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You are blaming Obama for dumbing the campaign? Were you asleep for the last 4 years?

I critique democrats like I'd critique a friend or family member for doing something they should know better about.

I judge the republican campaign like I judge a convict who has been incarcerated multiple times. There's not much more to be said, but you shake your head all the same.

I'm curious to know, is this the first time you've followed an election this closely? Of course, in a magical world, politics would be fought by Marquess of Queensbury rules and everything would be rainbows. But just as you say businesses should be more efficient, politics should actually be a little more dirty.

I'm not saying there are no boundaries, but what you're calling "disgusting" is actually a strength on the part of the campaign, because it means they have the cunning and daring to do something you wouldn't have the stomach to do (I bet if you were in their situation, however, you would).

Politics is life's arena. Calling it disgusting is just a pretense of being above it when in actuality the people who dare to do these things are exactly the politicians who stand above you.

Now this post is putrid. Nice way of justifying a campaign that is misleading its' electorate. "Bu...bu...they have to do it to win!!"
 
Are we really going to blame Romney for the dynamics of the global economy?
"As your president, I promise to bring prosperity to America, unless the dynamics of the global economy dictate that I and my associates can make more money by sticking America in the pooper. That's just how it goes, guys. Capitalism, you know? I mean, I care about my fellow citizens and all but I'm not just going to leave money on the table, that's insane."
 

RDreamer

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But that's exactly the point. Romney doesn't care. That's the problem.

If companies and executives cared more about what they were providing to their customers,their employees, and society at large, this kind of stuff wouldn't happen. Banks wouldn't wrecklessly overleverage themselves because of the risk it presents to their affiliated parties. Outsourcing and laying people off to become more "efficient" wouldn't be thrown around so freely by companies already making lots of money

I personally don't think that we should make them care or guilt them into caring or what har you. Their job is to profit. If one company doesn't take advantage of something some other one will. So I never really blame businessmen. They're gonna do what they're gonna do. Now government is supposed to be there to step in, define the line that shouldn't be crossed and put in incentives to make sure things happen ethically. Now Romney is part of the problem, and again I don't blame him, but he does need to prove that he would try and change those things. And he hasn't. That's my problem is that he doesn't seem to acknowledge it much
 

werks

Banned
Is that you Ed Randell?

Yes lets hold the democrats to be better than that, at least we can feel good about ourselves when women's reproductive rights, LGBT rights, healthcare, education & tax policies are taken back to the stone ages.
 
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werks

Banned

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Come on Rove.
 
Except that that's not what the ad is getting at.

It ends with 'Mitt Romney's not the solution. He's the problem'.

So this is what they constitute as a problem? Dumbing the campaign to this level is disgusting.

Because the level of discourse about freedom, bowing down to enemies, wanting a weak america, and debt be bad was so elevated.

Please.
 
Anyone else very wary of an ideology that will tell you about the economic splendors of offshoring and its humanitarian victories in one breath, and then turn around and complain about foreign aid in the next?

It's as if the good to other nations is a bullet-point consequence of other goals...
 
Huh?

It's ridiculous that we're dependent on foreign rockets, but what does that have to do with any of the Romney stuff?

Obama cut the new rocket, forcing us to hitch a ride on Russian Rockets.

I don´t think people are as concerned about NASA as they are about their own jobs though.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
lol, so that one asshole right winger who said Obama looks like a skinny coke head or something to that effect, apparently isn't happy that Colbert is getting a lot of attention in them fancy reading colleges. But here's the money quote:

I get it that liberals believe in evolution, but do they really they think journalism is growing more profound by transforming from long-form documentaries on migrant workers to Colbert’s completely self-promotional, punchline-packed congressional testimony on migrant workers?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-...column-colberts-campus-coddlers#ixzz20joyZmAB
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Is it possible the main reason why Romney won't release his tax returns is because he didn't pay anything in taxes for a couple of years?

That's what I was thinking prior to this week. Now it may be a question of things Romney did that may have been illegal, as opposed to just morally bankrupt.
 

Tim-E

Member
I seriously can't believe that the Romney campaign would rather the Obama camp and media CONSTANTLY talk about releasing his tax returns rather than actually releasing them. If Romney would rather take the absolutely dreadful press he's gotten this week over actually releasing them, then what's in them must be especially bad. I think he's just hoping that he can put it off so long that people stop asking. With the building narrative of the Obama campaign, I don't what would be worse for Romney.
 
Is it possible the main reason why Romney won't release his tax returns is because he didn't pay anything in taxes for a couple of years?

I think that's very possible - or at the least, he has paid less than the previously revealed 14% before.

I have no idea why Romney didn't at least close his various foreign bank accounts in 2009, considering he knew he'd be running for president in year years. There's not much he could do about his taxes considering they were already filed/payed, but I must wonder what's the problem here. This isn't some arcane or ridiculous demand (you know, like a birth certificate) - this is something all presidential candidates release. John Kerry had released 20 years of taxes before he even ran in 2004 (at which point he released two more) and he was the richest modern candidate since JFK.

I wonder if he attempted to give McCain's camp less than 15 years of taxes before ultimately giving 23. If he had simply released 10 earlier this year, few would be talking about it today.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
I seriously can't believe that the Romney campaign would rather the Obama camp and media CONSTANTLY talk about releasing his tax returns rather than actually releasing them. If Romney would rather take the absolutely dreadful press he's gotten this week over actually releasing them, then what's in them must be especially bad. I think he's just hoping that he can put it off so long that people stop asking. With the building narrative of the Obama campaign, I don't what would be worse for Romney.

