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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags
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mckmas8808
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Flying_Phoenix said:
Put me down for a vote for Rusty too.
BotoxAgent
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GhaleonEB said:
lol, I will borrow that line when I see my relatives again
Beautiful. Lamentably, it is true.GhaleonEB said:
FP has an excellent collection of choice quotes from the GOP debate relevant to foreign policy. For better or worse, a few of my favorites.
PhoenixDark
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The glee and positivity at DailyKos over this "brilliant" plan/speech is nauseating. How many times do we have to hear from cheerleaders that Obama has "trapped" republicans, "turned the table" on them, and put them in a situation where they either choose madness (and be punished) or do what Obama wants? They chose madness every single time and never get punished by the public.
Something will be passed, but the idea that this entire package will make it through the house is laughable. It'll be chopped to pieces and Obama will be stupid enough to declare victory with a neutered bill half as big. Just watch.
Something will be passed, but the idea that this entire package will make it through the house is laughable. It'll be chopped to pieces and Obama will be stupid enough to declare victory with a neutered bill half as big. Just watch.
I'm no fan of Obama's performance overall, but I have to wonder what you want him to do. If, as you say, half of the government is occupied by madmen, what could anyone do about it?PhoenixDark said:
I'm entirely on board with criticizing him for attempting to appease the hostage-takers again and again and again and again. This isn't a similar response (for once) and therefore doesn't bear the same kind of criticism.
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PhoenixDark said:
Personally I think his jobs plan act is mediocre at best. I do like helping the long-term unemployed to be trained in new skills bit.
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PhoenixDark said:
..and Daily Kos will revert back to crying about how President Obama stabbed them in the back when he compromise. Daily Kos has been a nauseating to read for a long time now.
but I did like his speech, and I want to believe.
mckmas8808
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PhoenixDark said:
I thought you wanted him to use the bully pulpit to push for things that he wants? Looks like he did it to me.
TacticalFox88
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Heh. Nice.
RustyNails
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J50 has a slightly narrow interpretation of intervention for my tastes, but I want him to be my US Envoy for Middle East Peace (which is currently held by David Hale). The office deals specifically with Israel-Palestine issue and I think he's more than capable of forging a solution.KingK said:
speculawyer
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Q180. Provide tax rebates for people who purchase energy-efficient vehicles or solar
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Nat'l Avg Democrats Independents Republicans Tea Party
Strongly support 42 47 39 42 32
Somewhat support 40 43 38 42 34
Somewhat oppose 9 6 13 8 11
Strongly oppose 9 5 9 8 [B]24[/B]Look at that GOP support . . . but then they have their crazy division.
http://environment.yale.edu/climate/news/PoliticsGlobalWarming2011/
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Well for one, I agree that it's way to early to call this a victory for Obama. There's a shitton that could happen between now and then. But there's also the fact that Cantor and Boehner have sent signals that they liked some of the things in the bill. In the end, I think we'll get a $300b-$320b deal instead of $487b, with 80% GOP stuff and 20% Dem stuff.PhoenixDark said:
But yes, the sooner you stop going to dailykos, the better. They were great around during election time though, gotta admit.
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Well, here it is...
PhoenixDark
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Evlar said:
I like the idea that he picked a fight last night, one which he'll probably lose; it's something he's been unwilling to do in the past. Using the bully pulpit is essential. My problem is that most likely what we'll get it a gimped bill Obama will use to declare victory.
There's not much he can do. Personally I think he should take the series of steps the executive branch can implement without congress, many of which he outlined last night. But even there one can ask the question "why now?" None of this was a problem a few months ago when UE was higher? These alleged 500 regulations he spoke of eliminating weren't a problem last year? Smog regulations were hampering job growth since 09? The obvious question is "why weren't these things addressed earlier?"
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RustyNails said:
Oh, I agree (that's why I voted for you, lol). I support our intervention in Libya, and I know Jackson50, EV, and others here I usually agree with were ardently opposed. However, I still think he provides one of the most constantly informed and insightful viewpoints regarding foreign policy, even if I sometimes disagree.
Also, I just got around to watching Obama's jobs speech. Some good stuff was there, but it seemed like way too much of it was just perpetuating the idea that tax cuts can get us out of this. And anything that would actually pass would have any of the good parts (like infrastructure spending and elimination of corporate tax breaks) taken out anyway. And his explanation of how it was payed for seemed kinda like BS. "It's paid for because I'm asking you guys to find a way to pay for it." wat? Anyway, I think if it passed as it is now, it would help a little, but anything that does end up passing won't have any noticeable effect.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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RustyNails said:
Remember when peace fails...my department starts sorting things out. lol
jamesinclair
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Hey guys, it's Friday.
And you know what Friday means.
GOP trying to cut funding to trains, again.
http://www.examiner.com/train-travel-in-national/house-gop-targets-state-sponsored-amtrak-services
And you know what Friday means.
GOP trying to cut funding to trains, again.
http://www.examiner.com/train-travel-in-national/house-gop-targets-state-sponsored-amtrak-services
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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jamesinclair said:
Hey, it's not like it helps keep ticket prices low or anything.
