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[Paches]

Here everyone:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63043_Page2.html

That page is loaded with specifics from the transcript. If you can't understand that, I can't have an honest debate with you.

 

[RustyNails]

Has the plan been released?

Nope, you didn't even read the transcript it seems.

 

[Timedog]

So this was the big speech we were all waiting for?
A rally-the-base. blame-shifting speech with no specifics and virtually no details whatsoever?
So what's the plan? The centerpiece is a continuation of payroll tax cuts?

Has the plan been released?

Uhhhh, what? Maybe your attention span is low and you spaced off when reading it or something. Maybe you could try watching it instead of reading it.

 

[cooljeanius]

20,000 posts... time for a new thread?

 

[reilo]

No, but it didn't feel like a "jobs plan" speech. It could have used more detail. I don't have an example to refer to but I think Clinton was much better at working in specifics with his speeches before Congress. People need to hear less rhetoric and more specifics. They need to hear details in order to gain confidence that Obama knows what he's doing.
Anyway, that's my opinion.

You are either very bad at reading, listening, comprehending, or everything all at once.

 

[bathala]

its summary in the back of a book jacket.
Full content is on Monday.

Do you really want him to open that 1000+ pages of plans while people waiting for a Football game?

 

[Crisis]

Remind me of the Republican plan again?

1. Cut taxes on "job creators"
2. Teach Jesus in the schools
3. ????
4. INFINITE REVENUE.

 

[Timedog]

We really need "Poligaf 2011: The Mormon, The Witch, and the Warmonger" like whomever suggested it a few pages back

 

[BertramCooper]

So how do you propose he apply pressure on GOP?

With an ice pack, or perhaps a frozen steak.

 

[Rubenov]

Nothing changes, once again proposing stuff that the tea folks won't accept, nor even care to consider.

Why do we even bother?

 

[Snaku]

We really need "Poligaf 2011: The Mormon, The Witch, and the Warmonger" like whomever suggested it a few pages back

Really? "The Witch" isn't even a contender anymore.

 

[jamesinclair]

Current SoCal blackouts:

Obama orchestrated?

I TOLD YOU FUCKERS WE NEED TO SPEND ON INFRASTRUCTURE!

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

You are either very bad at reading, listening, comprehending, or everything all at once.

Well, then let's talk about the most important detail. How many jobs will this create?

 

[RustyNails]

With an ice pack, or perhaps a frozen steak.

No seriously, I want to know. You said Obama doesn't have balls to apply pressure to GOP so I'm asking how he should do it?

 

[Something Wicked]

The specifics of what pay for all of the new spending were not listed. At a time where the general public is quite squeamish of deficits and debt, if people believe that the plan will not be realistically paid for or they do not agree with the proposed tax increases/spending cuts, the plan will be a failure.

 

[Timedog]

Remind me of the Republican plan again?

 

[Oblivion]

I know some of you have sworn oaths to never raise any taxes on anyone for as long as you live. Now is not the time to carve out an exception and raise middle-class taxes, which is why you should pass this bill right away.

Glad he mentioned that. Shame those fucks into supporting your plan, Mein Fuhrer!

 

[Byakuya769]

There anywhere I could find the video of the speech already?

 

[BertramCooper]

No seriously, I want to know. You said Obama doesn't have balls to apply pressure to GOP so I'm asking how he should do it?

How the fuck should I know?

At no point did I ever suggest that I knew a solution. I said that he won't even try. And he won't.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

How the fuck should I know?

At no point did I ever suggest that I knew a solution. I said that he won't even try. And he won't.

Guess what. Unless he has photos of republicans attending dirty parties in lingerie, there really isn't much he can do aside from motivate people.

 

[Zoramon089]

Well, then let's talk about the most important detail. How many jobs will this create?

It's like you're trying desperately wrong to find fault in the speech just because you alone didn't understand it.

 

[RurouniZel]

Guess what. Unless he has photos of republicans attending dirty parties in lingerie, there really isn't much he can do aside from motivate people.

I'll get to work on that.

