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Re: this election: oh god, what the fuck

 

[SolKane]

So the results won't be in tonight?

 

[Vanillalite]

What'll be funny is if the Dems win the seat despite the allegations already starting about voter fraud, and bad voter counting.

So the results won't be in tonight?

Quite frankly we really won't know shit for weeks IMO.

 

[gcubed]

So the results won't be in tonight?

The chances of the dem picking up the third seat are very very low. Go to sleep in peace

 

[Particle Physicist]

What'll be funny is if the Dems win the seat despite the allegations already starting about voter fraud, and bad voter counting.

If they win or lose, it doesn't matter, the way Kathy Nickolaus handles the votes is a disgrace.

 

[Piecake]

If they win or lose, it doesn't matter, the way Kathy Nickolaus handles the votes is a disgrace.

Yup, I don't think this is a term I have used before, but she is unAmerican. Absolutely disgusting

 

[gcubed]

What has she done that is so bad besides being an attention whore?

 

[Ulairi]

Yup, I don't think this is a term I have used before, but she is unAmerican. Absolutely disgusting

And, what specifically has she done wrong tonight and I'd like to see your evidence for your beliefs.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I don't think I said that. I just said the vast majority has come from the Dems, which is true.

Source?

 

[Oblivion]

Wait, the Dems lost the other 4 seats? I thought we were still waiting on those.

 

[Ulairi]

What has she done that is so bad besides being an attention whore?

Being the county clerk for a very conservative county in close elections.

 

[speculawyer]

I listened to the Fresh Air Bachmann piece. Damn, she is even more crazy than I thought.

 

[Suikoguy]

And, what specifically has she done wrong tonight and I'd like to see your evidence for your beliefs.

We don't even need any evidence from this election to make allegations.
How she still has her job after the travesty from the last...

 

[Ulairi]

Source?

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/LiberalRecallMoneyMatrix.jpg

 

[Particle Physicist]

Being the county clerk for a very conservative county in close elections.

Or how about:

Just one year ago, county officials ordered an audit of Waukesha County’s outdated election system after Nickolaus removed election data from county computers and installed them on personal computers in her office. Even before this issue, Nickolaus was resistant to an independent and thorough review of her election system.

and

The Waukesha County Board also heavily criticized the clerk after she brushed aside their recommendations for improving election security. At one point during a hearing in January, board chairman Jim Dwyer grew exasperated with Nickolaus and said, "There really is nothing funny about this, Kathy. Don't sit there and grin when I'm explaining what this is about."

"Wisconsin deserves elections that are fair, clean and transparent," said Scot Ross, the executive director of the progressive advocacy group One Wisconsin Now. "There is a history of secrecy and partisanship surrounding the Waukesha County Clerk and there remain unanswered questions."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/114014589.html

 

[Matt]

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/LiberalRecallMoneyMatrix.jpg

Well, that's that then. I mean, how could we not trust a chart from the Heritage Foundation?

 

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14million out of 30 million does not equal vast majority

 

[Averon]

Looks like Dems will fall short one seat. They better hope they can hold their two seats up next week. If not, this whole recall will be a wash for them.

 

[Ulairi]

14million out of 30 million does not equal vast majority

This is just outside money. When you factor in the others, it's about 20 million to 10 million but if you don't trust the one source you won't trust the 20/30 number either. Again, this could be wrong but these are the only numbers I've seen.

 

[SolKane]

The $31 million spent on the recalls—the six August 9 elections and two more targeting Democratic state senators on August 16—splits evenly between left- and right-leaning groups. Where the spending is lopsided, McCabe says, is between the candidates and outside spending groups. In-state and out-of-state independent advocacy groups have dropped five times more than the candidates. Not that the candidates are struggling: GOP state Sens. Alberta Darling and Dan Kapanke have both smashed the state senate spending record of $722,000 in their recall races; so far, Darling has spent more than $1 million and Kapanke more than $800,000. (For comparison, the average winning congressional campaign in 2010 cost $1.4 million, a figure Darling could exceed.)

The biggest spender on the Democratic side is We Are Wisconsin, a coalition of labor unions. Campaign finance filings show about $8.8 million in spending by the group so far. Other Democratic groups include the Greater Wisconsin Committee, a liberal advocacy organization that has pumped roughly $1.5 million into the recalls to date, and the state's main teachers' union, the Wisconsin Education Association Council, whose spending McCabe puts at about $500,000. Obama for America, the president's reelection committee, is also involved in the recalls, organizing volunteers for get-out-the-vote drives.

