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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags

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DasRaven

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Invisible_Insane said:
I'm really surprised this didn't happen sooner. That's the thing that makes the least sense about this. Only the marginally informed are opposed to increasing the debt ceiling, and so it's kind of strange to see Republicans going to war over something that's bad for their sponsors.

And that is why I've been essentially ignoring this "issue" and its coverage. The debt ceiling will be raised, the oligarchs demand it.

The only real question is who'll damage their brand more in the Kabuki theater of the legislating it. And today it seems that Boehner and McConnell have taken direct hits.
The President has taken some heat from the left, but bolstered his standing with the center. Eric Cantor will be the next Speaker of the House if they hold it in 2012.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
My mind is full of fuck. This is the very same party that created the EPA, for fucks sake. Have we seriously gotten to the point where if Government has a hand in it, then it must be privatized and deregulated?
lol I was just about to post that jackie chan picture too.

The Republicans are coming up with every different way possible to say "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN, THAT MAN THAT YOU SEE ISN'T ACTUALLY THERE AND HE NEVER WAS"
 
state-of-the-art said:
I was under the impression cost cutting and efficiency gave conservatives hard-ons. No dice though huh?
I think the law should go further. The government should just start making the light bulb they require us to use.
Hopefully filled with even more carcinogens.
 

Cyan

Banned
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
I think the law should go further. The government should just start making the light bulb they require us to use.
Nah, they should just take over the means of production.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
I think the law should go further. The government should just start making the light bulb they require us to use.
Hopefully filled with even more carcinogens.

You have to listen to foxnews 24x7 to be able to say this with a straight face.
 

Gr1mLock

Passing metallic gas
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
I think the law should go further. The government should just start making the light bulb they require us to use.
Hopefully filled with even more carcinogens.

Contract a bulb company with federal subsidies. Plaster the company name everywhere so it gets traded publicly. Wait for Fox to call it a federal takeover of the entire visible light spectrum. When the shares plummet bail the company out with a stimulus. Wait for the CEO to resign with a record bonus while securing a new position at BP or spearheading a new branch of the tea party. .?????. Profit.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
Hey, have at your cancer-emitting government licensed socialist light bulbs.
I'm going strictly black market for mine.

I think we'd be friends IRL, but you must know how silly the complaint sounds. You're just repeating your corporate gods' creed NO REGULATIONS NO MATTER WHAT ad naseum. This is the same mindset that rues the President that signed child labor laws because it raised costs for the textile industry.
 
mckmas8808 said:
The GOP are pieces of shit! Straight up. How can they oppose something that they agreed to just 4 years ago?




You can't be serious....

Well they have to do something to keep themselves busy while they aren't doing anything about the debt ceiling.
 
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
Hey, have at your cancer-emitting government licensed socialist light bulbs.
The cancer rays can't get at you if you wear a tinfoil suit. Plus that'll make it harder for them to vaccinate you!
 

SolKane

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Perry blotter:

Perry meets with former president of Pakistan in Austin
Gov. Rick Perry met today at the Four Seasons Hotel in Downtown Austin with Pervez Musharraf, the former president of Pakistan.

Perry spokesman Mark Miner said Musharraf, who is in Texas for events in Houston and Dallas, requested the meeting. He said they talked about the Texas economy and Pakistan’s relationship with the United States and Texas.

The two were joined by their wives and also had lunch.

Perry is considering entering the Republican race for president.

Musharraf has been critical of the White House’s recent suspension of $800 million in U.S. aid to the Pakistani military, saying the decreased aid will hurt his country and hinder its fight against terrorism. Perry did not directly criticize the federal decision, but he told the Associated Press that he hoped the two governments could work their way through the conflicts and get “on the same page of the hymnbook.”

“All of us are concerned … any time there’s conflict between these historic friends,” Perry said. “I’ll leave it to the administration and the diplomats to continue to work on this.”

Perry planning Iowa trip, GOP leader says
Texas Gov. Rick Perry is planning a trip to Iowa in the near future, Kraig Paulsen, speaker of the Iowa House, said today.

Paulsen, a Republican, said Perry recently telephoned him as the Texan tests the waters for a potential run for the Republican presidential nomination. Iowa opens the presidential primary season with a Feb. 6 caucus.

“He just wanted to introduce himself to me and indicated to me that he’d be coming up to Iowa for a visit at some point in time, and asked if it would be all right if he stopped by,” Paulsen said.

