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[mckmas8808]

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There's your "great negotiator" right there, people.

Has Obama agreed to this exact idea yet?

 

[GhaleonEB]

President Obama told Congressional leaders to reach a final agreement on a path to raise the debt limit in the next 24-36 hours or...he'll call another meeting at the White House.

A Republican aide described today's nearly two hour gathering as "composed and polite" -- probably because, according to a Democratic aide, unlike on Wednesday evening Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) didn't pipe up once.

Democrats and Republicans will now brief their caucuses on potential spending cuts and figure out whether the cuts they've identified are workable, or whether they have to resort to Mitch McConnell's Plan Z. According to a Democratic official familiar with the talks, while the president "appreciates Senators Reid and McConnell trying to solve the immediate problem," in his eyes it "remains a fallback option." We'll find out more when President Obama briefs the media about progress tomorrow.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...36-hoursbefore-our-next-meeting.php?ref=fpblg

Someone got dressed down.

 

[besada]

It seems unfair to pick on people who are clearly on the autism spectrum.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

It seems unfair to pick on people who are clearly on the autism spectrum.

LOL that made me laugh out loud.

 

[reilo]

It seems unfair to pick on people who are clearly on the autism spectrum.

Leave BigSilly alone!

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

You run a tanning saloon?

No. I'm a faithful guberment employee.
But I DO have a killer tan. I take long lunch breaks in the sun on your dollar.

 

[Cyan]

Leave BigSilly alone!

That you Mr. Bachmann?

 

[Crisis]

No. I'm a faithful guberment employee.
But I DO have a killer tan. I take long lunch breaks in the sun on your dollar.

So was I. Thanks to your disastrous Republican economy over the last decade, I got marginalized so much that I had to leave the state I was in to find another job. I wish you had been working where I was and gotten fired instead of what they did to me since you apparently hold such a disdain for government work.

 

[Oblivion]

No. I'm a faithful guberment employee.
But I DO have a killer tan. I take long lunch breaks in the sun on your dollar.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

 

[besada]

LOL that made me laugh out loud.

I'm not actually kidding.

 

[Novid]

From a S&P Finance Posting (Dont ask me where I got it)

09:36 15Jul11 RTRS-S&P PLACES U.S. 'AAA/A-1+' RTGS ON CREDITWATCH NEGATIVE
09:37 15Jul11 RTRS-RPT-S&P PLACES U.S. RATINGS ON CREDIT WATCH NEGATIVE
09:38 15Jul11 RTRS-S&P SAYS AT LEAST A 1 IN 2 CHANCE IT COULD CUT RATING
09:38 15Jul11 RTRS-S&P SAYS POLITICAL DEBATE ON DEBT CEILING A SIGNIFICANT UNCERTAINTY
09:39 15Jul11 RTRS-S&P SAYS SEES INCREASING RISK OF POLICY STALEMATE
09:39 15Jul11 RTRS-S&P SAYS COULD LOWER U.S. RATINGS WITHIN 3 MONTHS

The one bolded is the one of most import. 3 Months.

 

[RustyNails]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...36-hoursbefore-our-next-meeting.php?ref=fpblg

Someone got dressed down.

Cantor thought he could throw his weight around because the GOP controls the house. He had a sad realization today that the buck stops at the President's desk.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

It seems unfair to pick on people who are clearly on the autism spectrum.

I'm sorry, but that comment seems beneath you. You've disappointed me.
And you're gonna have to live with that for a while.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

So was I. Thanks to your disastrous Republican economy over the last decade, I got marginalized so much that I had to leave the state I was in to find another job. I wish you had been working where I was and gotten fired instead of what they did to me since you apparently hold such a disdain for government work.

That's not nice Crisis. I don't hold disdain for government or its employees. And I never wish bad on anyone. We just have differing opinions on the reaches of government and how it's run.

 

[Chichikov]

It seems unfair to pick on people who are clearly on the autism spectrum.

No need for name calling.
If there are people that you don't find arguing with enjoyable or productive, just don't it.
That's what I do.

No. I'm a faithful guberment employee.