Well, if all else fails, Romney could always counter by demanding Obama release his birth certificate.
 

Measley

Junior Member
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Is this really the budget that Romney wants to implement via Paul Ryan? The gutting of Pell Grants alone scares the crap out of me.
 
I'm sure Romney's reluctance to release his taxes is because he paid zero or close to in some years (i.e. when he wasn't running for president and didn't have to prop up his numbers). There's no other reason he'd be this secretive about it.

Unless it also proved that he was a felon by collecting income from Bain Capital when he told FEC he did not.

Tim-E said:
Man, I hope Romney doesn't go there OR after the college transcripts. Bams is FUCKED if that happens.
Shush guys, he might be reading!
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
I seriously can't believe that the Romney campaign would rather the Obama camp and media CONSTANTLY talk about releasing his tax returns rather than actually releasing them. If Romney would rather take the absolutely dreadful press he's gotten this week over actually releasing them, then what's in them must be especially bad. I think he's just hoping that he can put it off so long that people stop asking. With the building narrative of the Obama campaign, I don't what would be worse for Romney.

It's like Romney birtherism, only he doesn't have a birth certificate to produce when he gets sick of it. Just a complicated offshore tax scam, printed on secret muslin.
 

Tim-E

Member
I hope some insider or inside journalist writes a book about the inner workings of this campaign once it's over. It's such a spectacular mess that it would make for a very compelling read.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Is this really the budget that Romney wants to implement via Paul Ryan? The gutting of Pell Grants alone scares the crap out of me.

Only those with bootstraps deserve to go to college. If you can't work forty hours a week on top of a full courseload then you don't deserve an education. Unless your parents are rich.
 
I hope some insider or inside journalist writes a book about the inner workings of this campaign once it's over. It's such a spectacular mess that it would make for a very compelling read.

I'm sure we'll start hearing anonymous grumbling among Romney's campaign very soon. And when all is said and done even more will come out the wood work. I think it's clear even top republicans don't like the guy
 
I hope some insider or inside journalist writes a book about the inner workings of this campaign once it's over. It's such a spectacular mess that it would make for a very compelling read.
It'll be like Ides of March, except the candidate still loses.

PhoenixDark said:
I'm sure we'll start hearing anonymous grumbling among Romney's campaign very soon. And when all is said and done even more will come out the wood work. I think it's clear even top republicans don't like the guy
You mean in 2021? can't imagine any Republicans would want to try and undermine Romney's presidency like that.
 

Tim-E

Member
Sometimes it's fun to remind yourself that Romney won because he was the one who could beat Obama in the general because of his great economic experience. Look at what his economic experience is getting him now. :lol
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
I'm sure we'll start hearing anonymous grumbling among Romney's campaign very soon. And when all is said and done even more will come out the wood work. I think it's clear even top republicans don't like the guy

You think they'll abandon him? The money pouring in seems to be ignoring his problems. Just burning cash if that's how they feel. It wouldn't surprise me, however. The corporations aren't partisan, they're venal. They'll go for the best fiscal return, which is deregulation and lower taxes.
 
You think they'll abandon him? The money pouring in seems to be ignoring his problems. Just burning cash if that's how they feel. It wouldn't surprise me, however. The corporations aren't partisan, they're venal. They'll go for the best fiscal return, which is deregulation and lower taxes.
He'll still get big money support, but some backers might focus on Senate/House contests instead if Romney's looking like a lost cause.
 
You mean in 2021? can't imagine any Republicans would want to try and undermine Romney's presidency like that.

This happens all the time though. We saw it in 2008 when republican grumblings lead to him revamping his entire staff. I don't expect anyone to throw Romney under the bus on record, but we're already seeing the GOP elite wonder wtf is going on.

Romney's Boston staff is going to be reshuffled soon, there's no doubt about it
 

Tim-E

Member
Has a recent campaign ever threw their old staff out in the middle of election season, got a new one, and came out a winner?
 
Is that likely to be interpreted as a sign of weakness or concern by the masses?

Honestly I don't think the masses pay attention to stuff like that. It's more of a symptom of a problem that already exists among the masses - ie the campaign isn't effective, voters are being turned off, etc. Romney should be introducing himself to the American people right now, instead Obama is destroying his credentials. So he can't run on being a governor, because his term wasn't eventful outside of passing the blueprint for Obamacare. Now he can't take about his business record without voters thinking "Bain/off sourcing/off shoring." The only thing left is the Olympics. Good luck with that.

As long as we're not talking about the economy, Obama wins
 

Tim-E

Member
how many days till the next jobs report? team romney must be counting down the days

Next BLS report won't be until August 3rd. Although, Romney has tried and failed to capitalize on muddling jobs reports over the last two months. I don't think he'll all of a sudden just "get it" and we'll spend a week talking about. They're always in the news and Obama doesn't seem to have taken much damage from them, even though the last two months have been the worst recently. Obama's campaign seems far more disciplined and capable of making the conversation their own. Having the bully pulpit of the presidency helps this tremendously. I don't think the Romney camp will be able to capitalize on a poor jobs report if they weren't capable of running with the last two like they should've.
 
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