Perry did not indicate whether he was running, “and I didn’t ask,” Paulsen said. “The impression in Iowa is he’s going to run, but I didn’t ask the question because I didn’t want to put him on the spot.”

Perry will visit New Hampshire, which follows the Iowa caucus with the nation’s first presidential primary, to deliver a keynote speech to a conservative interest group on Oct. 28. Perry also will be in South Carolina, another early primary state, Aug. 13 to address a conference sponsored by RedState.com, a conservative website.

He has not yet announced a trip to Iowa.
 
PantherLotus said:
I think we'd be friends IRL, but you must know how silly the complaint sounds. You're just repeating your corporate gods' creed NO REGULATIONS NO MATTER WHAT ad naseum. This is the same mindset that rues the President that signed child labor laws because it raised costs for the textile industry.
I'm sure we could be friends. I'm sure you get tired of listening to pinheads spewing fox news talking points. I don't blame you. But I ain't one of those guys. I may be a pinhead, but I think for myself. And I assure you, I have no gods, much less "corporate gods" (pleeze). Along those lines, won't GE be making more money off these bulbs since they cost over 10x as much? Anyone know the answer to that?
 

Zero Hero

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Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
I'm sure we could be friends. I'm sure you get tired of listening to pinheads spewing fox news talking points. I don't blame you. But I ain't one of those guys. I may be a pinhead, but I think for myself. And I assure you, I have no gods, much less "corporate gods" (pleeze). Along those lines, won't GE be making more money off these bulbs since they cost over 10x as much? Anyone know the answer to that?

Don't know about GE specifically, but I'm guessing the electric utility industry has thrown money at this. The last thing they want is energy efficiency(unless it's there own). NYSEG has much of their fleet running off natural gas. Why don't I have that option?
 
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
IAlong those lines, won't GE be making more money off these bulbs since they cost over 10x as much? Anyone know the answer to that?

Uh, what?

You ever been to a store dude?

Halogen bulbs cost around 25% more than the old kind.

And CFLs go for 5 for $4 if you look for sales.
 

Kosmo

Banned
jamesinclair said:
Uh, what?

You ever been to a store dude?

Halogen bulbs cost around 25% more than the old kind.

And CFLs go for 5 for $4 if you look for sales.

How do I dispose of those again? Is it open the windows, then put on the dust mask, or dust mask then open the windows?
 
jamesinclair said:
Uh, what?

You ever been to a store dude?

Halogen bulbs cost around 25% more than the old kind.

And CFLs go for 5 for $4 if you look for sales.
CFLs are that cheap now? I've never bought one yet.
I just checked GEs site and it says $3.77/bulb compared to $0.27 for an incandescent.
Anyway, getting off topic I suppose.
 

FLEABttn

Banned
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
Along those lines, won't GE be making more money off these bulbs since they cost over 10x as much? Anyone know the answer to that?

The margins are probably pretty similar to a normal bulb, and with decreased demand they probably make as much money off those as they do normal bulbs.

But that's just the pricer in me talking~

Kosmo said:
How do I dispose of those again? Is it open the windows, then put on the dust mask, or dust mask then open the windows?

The actual way or the way everyone does it?
 
For people with a lot of house plants CFLs are great because plants can't process incandescent light.

Uh...

But nothing is stopping you from buying an incandescent bulb.
 
I'm just livid the monitor I am looking at right now isn't an incandescent rainbow of awesome like my old Lite-Brite.
Seriously, are the likes of Rand Paul and Joe Barton fucking assholes or fucking morons? CFL just went on above my head, it's both.