So your beef with Obama that he hasn't cur public sector salaries?
I'm seriously asking.
(also, did he? and what sector? just out of curiosity).

But I DO have a killer tan. I take long lunch breaks in the sun on your dollar.

Good for you.
Seriously.
I think almost all workers should enjoy better working conditions, even those I disagree with politically.

p.s.
How much of a killer tan are we talking about?
For example, do they ask for your papers when you visit Arizona?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

You are aware that there are conservatives in government, right?

 

[Oblivion]

That's not nice Crisis. I don't hold disdain for government or its employees. And I never wish bad on anyone. We just have differing opinions on the reaches of government and how it's run.

So assuming you were serious about being a federal employee, and you support people who actively try and make people like you take the hit on your pay check, you really are one of those 'keep your government hands off my medicare' people, aren't you?

 

[besada]

I'm sorry, but that comment seems beneath you. You've disappointed me.
And you're gonna have to live with that for a while.

That's okay. You're unaware of the history. Just like you, BS joined the happy PoliGAF family like a belligerent asshole, and like you, I made an effort to treat him seriously and with respect. When I concluded that he had a real problem in understanding the impression he was making, I told him as politely as I could, and then stopped responding to him, because it made me uncomfortable beating on someone who clearly didn't comprehend how he was coming across. I warned him his behavior would likely garner him a ban, which it did.

I have multiple relatives on the spectrum, and my reaction to most of his posts is keen embarrassment on his behalf. My nephew, a brilliant kid, is the same way. He's just not capable of modeling the emotional reactions of others, which causes his posts, like BS's to be full of unwarranted braggadocio, personal attacks, and complaints about how other people react to what he's said.

You, on the other hand, clearly understand the likely responses to each of your posts, as you take joy in poking people in the eye, which I can totally agree with. Do it all the time, myself. And neither of us gets upset or frustrated when people respond poorly, because thats what we wanted and expected. BigSicily is a totally different beast.

 

[state-of-the-art]

After spending some time in government, I realized that it is not at all uncommon for people who do not believe in the government to be working for the government.

 

[mckmas8808]

From a S&P Finance Posting (Dont ask me where I got it)



The one bolded is the one of most import. 3 Months.

Shits getting more real.

 

[adamsappel]

The notion that she's "too crazy" to win is kind of naive. George W. Bush is a nutcase, we all knew it, and he won.

You're the crazy one. Nobody ever thought W. was a nutcase. Stupid, ideologically-blinded, recalcitrant, etc., but not loopy in the way that Bachmann clearly is.

2002 were historic gains, for many reasons, but it was a component. 2003 saw statistically significant gains in local elections Alex Gage worked on and confirmed it. 2004 saw wide-scale implementation of it to great effect, the democrats got on-board with similar efforts afterwards and it's now more common place.

To diminish the history is to just prove your ignorance. It's really a shame that instead of just not commenting if you: (a) know nothing of which you speak, (b) have nothing to add, you feel you must put down the comment with the limited capacity you have.

In your spare time, instead of the internet porn addition, you should read up on Rove and Gage... it's a neat history.

I find BigSicily's "why u so stupid?" posts amusing, because his verbose screeds are always riddled with grammatical errors.

 

[Crisis]

After spending some time in government, I realized that it is not at all uncommon for people who do not believe in the government to be working for the government.

That's actually true from my experience, and I don't respect any of them.

 

[TacticalFox88]

After spending some time in government, I realized that it is not at all uncommon for people who do not believe in the government to be working for the government.

....Wait, they literally think they don't work for the government?

 

[eznark]

After spending some time in government, I realized that it is not at all uncommon for people who do not believe in the government to be working for the government.

Why is that surprising? You think everyone who works at Wal Mart loves Wal Mart?

 

[Byakuya769]

It seems unfair to pick on people who are clearly on the autism spectrum.

... my man.

 

[Oblivion]

Why is that surprising? You think everyone who works at Wal Mart loves Wal Mart?

He whines about having to take a pay cut, while supporting the guys who want to make sure he gets a pay cut!

