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[StopMakingSense]

That's not the discussion we're having. The cartoon was Obama, who represents the federal government, not a state, and we're talking about a federal deficit. But if you want to still talk about state taxes and sales taxes, keep fucking that chicken.

And you ignored all the other posts that brought up federal taxes.

 

[Big Baybee]

Boehner is making me very angry............

 

[Kosmo]

Tolerance? Tea Party? Does not compute.

You must have been asleep for the people carrying these signs a few years back:

 

[jamesinclair]

RAGE RAISING!!!!!!!!! ARGH! So is this the week the GOP in the House decided to blow shit the fuck up? How can moderate conservatives even explain this crap by their party?

Because the other party doesnt have the balls to buy TV commercials and air


"This week in GOP idiocy" in prime time every week.

"Tune in this week to see how the GOP's inability to pass a procedural motion has resulted in 4,000 lost jobs, delays at airports, and chaos for travelers!'

 

[GaimeGuy]

Nothing. Which is why I'm golfing every day this week and not worrying about it. Why are you losing sleep over this - politicians will not fuck themselves out of being re-elected.

oh really? Because we've alreaady hit the debt ceiling, we're just using accounting tricks to bullshit the numbers. We run out of accounting tricks in 10 days. at that point, we are fucked.

ten days away. and youu think there's nothign to worry about. Even if by some miracle something gets passed, you are fucking delusional for not recognizing this craziness occuring right in front of you. We have a lit match held over a propane tank right now. It gets dropped in less than 240 hours.

 

[Godslay]

That's not the discussion we're having. The cartoon was Obama, who represents the federal government, not a state, and we're talking about a federal deficit. But if you want to still talk about state taxes and sales taxes, keep fucking that chicken.

You are skirting around the point as a whole.

 

[scorcho]

hmm. amazed that NPR cut off Boehner's talk so abruptly for station identification.

You are skirting around the point as a whole.

he has a interest in seeing me fuck a chicken. nothing wrong with that.

 

[Vestal]

LOL FIRST QUESTION JUST OWNED BOHNER! HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[cartoon_soldier]

You must have been asleep for the people carrying these signs a few years back:

Those people never held the country hostage to their madness nor were they ever elected en masse to the Congress

 

[teruterubozu]

You must have been asleep for the people carrying these signs a few years back:

That's just one dude ripping one dude, not a "governing" party ripping entire populations of America.

 

[Big Baybee]

His eyes are red like he's been crying.

 

[ElectricThunder]

FAA funding ends at midnight; almost 4,000 at FAA to be furloughed
By Carol Cratty, CNN Senior Producer

RAGE RAISING!!!!!!!!! ARGH! So is this the week the GOP in the House decided to blow shit the fuck up? How can moderate conservatives even explain this crap by their party?

Damn it all, I remember hearing about this earlier in the week but here we are! Gotta throw everything at those nebulous Union boogiemen!

Even in the worst case, IIRC, some of the critical personnel keep at it----bound to be some idiots then spouting about how stuff is "fine still, see gov't was bad~"

I'm guessing shit is going to ramp up even worse next week, to say nothing of whatever else drops over the weekend/gets buried in the cycle later tonight then everybody recoils in horror at when it is too late. : (

 

[scorcho]

as much as i dislike Boehner, i have to admire that man's dedication to a dark tan and sultry voice.

 

[Pctx]

Oh Im way past being tolerant when it comes to that group sorry.. Too crazy to be taken serious..


I mean these people actually believe that allowing the raise of the Debt Ceiling is a compromise.


Or how some of these dumbasses believe that just don't raise it, everything will be fine.

Then I suppose a constructive conversation is out of the question.

Fuck the tea party. I know republicans who say the same.

Doesn't make it right.

Tolerance? Tea Party? Does not compute.

Lead by example.

Whats funny is I wander in and out of the PoliGAF threads and see such polarized viewpoints of which is what the national conversation is all about. It's unfortunate that political activism on a purely idealistic model seems to be dead in this country since everyone is so caught up in the rhetoric of what buzz word people spit out next... regardless of race, sexual orientation or gender. This republic was built on the notion that debate is part of it but name calling, polarized view points and slander (on either side) does not help anyone.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Come on, overreacting much?