Yes, all CFLs contain a very small amount of mercury, typically about 5 mg, which is 1/6000th of an ounce (mass). If all the mercury were concentrated in one droplet, that droplet would have a diameter of only 1.1 mm, which is 0.042 inches. Typical mercury-based fever thermometers contain 0.5 to 3 grams of mercury, which is 100 to 600 times as much mercury as a CFL that has 5 mg of mercury.
However, in many cases use of CFLs will offset mercury that would otherwise be introduced into the environment from other sources. For example, coal contains mercury and this mercury is released into the environment when coal is burned to produce electricity. If the electricity used to operate your lamps is generated from coal, and you operate 100-watt incandescent lamps for 10,000 hours, the power generating plant will release between 40 mg and 70 mg of mercury into the environment, depending upon the type of coal being used. If instead of the 100-watt incandescent lamp, you use a 25-watt CFL, the power plant mercury emissions drop to between 10 and 18 mg over the same 10,000 hour period, again depending upon the type of coal used. Even when the 5 mg of mercury in the CFL is added to the environment at the end of the lamp's 10,000 hours life, the total mercury from using the CFL is far less than using the incandescent lamp. Mercury emissions will be lower for For lower power incandescent lamps and CFL replacements, but for any incandescent lamp of 40 watts or greater, there will be more mercury added to the environment by using an incandescent lamp than by using a CFL, assuming that the electricity used to operate both is generated by burning coal.
Because CFLs contain mercury they should be recycled instead of thrown in the normal trash. However, even if a relatively large number of CFLs are disposed of in landfills instead of being recycled, they will not significantly increase the amount of mercury in the waste stream. A report titled Mercury Programme, published by the United Nations Environmental Programme, estimated that in 2000 there were 145 metric tons of mercury added to the solid waste stream in the United States. If 200 million CFLs, each containing 5 mg of mercury were placed in the solid waste stream in one year, they would add only 1 metric ton, or less than 0.7% of the total annual mercury load in the waste stream.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
jamesinclair had the perfect response to the whole lightbulb freakout in the other older thread:

jamesinclair in other thread said:
The law has been written to allow halogen incandescent light bulbs, which look just like other incandescent bulbs, but use 20% less energy.

Every time someone pulls the "I dont like cfls", slap them in the face for being an idiot.


1) The law was passed by republicans
2) The law doesn't "force" you to buy anything. You can buy halogens, cfls or leds of different strengths, colors etc.

"bu but the mercury!"
-Shut the fuck up, nobody is forcing you to buy and then break a CFL

"bu but the color, i like my yellows!"
-Shut the fuck up and read the damn box, bulbs come in ranges of colors

"bu but the color reproduction"
-Shut the fuck up and read the box, bulbs are rated for this

"bu but my oven!"
-Shut the fuck up, the law is packed with exceptions.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=417505&page=164
 

ToxicAdam

Member
On average, urban and intercity rail projects run over budget by 45 percent, roads by 20 percent, and bridges and tunnels by 34 percent… A charitable explanation is that promoters are starry- eyed and suffer from what psychologists call optimism bias. But it’s suspicious that forecasters rarely seem to learn, even over decades of experience. Alas, contractors, local governments and other advocates have strong incentives to underplay costs and exaggerate benefits to sell their services or attract funding.
And the averages tell only part of the story. Rail projects are especially prone to cost underestimation. Seventy-five percent run at least 24 percent over projections, while 25 percent go over budget by at least 60 percent, Flyvbjerg finds

Rail-ridership predictions are especially over- optimistic in the U.S., where the average gap between expectations and reality is 60 percent, compared with 23 percent in Europe

bu bu Wisconsin and Ohio throwing away 'free money' ...


Link
 

TomServo

Junior Member
FLEABttn said:
The margins are probably pretty similar to a normal bulb, and with decreased demand they probably make as much money off those as they do normal bulbs.

But that's just the pricer in me talking~

GE lobbied for CFLs.

Incandecents were made in GE factories in the US. Their CFLs are made in China.

EDIT: For the record, I love CFLs.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
PantherLotus said:
Republicans committing election fraud, failing, being Republicans.

To be fair, isn't that not all that unusual?
 

Jackson50

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The U.S. and South Korea are meeting later this week to negotiate a new nuclear cooperation (123) agreement. The current agreement, which expires in 2014, prohibits the South Koreans from reprocessing spent fuel; rather, they need permission to reprocess fuel used in American reactors, and they constitute the majority of their 20 reactors. Obviously, they want to secure that ability in the new agreement. Although SK has generally conformed to non-proliferation guidelines, they have not been perfectly transparent. I think this presents the U.S. an opportunity to improve non-proliferation safeguards and bolster bilateral relations. And given its recent affirmation of the agreement with India, I think the Administration will be amenable.
Milchjon said:
Does Jon Huntsman stand chance?
As a European, he seems like a candidate I could actually live with.
Any flaws that I should know of?
No. His only chance was to win the support of establishment Republicans and moderate partisans. And given the cavalcade of endorsements for Romney last week, the establishment is apparently not supporting him. And moderates are a small bloc.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Tea bagger Nation has some harsh words for Boner:

John Boehner is either a gutless coward, an absolute idiot or both. What floors me is under the circumstances the GOP rank and file has not done something about him. The GOP has the greatest mandate in a century and not only is Boehner blowing the mandate, he may single handedly return Nancy Pelosi to the Speaker’s chair. We could ask what is he thinking but it is obvious he is not thinking.