The conservative playing field is more scattered. Instead of one powerhouse coalition, numerous conservative outfits have trained their sights on a few individual recall races, rather than blanketing the state. The Republican State Leadership Committee, a group devoted to electing GOPers at the state level, has zeroed in on the Green Bay TV market, McCabe says, hoping to boost GOP Sen. Rob Cowles' chances against former Brown County Executive Nancy Nusbaum. Two groups with ties to the Koch brothers, Americans for Prosperity and Citizens for a Stronger America, have poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into TV ads, direct mail, and more. The Club for Growth, a fiscally conservative advocacy group, has also been active in Wisconsin's TV markets, McCabe says.

While the spending is more or less even, here's the big difference between the two sides: The left-leaning groups usually disclose their donors, while the right-leaning groups mostly don't. For McCabe, the geyser of dark money is the big story of the recalls. He says two-thirds of the recall spending derives from undisclosed sources, and he blames the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision for allowing so much anonymous spending.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/wisconsin-recall-americans-prosperity-dark-money

Candidate fundraising stats available here:

http://www.wisdc.org/pro11recall.php

 

[Ulairi]

It would be really interesting to see the dollar/vote breakdown from these recall elections.

 

[Vanillalite]

Quite frankly at this point does it matter how the final few votes come down if the voter fraud accusation is there? We won't really know shit until all of that is sorted out which could be weeks and weeks from now.

PS: I'm only still awake cause I wanted a late night bowl of cereal.

 

[Ulairi]

Quite frankly at this point does it matter how the final few votes come down if the voter fraud accusation is there? We won't really know shit until all of that is sorted out which could be weeks and weeks from now.

PS: I'm only still awake cause I wanted a late night bowl of cereal.

Everyone know there would be voter fraud allegations. It only matters if .5% is the spread.

 

[Ulairi]

why are the milwaukee wards taking so long to get in? Must be Democratic county clerks trying to screw the election! They want to see what the one ward in Menomonee falls does! GAL! THIEVES!

 

[Particle Physicist]

why are the milwaukee wards taking so long to get in? Must be Democratic county clerks trying to screw the election! They want to see what the one ward in Menomonee falls does! GAL! THIEVES!

Are Milwaukee ward votes kept on one persons old ass personal computer without independent oversight?

 

[Ulairi]

Are Milwaukee ward votes kept on one persons old ass personal computer without independent oversight?

The judicial election was reviewed and no wrong doing was found. Just conspiracy.

 

[Chumly]

why are the milwaukee wards taking so long to get in? Must be Democratic county clerks trying to screw the election! They want to see what the one ward in Menomonee falls does! GAL! THIEVES!

You ok there buddy? Having some troubles comprehending things?

 

[Ulairi]

You ok there buddy? Having some troubles comprehending things?

I'm poking fun of the people that think some little Waukesha county clerk is this evil woman out to destroy democracy without any evidence of that. Have any of the results from Waukesha been outside of the historical norms?

 

[Dude Abides]

You ok there buddy? Having some troubles comprehending things?

Apolitical detached observers are easily agitated it would seem.

 

[A Human Becoming]

I remember eznark being confident Dems would take at least four of the seats. What a let down.

 

[Ulairi]

All of waukesha is in. 12 from Milwaukee and 2 more from Ozaukee left.

 

[Particle Physicist]

The judicial election was reviewed and no wrong doing was found. Just conspiracy.

Yeah, nothing shady happened there at all:

http://www.truth-out.org/city-brook...ide-open-waukesha-county-wisconsin/1305227275

 

[Ulairi]

Apolitical detached observers are easily agitated it would seem.

I'm not apolitical. I'm just not a Republican.

 

[Particle Physicist]

I'm poking fun of the people that think some little Waukesha county clerk is this evil woman out to destroy democracy without any evidence of that. Have any of the results from Waukesha been outside of the historical norms?

I called her shady, and regardless of the outcome, the way she does things HAS to change.

Are you seriously arguing for less transparency instead of more? wtf?

 

[Ulairi]

Yeah, nothing shady happened there at all:

http://www.truth-out.org/city-brook...ide-open-waukesha-county-wisconsin/1305227275

Were the results against the historical norms from Waukesha county and outside the results as a % of vote in the election? You link to a conspiracy website that shows a photo with no evidence of actual fraud.

 

[Ulairi]

I called her shady, and regardless of the outcome, the way she does things HAVE to change.

Are you seriously arguing for less transparency instead of more? wtf?