I'm just bitter why can't I take highspeed rail to work like Amtrak and not NJT and not have it cost 1200.
It's funny that for my trip next week airfare is cheaper than round trip Acela from NY to DC and back.
Like I said bitter. ;P
jamesinclair
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Free market pricing. Amtrak prices tickets with demand, unlike transit agencies that charge fixed fees.
It should give republicans an orgasm.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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jamesinclair said:
I know...except it's not profitable (or is it they just can't afford new projects).
Technically why can't we have private companies competing for commercial passenger rail...I mean yes I know after 1910 Passenger trains barely generate income and you need to switch offer to industry cars, but it can't be like Railroad Tycoon 2!
Bah, I'll always be cranky about highspeed rail. I mean once you've been on Amtrak, going back to NJT is never easy! lol
Hell, the one time I was on Acela was amazing! I get that being expensive, but fuck find someway to lower the prices for regular Northeast Regional trains!
Fuck all of this I'm going home and playing Railroad Tycoon and doing just that! lol
jamesinclair
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:I know...except it's not profitable (or is it they just can't afford new projects).
Technically why can't we have private companies competing for commercial passenger rail...I mean yes I know after 1910 Passenger trains barely generate income and you need to switch offer to industry cars, but it can't be like Railroad Tycoon 2!
Bah, I'll always be cranky about highspeed rail. I mean once you've been on Amtrak, going back to NJT is never easy! lol
Hell, the one time I was on Acela was amazing! I get that being expensive, but fuck find someway to lower the prices for regular Northeast Regional trains!
Fuck all of this I'm going home and playing Railroad Tycoon and doing just that! lol
Acela is profitable, as is the NE ragional and one or two other lines.
Note that profitable here means covering operating costs. The infrastructure will never be covered by fares.
Thats why private companies wont work out. Have the public pay for the infrastructure and yet have the private company enjoy the profit of the operations? Huh? Thats just giving money away.
This current system allows the profits from lines like Acela to subsidize lines like the Downeaster. Giving the Acela away means we still pay for the downeastern...but now we have to dig money out of the general fund instead of using the profits to subsidize it.
Thanks, actually. Moreover, if it is requested, I will serve any prospective administration as SoS. Honestly, I would love to command Foggy Bottom. It would be a dream. Well, until the overwhelming stress made me grayer than a mule.KingK said:
Wait, did you not claim that our SLBMs do not have hard-target kill capacity? I think it was you. And you are going to be SecDef? Oy vey!Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I said that they were inaccurate and had a worse CEP than the land based ones. Also the traditional role of SLBM in the nuclear triad was for soft targets and quick strikes. Thats why the Russians put them off the East Coast, because that way they could strike DC and certain airbases in 12 minutes. They weren't for attacking silos or anything hardened generally. That role was the land based ICBMs since unlike subs its harder to keep a silo in reserve to negotiate a termination of the conflict. I apologize for this brief response as this is being typed on a phone. I promise you a full and detailed response when I get home. I mean how often does one get to discuss nuclear war fighting and deterrence these daysJackson50 said:
jamesinclair
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Damn republicans
http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrod...ion-charges/npmq08ytxUqtsD2DVfyseN/index.html
http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrod...ion-charges/npmq08ytxUqtsD2DVfyseN/index.html
he's a democrat, but it's Massachusetts, who isnt?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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What if accept as taxpayers paying for infrastructure with the goal it would lower fares via competition. We decouple it from the operating costs. People and private companies pay together. Cheaper high speed rail would empower people to look for and be able to work jobs outside their traditional range. People also are able to vacation easier and thus spend more money, more so it means commuters can take hone more money even more than they save via pre tax witholdings for transit.jamesinclair said:
Also is it not possible for a private company to run smaller, but profitable routes and afford the infrastructure costs you mention?
Keep in mind this just me thinking aloud.
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I'd vote for you chichikov. As long as we're all kissing ass here, I should say that you are one of my favorite posters. Not because I've ever agreed with you. It's because you are always respectful and never dismissive, rude, or insulting.Chichikov said:
mckmas8808
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Obama Visits Cantors District to Demand Passage of American Jobs Act
By: David Dayen Friday September 9, 2011 1:36 pm
The President traveled to Eric Cantors district today in Richmond, Virginia, to reiterate his demand to pass the American Jobs Act as a full bill, not in parts. And he asked the assembled crowd to pressure their representatives to get the job done:
Im asking all of you to lift up your voices, not just here in Richmond anybody watching, listening, following online, I want you to call, I want to email, I want you to Tweet. I want you to Fax, I want you to visit, I want you to Facebook. Send a carrier pigeon.
I want you to tell your congressperson the time for gridlock and games is over, the time for action is now, the time to create jobs is now. Pass this bill! If you want construction workers on the work site, pass this bill. If you want teachers in the classroom, pass this bill. If you want small business owners to hire new people, pass this bill. If you want veterans to get their share of opportunity that they helped create, pass this bill. If you want a tax break, pass this bill.
