Rubenov said:I'm starting to think this Jobs bill will pass. Boehner and Cantor's reaction so far has been neutral (which is to say, positive). I believe they understand now that if they don't pass a JOBS BILL, most people will completely lose patience with Republicans.
And once they vote against it, Obama will hammer that in next year. He "wins" either way.cartoon_soldier said:No, Republicans won't support the full jobs bill. It is Boehner and Cantor's job to look little bit responsible, once the bill is sent the full house GOP will vote against it.
TacticalFox88 said:And once they vote against it, Obama will hammer that in next year. He "wins" either way.
Gruco said:I liked Kevin Drum's take -
Republicans pass bill = Obama does something effectively + Obama helps economy = bad for republicans
Republicans reject bill = Obama wins "adult in the room" contest + public sympathy for agenda = bad for republicans
Solution? Tentative support for bill. Display of interest. Complain of certain parts. Pass watered down version that only included ideas furthest to the right and that is too small to do anything. Call it "weeding out the special interests." Good for republicans.
Cyan said:I hear ya. Don't blame you for blocking the other guy from your memory. :/
You gave him a B. A fucking B.SlipperySlope said:Ah, Bush...
I forgot what grade I gave Bush earlier in this thread. I agree with some things he did, and disagree with others. I don't play revisionist history. For example, I supported the war in Iraq, and won't back away from that stance because it didn't turn out like I'd like.
The main things I disagree with Bush on are his spending policies. He spent faaar too much.
Gruco said:I liked Kevin Drum's take -
Republicans pass bill = Obama does something effectively + Obama helps economy = bad for republicans
Republicans reject bill = Obama wins "adult in the room" contest + public sympathy for agenda = bad for republicans
Solution? Tentative support for bill. Display of interest. Complain of certain parts. Pass watered down version that only included ideas furthest to the right and that is too small to do anything. Call it "weeding out the special interests." Good for republicans.
Aw how come?SlipperySlope said:I supported the war in Iraq
It's campaign season.Flying_Phoenix said:PoliGAF Podcast recording will start at 9:00PM tonight Central USA.
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Why couldn't we have this Obama for the past 3 years?
Is Obama maturing as a president?
Is the sonic cycle broken?
Is this the Sonic Colors point of his presidency?
Kusagari said:Republicans got elected on their promise of jobs in 2010. If they don't pass a jobs bill then they're fucked in 2012.
They all get equal blame, as evidenced by the 2010 midterms.PhoenixDark said:Why? The president gets the blame for a shitty economy.
reilo said:They all get equal blame, as evidenced by the 2010 midterms.
reilo said:They all get equal blame, as evidenced by the 2010 midterms.
SoulPlaya said:It's campaign season.
Ummm, what?SlipperySlope said:I don't play revisionist history. For example, I supported the war in Iraq, and won't back away from that stance because it didn't turn out like I'd like.
Oblivion said:Okay, ignoring whether this'll pass through congress or not, the upside is that Kthug seems to actually like the proposal:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/opinion/setting-their-hair-on-fire.html?_r=1&hp
Luckily, Obama is still hovering between 40% and 45% approval rating, which is 30% more approval than congress (which is hovering around 15%-18% approval). The public still blames them more.PhoenixDark said:I didn't see any "equal blame" in the midterms; dems got slaughtered across the country. If nothing is done and the economy continues to bomb, maybe tea partiers get kicked out - but Obama won't be sent back to Washington either.
ToxicAdam said:It's election time. Time to pump up his boy.
I laughed at how put-on that article was when I read it this morning. A year ago he would have railed it as too limited and too reliant on tax cuts.
Oblivion said:Really? He clearly states that it's not as big as he'd like but that it'd at least make a dent in unemployment. Seems fairly consistent with what he's been preaching for the past two years.
ToxicAdam said:Time for a game of "who said it". Hint - Someone that is or might be a presidential candidate:
ToxicAdam said:It's election time. Time to pump up his boy.
I laughed at how put-on that article was when I read it this morning. A year ago he would have railed it as too limited and too reliant on tax cuts.