No he's not.

If u think he is, then you need to come of out that rock you have been living under in.

 

[Oblivion]

You must have been asleep for the people carrying these signs a few years back:

Damn, son. Hitting the overdrive button on the false equivalencies today, aren't we?

 

[jamesinclair]

nom nom nom

 

[balladofwindfishes]

An update on the deal Boehner walked out on

President Obama laid out a sketch of the terms he and Boehner were working on. He said the plan included $1 trillion in domestic and defense cuts and $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs.

The part that Boehner objected to came in the way of $1.2 trillion in revenue increases that the president said "could be accomplished by eliminating loopholes and deductions" in a "tax reform process."

The president said the tax increases were less than what the bi-partisan "Gang of Six" plan called for. Obama said it was an "extraordinarily fair deal."

 

[BotoxAgent]

You must have been asleep for the people carrying these signs a few years back:

the difference is democrats disown these types of people. Republicans--they have a few holding office and having the same views.

 

[scorcho]

the biggest issue is that Obama's willing to abandon political ideology (though some could argue that he doesn't really adhere to one) while Boehner, Cantor and the GOP can't.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Then I suppose a constructive conversation is out of the question.


Doesn't make it right.


Lead by example.

Whats funny is I wander in and out of the PoliGAF threads and see such polarized viewpoints of which is what the national conversation is all about. It's unfortunate that political activism on a purely idealistic model seems to be dead in this country since everyone is so caught up in the rhetoric of what buzz word people spit out next... regardless of race, sexual orientation or gender. This republic was built on the notion that debate is part of it but name calling, polarized view points and slander (on either side) does not help anyone.

what the fuck. The founding fathers had fucking duels to the death. Don't talk to me about polarization when you're just spouting bullshit.

 

[Kosmo]

oh really? Because we've alreaady hit the debt ceiling, we're just using accounting tricks to bullshit the numbers. We run out of accounting tricks in 10 days. at that point, we are fucked.

ten days away. and youu think there's nothign to worry about. Even if by some miracle something gets passed, you are fucking delusional for not recognizing this craziness occuring right in front of you. We have a lit match held over a propane tank right now. It gets dropped in less than 240 hours.

You know what, we tell out debt holders "Hey, fuck you. You know all that policing we've been doing of the world for the last 60 years and the foreign aid we've provided? We're calling it even, thanks."

NOTHING is going to happen.

 

[Pctx]

I'd love to hear as to why (from a different viewpoint than my own) as to why we need raises in taxes.... anyone care to give their opinion?

edit:

what the fuck. The founding fathers had fucking duels to the death. Don't talk to me about polarization when you're just spouting bullshit.

So you're saying we should come full circle then? Great.

 

[Enron]

The cute blond girl on CNN said that the White House pulled back and started asking for more in the way of tax revenue than they previously had once the "Gang of Six" jumped in.

 

[RustyNails]

I'm glad we're a tolerant bunch here at NeoGAF to be beyond name calling.

Is that what you care about?

The debt deal just fell through. Speaker walked out of the meeting with the President when we were inches away from the deal. The country is about to default again. And you're worried that a bunch of raging lunatics who has GOP by it's scrotum are being insulted?

 

[Vestal]

Then I suppose a constructive conversation is out of the question.


Doesn't make it right.


Lead by example.

Whats funny is I wander in and out of the PoliGAF threads and see such polarized viewpoints of which is what the national conversation is all about. It's unfortunate that political activism on a purely idealistic model seems to be dead in this country since everyone is so caught up in the rhetoric of what buzz word people spit out next... regardless of race, sexual orientation or gender. This republic was built on the notion that debate is part of it but name calling, polarized view points and slander (on either side) does not help anyone.

How can you have debate when 1 side is UNWILLING to move out of their position.