 

[eznark]

He whines about having to take a pay cut, while supporting the guys who want to make sure he gets a pay cut!

Yes, that is dumb. But not the same as not liking the government you work for.

 

[Crisis]

....Wait, they literally think they don't work for the government?

No. You'll hear like, Libertarians and hard-line Republicans say and do stupid shit like complain about a proposed change in existing health care for state employees that makes it easier to add a dependent to the coverage when they do the exact same thing already or will do the exact same thing.

 

[state-of-the-art]

....Wait, they literally think they don't work for the government?

No. They are people who are the quintessential tea party conservatives who buy into the "government is not the solution, government is the problem." Despite this they do not believe it is hypocritical to be on a government payroll, using medicare, etc.

An anecdotal example would be my former supervisor during my time in the Air Force. He hates Obamacare and socialism and is an admitted fan of Ayn Rand, but he loves Tricare, the 30 days of leave he's entitled to every year, as well as the guaranteed annual pay raises. Yet he hates, socialism and parasitic welfare queens, taxes, unions, etc.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

No need for name calling.
If there are people that you don't find arguing with enjoyable or productive, just don't it.
That's what I do.


So your beef with Obama that he hasn't cur public sector salaries?
I'm seriously asking.
(also, did he? and what sector? just out of curiosity).

Good for you.
Seriously.
I think almost all workers should enjoy better working conditions, even those I disagree with politically.

p.s.
How much of a killer tan are we talking about?
For example, do they ask for your papers when you visit Arizona?


You are aware that there are conservatives in government, right?

My "sorta" beef with Obama was his grandstanding, pointless freezing of federal salaries for at least 2 years to make it appear as though he's getting serious about budget issues. Yay! It will save a whopping $6 billion. And he did this with no negotiations or input from employees. None. Contrast that to his position on unionized state employees. "I think it's very important for us to understand that public employees, they're our neighbors, they're our friends. They make a lot of sacrifices and make a big contribution. And I think it's important not to vilify them or to suggest that somehow all these budget problems are due to public employees." Riiiiiight.
Basically, he's given me a reason to work hard on my tan this year.

 

[state-of-the-art]

Why is that surprising? You think everyone who works at Wal Mart loves Wal Mart?

I don't think it's surprising. Just hypocritical.

 

[Byakuya769]

My "sorta" beef with Obama was his grandstanding, pointless freezing of federal salaries for at least 2 years to make it appear as though he's getting serious about budget issues. Yay! It will save a whopping $6 billion. And he did this with no negotiations or input from employees. None. Contrast that to his position on unionized state employees. "I think it's very important for us to understand that public employees, they're our neighbors, they're our friends. They make a lot of sacrifices and make a big contribution. And I think it's important not to vilify them or to suggest that somehow all these budget problems are due to public employees." Riiiiiight.
Basically, he's given me a reason to work hard on my tan this year.

This is borderline insane.

 

[Clevinger]

As a conservative i don't think so. conservatism is dieing. As the old die the young are not going to grow up to be conservative. Kids already don't believe you have to work for what you get.

All liberals here in the states have to do is keep pushing their message and wait.

in 25 years i assume the parties are going to be Democrat - Liberal - Socialist. with Democrat the new evil here on GAF.. If Gaf still exists.

It doesn't have to die. Republicans can stop treating Hispanics, who tend to be socially conservative, like human garbage and it could thrive in the future. Jeb Bush and some others are trying to hammer that point home, but so far to no avail.

 

[jamesinclair]

This is borderline insane.

 

[Byakuya769]

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Exactly!

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

That's okay. You're unaware of the history. Just like you, BS joined the happy PoliGAF family like a belligerent asshole, and like you, I made an effort to treat him seriously and with respect. When I concluded that he had a real problem in understanding the impression he was making, I told him as politely as I could, and then stopped responding to him, because it made me uncomfortable beating on someone who clearly didn't comprehend how he was coming across. I warned him his behavior would likely garner him a ban, which it did.

