I agree with that. It shocks me everytime I read here about another black kid or man getting shot for the smallest of reasons, often unarmed and not dangerous ,without giving them the chance for any explanation. Especially so because I come from a place where guns are banned and the police don't even need to fire any shots except in the rarest of cases.
But what can we really say about the situation by highlighting such an incident other than to point out what we have already been observing through the many incidents and reports? It's only useful when used as an actual statistic (a collation of data to show how whites and blacks are treated differently) and not really of value as an incident on its own. We can predict a general trend as to how a black in the same incident might have gotten shot at but we cannot say that the police in this particular case would have definitely treated a black guy in a worse way because we do not have the data on how these individuals have behaved previously.
I think what some of the posters here are saying that it is unfair to judge these individuals in this cases as being possibly racists because they treated a white man fairly because we have no idea how the police in this case could have acted otherwise. Trends and tendencies don't indicate that all individuals will act the same way.
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Ha!
Byakuya769
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J10 is the TRUE racist.
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They should be taken more seriously than you.
Exr
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Consider the amount of negative news that is reported rather than the positive.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Fair point, but also consider how much negative police news isn't reported because of coverups and how there is no database of police shootings in America.
Remember that Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown would be dead in the ground without any noise or attention if there weren't witnesses and online advocacy to keep the police in check.
It has plenty of bearing on this situation. If this is a safe way to confront an armed, hostile man refusing to obey police orders, then I want this procedure to be applied across the board.
If that's what you're taking from this thread, you're a fucking moron. No offense.
Exr
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Yep, this is totally valid too. Just saying the base assumption that cops are all inherently evil is a misnomer, but your point stands as well. Very sad thought that so much has and will continue to go unreported or unheard.
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