I think most likely she's an incompetent boob and should be voted out of office for the mistake in the first part. I just don't think she's some dastardly evil mastermind out to ruin Wisconsin politics.

 

[airmangataosenai]

Ulairi is like the conservative answer to Mcmackis back in 2008.

 

[Vanillalite]

I think most likely she's an incompetent boob and should be voted out of office for the mistake in the first part. I just don't think she's some dastardly evil mastermind out to ruin Wisconsin politics.

I don't think so either. That being said I don't see how you can keep your job after a fuck up like that in which your job is such a serious one.

 

[Ulairi]

Ulairi is like the conservative answer to Mcmackis back in 2008.

You don't see me in poli gaf that often. This is the first election I've ever been around that has such a big thread. I'm a libertarian from San Francisco, I don't vote.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Were the results against the historical norms from Waukesha county and outside the results as a % of vote in the election? You link to a conspiracy website that shows a photo with no evidence of actual fraud.

Conspiracy website?

http://www.truth-out.org/about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth-out.org

Truthout is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit,[1] progressive news organization in the United States that operates a web site[2] and distributes a daily newsletter. Registered in September 2001,[3] Truthout publishes original political news articles, opinion pieces, video reports and artwork. According to its web site, "As an organization, Truthout works to broaden and diversify the political discussion by introducing independent voices and focusing on undercovered issues and unconventional thinking."[4]

Truthout has featured content from writers Paul Krugman, Dahr Jamail, Henry Giroux, Jason Leopold, Bill Moyers, Andy Worthington, Kathy Kelly, Norman Solomon, William Rivers Pitt, Kelpie Wilson, Ken Morris, Dean Baker and Richard Silverstein.[4] The organization has reported extensively on the torture policies of the Bush administration, the health care debate, veterans' issues, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the labor movement, prison reform and election politics.

Yeah, no actual evidence of fraud, but just one more shady thing to add to the countless other crap.

 

[Ulairi]

I don't think so either. That being said I don't see how you can keep your job after a fuck up like that in which your job is such a serious one.

That's my opinion, too. I think that County Clerk jobs shouldn't even be political type job. For most people, if they messed up that badly they would have been let go right away and I don't think she should be able to keep her job.

 

[speculawyer]

@ sandyforsenate : Neither Sandy or the Democratic Party will issues any statements tonight. Thank you very much for your support tonight. #wirecall

Not going to concede tonight.

 

[Ulairi]

Almost every ward is in except Milwaukee. I want to know what's taking them so long and which part of the district!

EDIT: What will be funny is if Paasch wins because of these last few wards, we're going to see a complete flip on people claiming voter fraud.

 

[Ulairi]

Conspiracy website?

http://www.truth-out.org/about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth-out.org




Yeah, no actual evidence of fraud, but just one more shady thing to add to the countless other crap.

Have you read their "reporting" on 9/11? A whole lot of conspiracy came out from that website which is why I don't take them serious. Do you have anything from the jsonline or something more credible?

 

[Particle Physicist]

Almost every ward is in except Milwaukee. I want to know what's taking them so long and which part of the district!

EDIT: What will be funny is if Paasch wins because of these last few wards, we're going to see a complete flip on people claiming voter fraud.

I'm not claiming voter fraud. Who else is claiming voter fraud? I am saying, and I quote, 'the way Kathy Nickolaus handles the votes is a disgrace.'

 

[tokkun]

I remember eznark being confident Dems would take at least four of the seats. What a let down.

Even the Democratic recall election leadership was saying they only expected 2-3. So, I came in expecting 2 and got exactly that.

 

[Higgy]

What is the current vote tally for this last undecided race?

 

[Particle Physicist]

Have you read their "reporting" on 9/11? A whole lot of conspiracy came out from that website which is why I don't take them serious. Do you have anything from the jsonline or something more credible?

are you confusing it with this site: http://www.911truth.org/

 

[Ulairi]

I'm not claiming voter fraud. Who else is claiming voter fraud? I am saying, and I quote, 'the way Kathy Nickolaus handles the votes is a disgrace.'

The spokesman for the Democratic party that someone linked to earlier does. I wasn't talking about you.

 

[tokkun]

Almost every ward is in except Milwaukee. I want to know what's taking them so long and which part of the district!

EDIT: What will be funny is if Paasch wins because of these last few wards, we're going to see a complete flip on people claiming voter fraud.

It's possible that those non-reporting districts are empty districts created from metropolitan expansion. That happened in a few cities during the Prosser/Kloppenberg election.