I have multiple relatives on the spectrum, and my reaction to most of his posts is keen embarrassment on his behalf. My nephew, a brilliant kid, is the same way. He's just not capable of modeling the emotional reactions of others, which causes his posts, like BS's to be full of unwarranted braggadocio, personal attacks, and complaints about how other people react to what he's said.

You, on the other hand, clearly understand the likely responses to each of your posts, as you take joy in poking people in the eye, which I can totally agree with. Do it all the time, myself. And neither of us gets upset or frustrated when people respond poorly, because thats what we wanted and expected. BigSicily is a totally different beast.

Well damn. I actually agree with you. The dude has thin skin. I think it really bothers him when people don't take him seriously-or even question him. I think he's a smart guy. You may be surprised by this, but I actually agree with many of his posts.
But, he has to learn that if he wants to be taken seriously and persuade anyone to consider his opinion, he's going about it the wrong way.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I'm not actually kidding.

I know and that is why it made me laugh.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

This is borderline insane.

How could it be? I lifted that argument from the WSJ. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703530504576164822561737348.html
I want my rights, dammit.

 

[Chichikov]

My "sorta" beef with Obama was his grandstanding, pointless freezing of federal salaries for at least 2 years to make it appear as though he's getting serious about budget issues. Yay! It will save a whopping $6 billion. And he did this with no negotiations or input from employees. None. Contrast that to his position on unionized state employees. "I think it's very important for us to understand that public employees, they're our neighbors, they're our friends. They make a lot of sacrifices and make a big contribution. And I think it's important not to vilify them or to suggest that somehow all these budget problems are due to public employees." Riiiiiight.
Basically, he's given me a reason to work hard on my tan this year.

I agree 100%.
And like most of America, I forgot about the federal workers.

Out of curiosity (and potential future identity theft!) what is your job?

Edit: for what it's worth (and at the risk of sounding condescending), I think you have every right to be personally pissed at Obama over this.

This is borderline insane.

Reply to the post, not the poster.

 

[Clevinger]

My "sorta" beef with Obama was his grandstanding, pointless freezing of federal salaries for at least 2 years to make it appear as though he's getting serious about budget issues. Yay! It will save a whopping $6 billion. And he did this with no negotiations or input from employees. None. Contrast that to his position on unionized state employees. "I think it's very important for us to understand that public employees, they're our neighbors, they're our friends. They make a lot of sacrifices and make a big contribution. And I think it's important not to vilify them or to suggest that somehow all these budget problems are due to public employees." Riiiiiight.
Basically, he's given me a reason to work hard on my tan this year.

I agree with you. It was dumb and useless and shameful. Though I do hope your ire also goes to all the Republicans across the country right now who are fucking over public employees every chance they get.

 

[jamesinclair]

Reply to the post, not the poster.

But thats what he did.

"This (argument) is borderline insane"
vs
"You are borderline insane"

 

[Byakuya769]

I agree 100%.
Reply to the post, not the poster.

Yes, Mr. Officer.

That response was appropriate to the post, had nothing do with who did or didn't post it.

But thats what he did.

"This (argument) is borderline insane"
vs
"You are borderline insane"

This is noteworthy as well.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

I agree 100%.
And I, like most of America, forgot about the federal workers.

Out of curiosity (and potential future identity theft!) what is your job?


Reply to the post, not the poster.

I'm a little uncomfortable saying my exact job, but I'm a molecular biologist. (I can't be that stupid, right?)
Thanks for your replies. I must admit that I'm not really upset about getting a pay freeze. I often feel guilty for the pay I do get in these tough times. I think federal salaries have far exceeded the private sector. I just think there is some hypocrisy in Obama's handling/viewpoint of unionized public workers vs non-unionized public workers. Am I wrong?
And I'm just messing about my tanning at work. My workplace doesn't even have a window in it. I get my sun on the weekends.

 

[jamesinclair]

I just think there is some hypocrisy in Obama's handling/viewpoint of unionized public workers vs non-unionized public workers. Am I wrong?
.

Are there laws stopping you from unionizing? And if so, which party placed those limitations?

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Are there laws stopping you from unionizing? And if so, which party placed those limitations?