You have Democrats willing to take a huge hit by allowing Cuts in Entitlements.. Then you have the Republicans who wont fucking touch Taxes.... Not to mention the abomination they passed a few days ago..

to top it all off, just listen to what Bohner just said.. The same shit they have been spewing for weeks, JOB CREATORS cant tax the Job creators.. WHAT JOBS HAVE THEY CREATED since the Bush Tax cuts?!?!?!

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I'd love to hear as to why (from a different viewpoint than my own) as to why we need raises in taxes.... anyone care to give their opinion?

Because raising taxes is a part of the solution to decrease debt...?

See top chart, bush tax cuts expiration hits in 2012 currently:

 

[teruterubozu]

Then I suppose a constructive conversation is out of the question.


Doesn't make it right.


Lead by example.

Whats funny is I wander in and out of the PoliGAF threads and see such polarized viewpoints of which is what the national conversation is all about. It's unfortunate that political activism on a purely idealistic model seems to be dead in this country since everyone is so caught up in the rhetoric of what buzz word people spit out next... regardless of race, sexual orientation or gender. This republic was built on the notion that debate is part of it but name calling, polarized view points and slander (on either side) does not help anyone.

But if you just walk out without debating, then what options do you have?

 

[Pctx]

Is that what you care about?

The debt deal just fell through. Speaker walked out of the meeting with the President when we were inches away from the deal. The country is about to default again. And you're worried that a bunch of raging lunatics who has GOP by it's scrotum are being insulted?

The way we treat people matters a great deal to me actually and should matter to you as well.

 

[Godslay]

You know what, we tell out debt holders "Hey, fuck you. You know all that policing we've been doing of the world for the last 60 years and the foreign aid we've provided? We're calling it even, thanks."

NOTHING is going to happen.

American people. Debt holders. Are they related? Hahahahhaha.

 

[scorcho]

You know what, we tell out debt holders "Hey, fuck you. You know all that policing we've been doing of the world for the last 60 years and the foreign aid we've provided? We're calling it even, thanks."

NOTHING is going to happen.

i think global finance gives fuck all about self-righteous concepts like American Exceptionalism.

 

[Crisis]

What a bunch of outrageous bullshit.

 

[Vestal]

I'd love to hear as to why (from a different viewpoint than my own) as to why we need raises in taxes.... anyone care to give their opinion?

edit:

So you're saying we should come full circle then? Great.

Why?!?! Because the Fed needs more revenue.. Because the bush Tax cuts have really hurt the ability to control the debt.. Because there are too many loopholes in the tax code for the fat cats.


Because right now.. the top 1% is making too much fucking money compared to the rest of america, while at the same time hardly INVESTING it in the country.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Sounds like this is just Boehner sending signals to his base. They aren't going to give Obama his victory, so they'll take the smaller Gang of Six deal.

 

[RustyNails]

The way we treat people matters a great deal to me actually and should matter to you as well.

I'm sorry but I won't afford the courtesy to a reckless bunch of selfish individuals who want nothing more than the president to fall and the country to slip. Just because they have political clout does not mean whack.

 

[jamesinclair]

I'd love to hear as to why (from a different viewpoint than my own) as to why we need raises in taxes.... anyone care to give their opinion?

In 2001, when we had a surplus Bush said that we should cut taxes because "the government is overcharging the american people".

We weren't underpending, we were overcharging.


After the massive tax cuts, we find ourselves in a place where we have a deficit.

Logic holds that we aren't overspending, we're undercharging.

That holds true. Someone wants to link that cartoon/chart showing that as a percentage of GDP....we've never spent less on the good stuff?



Or lets use everybodys favorite

Spoiler

idiotic

small business example.

If a small business is losing money because the chicken costs $4 to buy, and you're selling it at $3.50 do you...

a) Raise the price
or
b) Stop serving chicken breast and start serving chicken feet, to hold the price steady

 

[Pctx]

How can you have debate when 1 side is UNWILLING to move out of their position.