 

[elrechazado]

It's like you're trying desperately wrong to find fault in the speech just because you alone didn't understand it.

Is it at all conceivable to you that someone might not have been impressed by another speech full of empty rhetoric, regardless of the speaker?

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

Is it at all conceivable to you that someone might not have been impressed by another speech full of empty rhetoric, regardless of the speaker?

There's being unimpressed and then there's making up faults that aren't there. It's legitimate to be upset because you don't think there's going to be any follow through, but to complain that it was lacking in details? That's just being oblivious.

 

[Timedog]

Is it at all conceivable to you that someone might not have been impressed by another speech full of empty rhetoric, regardless of the speaker?

Have you been reading his responses? It's obvious that he did not comprehend what he read, yet criticized it anyway. Sorry, there's no defending that.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

It's like you're trying desperately wrong to find fault in the speech just because you alone didn't understand it.

No. I desperately want to find something right about it. Seriously. This country needs confidence that someone knows wtf they're doing. They need to hear the plan. I would have preferred a lot more details and even a longer speech. This thing has been hyped for a while. I don't feel any better about job prospects. Do you? Are you confident this plan will drop the unemployment rate?

 

[ezekial45]

Bachmann already made her speech? How could i miss that?

 

[Byakuya769]

No. I desperately want to find something right about it. Seriously. This country needs confidence that someone knows wtf they're doing. They need to hear the plan. I would have preferred a lot more details and even a longer speech. This thing has been hyped for a while. I don't feel any better about job prospects. Do you? Are you confident this plan will drop the unemployment rate?

I'm not; because the people you vote for will block it. What is it exactly that you're looking for?

 

[Zoramon089]

No. I desperately want to find something right about it. Seriously. This country needs confidence that someone knows wtf they're doing. They need to hear the plan. I would have preferred a lot more details and even a longer speech. This thing has been hyped for a while. I don't feel any better about job prospects. Do you? Are you confident this plan will drop the unemployment rate?

I saw a lot of good ideas in the speech and I'm sure when we get the details a week from Monday it'll make even more sense. You assume that the vast majority of the unemployed care to sit for hours listening to the President go into the intricate details of his plan. They don't. They want to hear the bullet points and know that whatever is planned will be enacted as quickly as possible. That's what he did

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

No. I desperately want to find something right about it. Seriously. This country needs confidence that someone knows wtf they're doing. They need to hear the plan. I would have preferred a lot more details and even a longer speech. This thing has been hyped for a while. I don't feel any better about job prospects. Do you? Are you confident this plan will drop the unemployment rate?

That's great for you, but most people would have tuned out if it had gone on for much longer. He had just the right length for a motivational, "let's get to work" speech.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

I'll keep an open mind. But so far I'm not impressed. And it will be interesting to see how all of this will be paid for.

And Timedog... You really think a guy that's much smarter than Obama can't understand what he's talking about? Please.

 

[KHarvey16]

The specifics of what pay for all of the new spending were not listed. At a time where the general public is quite squeamish of deficits and debt, if people believe that the plan will not be realistically paid for or they do not agree with the proposed tax increases/spending cuts, the plan will be a failure.

Politically, perhaps. Economically the desire to match spending with equal cuts is what will render this plan(or any plan) less effective than it otherwise would be. Spending right now is good, not cutting.

 

[WowBaby]

No. I desperately want to find something right about it. Seriously. This country needs confidence that someone knows wtf they're doing. They need to hear the plan. I would have preferred a lot more details and even a longer speech. This thing has been hyped for a while. I don't feel any better about job prospects. Do you? Are you confident this plan will drop the unemployment rate?

Well let's see..35000 schools to be fixed up and upgraded, roads, bridges, tunnels to be fixed...have you looked at a map of this country and seen the amount of roads we have?? When you walk outside, do you not see any kind of infrastructure?? Putting all those teachers back to work...I don't know how many people it would be, but it seems like it's gonna be a large number to me.