Prove you will fight as hard for tax cuts for workers and middle-class people as you do for oil companies and rich folks. Pass this bill! Lets get something done.
In a parallel move, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic leadership called on Republican committee chairs to move the American Jobs Act forward, with ranking members asking for hearings and markups.
I dont think anyone expects miracles from this. Republicans arent even sold on tax cuts at this point. But Id rather the President ask his followers to call, fax and tweet in support of a plan that will create at least 1.9 million jobs and bring the unemployment rate down a full point, than in support of a balanced approach to deficit reduction, like he did during the debt limit deal.
This is, at root, an extension of the job creation measures of the Recovery Act, which clearly faded too fast. Its not the most liberal deal in the world. It has too many tax cuts. The job training program modeled on GeorgiaWorks is a losing proposition. Because of the depth of the hole, this plan wont do the entire job of stabilizing the economy. And yet its a step, a legitimate step with some useful programs. We could spend money on infrastructure projects, or do nothing and spend more in the future on the same maintenance. We can do nothing and see demand stagnate, or spend now to increase demand and create growth and knock-on effects in the future. And so on.
Its worth seeing whether the outside game will work in this context. And its worth putting energy into passage of the American Jobs Act, while resisting the more misguided efforts to pay for it in the Catfood Commission II
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LOL at send a carrier piegon. But I like going directly to Eric Cantor's district one day removed from giving this Joint Congress speech.
By: David Dayen Friday September 9, 2011 1:36 pm
The President traveled to Eric Cantors district today in Richmond, Virginia, to reiterate his demand to pass the American Jobs Act as a full bill, not in parts. And he asked the assembled crowd to pressure their representatives to get the job done:
Im asking all of you to lift up your voices, not just here in Richmond anybody watching, listening, following online, I want you to call, I want to email, I want you to Tweet. I want you to Fax, I want you to visit, I want you to Facebook. Send a carrier pigeon.
I want you to tell your congressperson the time for gridlock and games is over, the time for action is now, the time to create jobs is now. Pass this bill! If you want construction workers on the work site, pass this bill. If you want teachers in the classroom, pass this bill. If you want small business owners to hire new people, pass this bill. If you want veterans to get their share of opportunity that they helped create, pass this bill. If you want a tax break, pass this bill.
Prove you will fight as hard for tax cuts for workers and middle-class people as you do for oil companies and rich folks. Pass this bill! Lets get something done.
In a parallel move, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic leadership called on Republican committee chairs to move the American Jobs Act forward, with ranking members asking for hearings and markups.
I dont think anyone expects miracles from this. Republicans arent even sold on tax cuts at this point. But Id rather the President ask his followers to call, fax and tweet in support of a plan that will create at least 1.9 million jobs and bring the unemployment rate down a full point, than in support of a balanced approach to deficit reduction, like he did during the debt limit deal.
This is, at root, an extension of the job creation measures of the Recovery Act, which clearly faded too fast. Its not the most liberal deal in the world. It has too many tax cuts. The job training program modeled on GeorgiaWorks is a losing proposition. Because of the depth of the hole, this plan wont do the entire job of stabilizing the economy. And yet its a step, a legitimate step with some useful programs. We could spend money on infrastructure projects, or do nothing and spend more in the future on the same maintenance. We can do nothing and see demand stagnate, or spend now to increase demand and create growth and knock-on effects in the future. And so on.
Its worth seeing whether the outside game will work in this context. And its worth putting energy into passage of the American Jobs Act, while resisting the more misguided efforts to pay for it in the Catfood Commission II
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LOL at send a carrier piegon. But I like going directly to Eric Cantor's district one day removed from giving this Joint Congress speech.
Your criticism would have been valid for most of the Cold War. The old generation of SLBMs were inaccurate and had a higher CEP. Otherwise, presently, your assertion is erroneous. The current generation of SLBMs have a CEP comparable to the MX and, thus, present a credible hard-target kill capacity. That is why the Soviets threw a tantrum at their advent. Not only were they exceptionally survivable, they could, theoretically, contravene the Soviet's counterforce. Really, our SLBMs affords us a considerable strategic advantage in the flexibility of our nuclear forces.Manos: The Hans of Fate said:I said that they were inaccurate and had a worse CEP than the land based ones. Also the traditional role of SLBM in the nuclear triad was for soft targets and quick strikes. Thats why the Russians put them off the East Coast, because that way they could strike DC and certain airbases in 12 minutes. They weren't for attacking silos or anything hardened generally. That role was the land based ICBMs since unlike subs its harder to keep a silo in reserve to negotiate a termination of the conflict. I apologize for this brief response as this is being typed on a phone. I promise you a full and detailed response when I get home. I mean how often does one get to discuss nuclear war fighting and deterrence these days
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You know what happened last time we selected a "I'd have a beer with him" candidateBulbo Urethral Baggins said:
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Oh oh.RustyNails said:
RustyNails is in campaign mode. First attack at a challenger.SlipperySlope
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RustyNails said:
Yeah, we got Clinton
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reilo said:
And what goes great with both of those? Beer.
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Yes, you are correct, I was in error.Jackson50 said:
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