You have Democrats willing to take a huge hit by allowing Cuts in Entitlements.. Then you have the Republicans who wont fucking touch Taxes.... Not to mention the abomination they passed a few days ago..

to top it all off, just listen to what Bohner just said.. The same shit they have been spewing for weeks, JOB CREATORS cant tax the Job creators.. WHAT JOBS HAVE THEY CREATED since the Bush Tax cuts?!?!?!

I'm not defending Bohner... he's not a real leader anyways... in fact, we do not have leadership at all in this country which is part of the bigger problem.

But if you just walk out without debating, then what options do you have?

Default I suppose.

Because raising taxes is a part of the solution to decrease debt...?

Taxes do decrease the debt but what is the point of spending any more on entitlements or military?

 

[Vestal]

Sounds like this is just Boehner sending signals to his base. They aren't going to give Obama his victory, so they'll take the smaller Gang of Six deal.

My problem with the Gang of 6 deal is that it the whole thing can't be finished before the 2nd. therefore it will all get cluttered up in smoke and mirrors and at the end we will probably be back in this same fucking spot when the deadline comes up again.

 

[teruterubozu]

Default I suppose.

Ah I see. Recommence name-calling.

 

[Kosmo]

Why?!?! Because the Fed needs more revenue.. Because the bush Tax cuts have really hurt the ability to control the debt.. Because there are too many loopholes in the tax code for the fat cats.


Because right now.. the top 1% is making too much fucking money compared to the rest of america, while at the same time hardly INVESTING it in the country.

Fed needs to spend less (military, Medicare, SS, employees, all of it). .

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Maybe a quick laugh might cool things down

Fox News begs the question
Are there really poor people in the US

Spoiler

Maybe not... but uhhh... there it is

 

[Cyan]

You know what, we tell out debt holders "Hey, fuck you. You know all that policing we've been doing of the world for the last 60 years and the foreign aid we've provided? We're calling it even, thanks."

NOTHING is going to happen.

wat

 

[ChoklitReign]

Boehner's response:
“In the end, we couldn’t connect. Not because of different personalities, but because of different visions for our country,” Boehner said in a letter to colleagues. He said Mr. Obama ” is emphatic that taxes have to be raised” and “adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs.”

“For these reasons, I have decided to end discussions with the White House and begin conversations with the leaders of the Senate in an effort to find a path forward,” he said.
Boehner letter

First, I though Obama wanted tax revenue increases - possibly through tax reform but not necessarily tax raises. Is Boehner opposed to any increases in revenue like Norquist? Second, why do we need fundamental changes to entitlements?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Taxes do decrease the debt but what is the point of spending any more on entitlements or military?

Really?

So you are fine with not having a program that helps insure children of families who otherwise can't afford the amounts charged by insurance companies?

 

[Kosmo]

wat

The banksters will hold you by the balls as long as you let them. Unfortunately, our government is run by them, so that will never happen.

 

[Enron]

So Boehner just confirmed what cute CNN girl said earlier - the President had agreed to x amount in revenue increase, then came back a day later and changed his demands?

 

[mckmas8808]

Oh Im way past being tolerant when it comes to that group sorry.. Too crazy to be taken serious..


I mean these people actually believe that allowing the raise of the Debt Ceiling is a compromise.


Or how some of these dumbasses believe that just don't raise it, everything will be fine.

Or some of them believe in lowering the debt ceiling. Crazy I know.

 

[PhoenixDark]

My problem with the Gang of 6 deal is that it the whole thing can't be finished before the 2nd. therefore it will all get cluttered up in smoke and mirrors and at the end we will probably be back in this same fucking spot when the deadline comes up again.

You're right, there's not enough time to score the bill, pass it, send it to conference, pass it again, etc. I tend to think republicans chose to run this process out the minute Obama gave a deadline; that way they get to snidely point out the world didn't blow up like Obama said it would, blah blah blah. It's certainly possible we won't default on August 3rd, as we don't know if the WH has been telling the full truth here.

I'm pretty surprised the markets haven't reacted harshly in one fell swoop yet.

 

[polyh3dron]

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

lol I am listening to Mark Levin and wow lol Apparently Obama hates capitalism lol