But then, there is the GOP...good bye jobs, goodbye tax cuts for middle class, goodbye teachers, goodbye America you were great...once.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I'll keep an open mind. But so far I'm not impressed. And it will be interesting to see how all of this will be paid for.

And Timedog... You really think a guy that's much smarter than Obama can't understand what he's talking about? Please.

lol. I may disagree with you on many issues but you know how to make me laugh.

 

[thefro]

Politically, perhaps. Economically the desire to match spending with equal cuts is what will render this plan(or any plan) less effective than it otherwise would be. Spending right now is good, not cutting.

The super-duper debt commission will be cutting projected spending growth 10 years from now.

 

[Highwind]

The speech for those that prefer to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD48aXZBK5g

 

[ToxicAdam]

No one should be surprised by Obama's performance. He's a terrific campaigner, but a mediocre leader.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

No one should be surprised by Obama's performance. He's a terrific campaigner, but a mediocre leader.

I have to ask because its been killing me since I started posting here, who is the kid in your avatar?

 

[Oblivion]

Huh, seems the Kossers, Firebaggers, and ma boy Steve Benen all seemed to love the speech.

I realize that we still have Republicans that will make things very difficult to pass, but I've always said that Obama should have taken the fight to them from day 1. Present the argument to the American people and point out all the bullshit about deficits and tax cuts and such. The president can't force congress to pass a bill, but he can sway the public to side with him to the point that congress would hav little choice BUT to pass a bill.

 

[AndyD]

Well let's see..35000 schools to be fixed up and upgraded, roads, bridges, tunnels to be fixed...have you looked at a map of this country and seen the amount of roads we have?? When you walk outside, do you not see any kind of infrastructure?? Putting all those teachers back to work...I don't know how many people it would be, but it seems like it's gonna be a large number to me.

But then, there is the GOP...good bye jobs, goodbye tax cuts for middle class, goodbye teachers, goodbye America you were great...once.

I think he wants a list of which roads will get fixed and on what day.

 

[scorcho]

It's like you're trying desperately wrong to find fault in the speech just because you alone didn't understand it.

oh, he understands it. he's more smarter than us.

 

[Puddles]

20,000 posts... time for a new thread?

Yep, but instead of it being a straightforward process, the authorities have mandated that we take part in a thread-naming contest that will waste time and delay the thread being created. More needless regulation stifling innovators. Big Moderation needs to step out of the way and let the thread creators go to work.

 

[Something Wicked]

I think he wants a list of which roads will get fixed and on what day.

Well, firstly, we're going to need signs along the roads stating the money that will repave such roads came from this bill.

 

[scorcho]

Yep, but instead of it being a straightforward process, the authorities have mandated that we take part in a thread-naming contest that will waste time and delay the thread being created. More needless regulation stifling innovators. Big Moderation needs to step out of the way and let the thread creators go to work.

after that rant, i doubt your tag will ever be removed.

 

[Celsior]

Well, firstly, we're going to need signs along the roads stating the money that will repave such roads came from this bill.

Next we need to go through an expensive bidding process to pick the company to pave this road with the main decisions being through lobbying and political favors.

 

[ReBurn]

Just read the speech because I wasn't able to be home to watch it. I like it. I think it makes sense.

I'm curious whether Congress can stop being stupid and focus on what matters most.

 

[Oblivion]

Yep, but instead of it being a straightforward process, the authorities have mandated that we take part in a thread-naming contest that will waste time and delay the thread being created. More needless regulation stifling innovators. Big Moderation needs to step out of the way and let the thread creators go to work.

More like Op(ressor)iate, amirite?

 

[ToxicAdam]

I have to ask because its been killing me since I started posting here, who is the kid in your avatar?

Different kid then when I started. Just random shit typed in Google Image Search.


This is the one you might be thinking of.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Different kid then when I started. Just random shit typed in Google Image Search.


This is the one you might be thinking of.

Ah yea. Wasn't sure if that was your son or what. But it goes perfectly with your persona here for some reason lol.

 

[Measley]

Listening to this speech and comparing it to the bile that was the GOP debate really brought home how important the 2012 election is going to be.