Boehner has got to go immediately and the GOP needs to replace him now. We need someone who has courage and convictions. We need someone who will not sell us out. In short, we need anyone but John Boehner.

As pitiful as it is to see those in power become too frightened to go against their mouth breathing base, I can't help but be jealous at the idea that libruls wouldn't ever be able to scare dems in such a way.

I also have to say it's slightly strange to see the tea baggers go against Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce, when these are the type of people they're supposed to take their marching orders from.
 

XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
Kosmo said:
How do I dispose of those again? Is it open the windows, then put on the dust mask, or dust mask then open the windows?
Where do you get your talking points? Is there a site that compiles and updates all of them so I can stay on top of the latest ones?
 

Ether_Snake

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Oblivion said:
Tea bagger Nation has some harsh words for Boner:



As pitiful as it is to see those in power become too frightened to go against their mouth breathing base, I can't help but be jealous at the idea that libruls wouldn't ever be able to scare dems in such a way.

I also have to say it's slightly strange to see the tea baggers go against Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce, when these are the type of people they're supposed to take their marching orders from.

The more radical their base gets, the less likely it is that the GOP can find an actual candidate to be president. They are so geared on negative attacks that when the time comes to find someone of their own, NO ONE can fit the bill.

I like it.
 

Baraka in the White House

2-Terms of Kombat
Ether_Snake said:
The more radical their base gets, the less likely it is that the GOP can find an actual candidate to be president. They are so geared on negative attacks that when the time comes to find someone of their own, NO ONE can fit the bill.

I like it.

Eh, it's what they get for cupping the Tea Party's collective nuts through 2010.
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
Zero Hero said:
Don't know about GE specifically, but I'm guessing the electric utility industry has thrown money at this. The last thing they want is energy efficiency(unless it's there own). NYSEG has much of their fleet running off natural gas. Why don't I have that option?
As pointed out by others GE lobbied for CFLs, my giess would be patents etc probably played into it more than per bulb margins.

On the contrary, many (electric) utility providers , and municipal utilities explicitly encourage conservation, and often reward their customers for using less energy. Thats why they often offer rebates on new appliances, windows etc.

Power plants of any variety are expensive, and what is really really expensive is maintaing and starting up back up plants that are used infrequently. To the extent the utility can continue to using their existing facilities and extend them to more customers because of reduced demand per customer makes them more money than increased demand for all customers.

I probably am not making sense :(
 

ToxicAdam

Member
Zero Hero is too addled by misinformation to recognize that corporations play both sides of the game and *every* government action creates a new cottage industry that gets exploited in some way. Regulation and 'change' only happens at the behest of the corporations that have lobbied hard enough and will benefit more from it than the existing reality.

He's probably still delusional enough to think he's on 'team anti-corporation'.


Also, why would public utility companies lobby against the bulbs? They have already figured out ways to make money from them.
 
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
CFLs are that cheap now? I've never bought one yet.
I just checked GEs site and it says $3.77/bulb compared to $0.27 for an incandescent.
Anyway, getting off topic I suppose.

Who the hell shops for bulbs at ge.com?

Just go to home depot and see what they charge.

Halogens are only slightly more expensive than the old type, and again, youll save it very quickly in your reduced energy costs.

CFL lights vary. Want a dome shaped light thats good for fans, dims and has amazing color reproduction and is very bright? Thats cost $9, but again, youll save money after a couple of years.

Want a run of the mill 60w replacement? Thatll cost $1

LEDs are still very expensive ($30+) but supposedly save money in the long term. I dont own any yet, but 2012 should see prices at less shocking levels.

Suikoguy said:
jamesinclair had the perfect response to the whole lightbulb freakout in the other older thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=417505&page=164


People should listen to this guy!




And also, corporations always do the right thing right? Thats why we should privatize everything, because corporations know how to run america.

Corporations have been using fluorescent since, what, the 1940s?

And visit any supermarket built in the past 4 years (or remodeled). LED's EVERYWHERE.

Whats good for corporate american is good for us lowly citizens right?
 

sangreal

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I replaced all the CFLs in my house with incandescents. I tried so many different brands/color temps/sizes; read lots of reviews, etc. If I'm going to waste so much money, I might as well do it on the light I prefer
 
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