Aw, I had other plans for tonight... I think my Skype name is on my profile anyway.Flying_Phoenix said:PoliGAF Podcast recording will start at 9:00PM tonight Central USA.
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Why couldn't we have this Obama for the past 3 years?
Is Obama maturing as a president?
Is the sonic cycle broken?
Is this the Sonic Colors point of his presidency?
SlipperySlope said:Ah, Bush...
I forgot what grade I gave Bush earlier in this thread. I agree with some things he did, and disagree with others. I don't play revisionist history. For example, I supported the war in Iraq, and won't back away from that stance because it didn't turn out like I'd like.
The main things I disagree with Bush on are his spending policies. He spent faaar too much.
i dunno about you, but i'm gettin' ready to vote for Obama this November!Jak140 said:Apparently, between Sept. 3rd and Sept. 9th it suddenly became "election time."
I don't get why people think Dems are less corrupt then repubs,jamesinclair said:Damn republicans
he's a democrat, but it's Massachusetts, who isnt?
Jak140 said:Whatever. He was as down on Obama as everyone else in this thread less than a week ago:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/03/broken-windows-ozone-and-jobs/
Apparently, between Sept. 3rd and Sept. 9th it suddenly became "election time."
At least with Dems, they help the country out every once in awhile while doing their crony shit. Repubs just screw you over all the fucking time.Celsior said:I don't get why people think Dems are less corrupt then repubs,
It's SlipperySlope, dude.Chichikov said:Ummm, what?
So new evidence suggest that you were wrong in your original assessment, and you reject it because...?
Why are you not judging actions by results?
TacticalFox88 said:At least with Dems, they help the country out every once in awhile while doing their crony shit. Repubs just screw you over all the fucking time.
ToxicAdam said:This upcoming election is going to be framed around Republican obstructionism (and the Jobs Plan will be exhibit A), not Obama punting the EPA restrictions until 2013.
http://transportationnation.org/2011/09/09/mica-not-interested-in-obamas-infrastructure-play/House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chair John Mica (R-Fla.) tossed cold water on Obamas call for a national infrastructure bank Thursday night, just minutes after the president told Congress to put partisanship aside and pass his plan quickly.
Weve already had experience with some of these federal grant programs that requires Washington bureaucrats, Washington red tape, Washington approvals and then bowing and scraping to Washington. Im strongly opposed to any type of a new federal infrastructure bank, Mica said in an interview following the speech.
The White Houses vision for the bank includes $10 billion in seed money and an independent board to attract private capital to infrastructure projects. The point, of course, is the get the projects going and get workers digging without the taint of big government spending projects now out of favor. Its all part of an overall $50 billion infrastructure proposal in the estimated $447 billion American Jobs Act proposed by Obama last night.
Just yesterday, the Republican leaders of the House Appropriations Committee unveiled their proposals for massive reductions in spending at the U.S. Department of Transportation, reducing highway expenditures to $27.7 billion in 2012 (from $41.8 billion in 2011) and transit formula spending to $5.2 billion (from $8.3 billion). No new New Start or Small Start transit capital grants would be funded. The high-speed rail program, which had once been one of Mr. Obamas signature policies, would be entirely cut. These are austerity measures completely out of step with an economy desperately in need of stimulus, job creation, and infrastructure improvements.
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Flying_Phoenix said:Skype and recording works fine. Everything is perfectly fine.
Poligaf Cast recording starts in 39 minutes from this post.
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quadriplegicjon said:Out of curiosity, who is joining the chat at the moment?
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Can I be the guest who monopolizes the conversation while having nothing of consequence to say?Flying_Phoenix said:So far Puddles is 100% confirmed, Speculawyers 100% confirmed as well.
The format is similar to Real-Time With Bill Maher.
Flying_Phoenix said:So far Puddles is 100% confirmed, Speculawyers 100% confirmed as well.
The format is similar to Real-Time With Bill Maher.
Essentially I have a set of topics that I want to discuss and people discuss them. Only this will be done much more loosely.
And if what you were asking is the language and tone, all is allowed.
Its the first episode so I'm not sure how it will all go down, but you are both more than welcome to come.
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