Oh, I'm sure it was the Democrats.
But really...
I agree with FDR. I don't think unions have any place in public service. Tell me why FDR was wrong.

 

[Oblivion]

My "sorta" beef with Obama was his grandstanding, pointless freezing of federal salaries for at least 2 years to make it appear as though he's getting serious about budget issues. Yay! It will save a whopping $6 billion. And he did this with no negotiations or input from employees. None. Contrast that to his position on unionized state employees. "I think it's very important for us to understand that public employees, they're our neighbors, they're our friends. They make a lot of sacrifices and make a big contribution. And I think it's important not to vilify them or to suggest that somehow all these budget problems are due to public employees." Riiiiiight.
Basically, he's given me a reason to work hard on my tan this year.

Okay, Bullbo, my man. Being serious here for sec.

I can understand you being angry at Obama for the reasons you stated. But as I mentioned before, it makes little sense to support those that want to make your situation even worse. As an example, I didn't like a lot of the things that my mom did, though even during the times when she was at her bitchiest, I never once thought to side with my worthless father who gleefully wished my death at every opportunity, and threw shoes at me for fun.

Just something to think about.

 

[Chichikov]

I'm a little uncomfortable saying my exact job, but I'm a molecular biologist. (I can't be that stupid, right?)
Thanks for your replies. I must admit that I'm not really upset about getting a pay freeze. I often feel guilty for the pay I do get in these tough times. I think federal salaries have far exceeded the private sector. I just think there is some hypocrisy in Obama's handling/viewpoint of unionized public workers vs non-unionized public workers. Am I wrong?
And I'm just messing about my tanning at work. My workplace doesn't even have a window in it. I get my sun on the weekends.

As far as I'm concerned, you're developing human animal hybrid super-soldiers at Los Alamos.
This is my story and I'm sticking with it.

Yes, Mr. Officer.

That response was appropriate to the post, had nothing do with who did or didn't post it.

Oh, sorry, my bad.
So you disagree with him?
Why?

Oh, I'm sure it was the Democrats.
But really...
I agree with FDR. I don't think unions have any place in public service. Tell me why FDR was wrong.

Because our government is dysfunctional, and at times, don't deal with labor in good faith (hmmm, if only I had a recent example, maybe something we've just discussed... oh well).
On the theoretical level, yes, I agree, we are all the employers of federal workers, and what's more fair than all of us deciding on this, right?
(though even that is a rather weak argument, but that's a whole different discussion).
So I've been meaning to ask, where do you stand on the Mine Safety and Health retirement compensation levels?

It's a practical call through and through.

 

[ViperVisor]

Two lies I'm sick of hearing, so shut up already with them

2. FDR opposed public-sector unions. FALSE...
LETTER TEXT
FDR did not ask them to disband, he did not tell them to stop bargaining, he did not revoke their right to bargain. Instead, FDR celebrated the success of the federal employees' union, and encouraged them to continue in their civil, moderated behavior. So shut up.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

As far as I'm concerned, you're developing human animal hybrid super-soldiers at Los Alamos.
This is my story and I'm sticking with it.


Oh, sorry, my bad.
So you disagree with him?
Why?

Because our government is dysfunctional, and at times, don't deal with labor in good faith (hmmm, if only I had a recent example, maybe something we've just discussed... oh well).
On the theoretical level, yes, I agree, we are all the employers of federal workers, and what's more fair than all of us deciding on this, right?
So I've been meaning to ask, where do you stand on the Mine Safety and Health retirement compensation levels?

It's a practical call through and through.

Your story is a lot more boring than what I'm actually doing.

I know nothing about miner compensation levels. But I have respect for anyone who can do that job.

 

[Byakuya769]

Oh, sorry, my bad.
So you disagree with him?
Why?

This is the part where you ask "do you know why I pulled you over?"

It's self-evident why I disagree with him.

 

[FLEABttn]

Yay! It will save a whopping $6 billion.

To be fair, that's my response when I hear people talk about eliminating the Department of Education or the Department of Energy, and then I'm told that every little bit counts.

My Dad's NNSA and is taking a $15k paycut next year. He's not pleased.