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[PhoenixDark]

Another case of Romney getting shitted on by a republican
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/matthew-...obama-is-karma-for-when-he-bashed-gop-rivals/

 

[Averon]

how many days till the next jobs report? team romney must be counting down the days

I'm sure the Obama camp has something to take the media's attention off the jobs numbers from now until election day. The Obama camp is really good at making the media forget that a jobs report was even released.

 

[Tim-E]

I'm sure the Obama camp has something to take the media's attention off the jobs numbers from now until election day. The Obama camp is really good at making the media forget that a jobs report was even released.

They probably have a laundry list of executive orders they can implement that they are just waiting to put into place until some bad economic news comes up.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Another case of Romney getting shitted on by a republican
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/matthew-...obama-is-karma-for-when-he-bashed-gop-rivals/

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the core GOP leadership truly don't believe they can win in 2012 and sent Romney to die.

 

[Black Republican]

They probably have a laundry list of executive orders they can implement that they are just waiting to put into place until some bad economic news comes up.

hmmm, something something mary jane?:O

 

[Tim-E]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the core GOP leadership truly don't believe they can win in 2012 and sent Romney to die.

Well, considering the batch of people they had to choose from, he actually was the best bet they had at winning. Though it doesn't take much to stand out among Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain and Rick Santorum as being the least crazy.

I still wish the Cain Train had made its way through the primaries. Imagine how entertaining this general would've been.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I'm sure we'll start hearing anonymous grumbling among Romney's campaign very soon. And when all is said and done even more will come out the wood work. I think it's clear even top republicans don't like the guy

Unless polls start showing Obama polling at 50% or higher, I don't think it is coming.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Just a couple months ago there were multiple stories about GOP elites beginning to think Romney could win. I think the GOP still thinks he can win thanks to the economy, but I doubt they have much confidence in his political team. But with Obama below 50% in every poll, maybe they'll lay low for now

I think everyone underestimated the Obama campaign though

 

[reilo]

Just a couple months ago there were multiple stories about GOP elites beginning to think Romney could win. I think the GOP still thinks he can win thanks to the economy, but I doubt they have much confidence in his political team. But with Obama below 50% in every poll, maybe they'll lay low for now

I think everyone underestimated the Obama campaign though

Did you know that on July 15, 2008, Obama was at 47% in the national polls against McCain according to RCP.com, and didn't hit a steady 50% until October 22nd?

Do you want to guess what Obama is at right now versus Mittens? 46.8%.

The more you know.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Did you know that on July 15, 2008, Obama was at 47% in the national polls against McCain according to RCP.com, and didn't hit a steady 50% until October 22nd?

Do you want to guess what Obama is at right now versus Mittens? 46.8%.

The more you know.

And who was the incumbent in that race? Oh wait

 

[thefro]

Drip Drip drip

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-15/romney-s-bain-yielded-private-gains-socialized-losses.html

Mitt Romney touts his business acumen and job-creation record as a key qualification for being the next U.S. president.

What’s clear from a review of the public record during his management of the private-equity firm Bain Capital from 1985 to 1999 is that Romney was fabulously successful in generating high returns for its investors. He did so, in large part, through heavy use of tax-deductible debt, usually to finance outsized dividends for the firm’s partners and investors. When some of the investments went bad, workers and creditors felt most of the pain. Romney privatized the gains and socialized the losses.

 

[Kosmo]

Drip Drip drip

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-15/romney-s-bain-yielded-private-gains-socialized-losses.html

So what you're saying is, Romney was a very successful business man and knows how to run a company...?

 

[Ether_Snake]

The internet has not been kinda to Mittens.

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"We needed someone of Romney's stature to run the Olympics, because it would have been an embarrassment..."

They're really holding that Olympic string really hard.

That's funny considering the Republicans usually think the Olympics is shit and UnAmerican and whatnot. It's like a UN-sports division to them.

 

[werks]

So what you're saying is, Romney was a very successful business man and knows how to run a company...?

I wouldn't call it run...

 

[Kosmo]

That's funny considering the Republicans usually think the Olympics is shit and UnAmerican and whatnot. It's like a UN-sports division to them.

What is this nonsense?

 

[bananas]

So what you're saying is, Romney was a very successful business man and knows how to run a company...?

Knows how to run a company but not a presidential campaign, apparently.

 

[Chumly]

So what you're saying is, Romney was a very successful business man and knows how to run a company...?

Very successful at abusing the system for his own gain. I don't think anyone could lie there. This just means he would make a horrendously bad president.

 

[RustyNails]

how many days till the next jobs report? team romney must be counting down the days

Dont forget romney's biggest ace he's counting on, his VP pick -> RNC convention. That's when people REALLY pay attention. I suppose team romney's silver lining is that this bain story exploded 4 months before election, not 1.

 

[TacticalFox88]

So what you're saying is, Romney was a very successful business man and knows how to run a company...?

Running a company and a country are two ENTIRELY different things. Why haven't most people figured this out yet?

 

[Jooney]

What is this nonsense?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/02/conservatives-revel-in-ob_n_307794.html

Watch the video. Who revels in the failure of a President failing to accomplish something for the nation?

 

[Kosmo]

Dont forget romney's biggest ace he's counting on, his VP pick -> RNC convention. That's when people REALLY pay attention. I suppose team romney's silver lining is that this bain story exploded 4 months before election, not 1.

It will be interesting to see if people are even talking about it much in October. Obama is great campaigner, but unless they have a LOT more on Romney, it seems they are just blowing their load to tread water from horrendous jobs numbers in the hopes that the jobs report ticks up in the coming months.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/02/conservatives-revel-in-ob_n_307794.html

Watch the video. Who revels in the failure of a President failing to accomplish something for the nation?

I see morons who hate Obama so much they don't want his ego inflated any more. I see nothing about Republicans saying the Olympics are shit and unAmerican and whatnot.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Dont forget romney's biggest ace he's counting on, his VP pick -> RNC convention. That's when people REALLY pay attention. I suppose team romney's silver lining is that this bain story exploded 4 months before election, not 1.

Thing is, there's not really any good VP pick for Romney. Most of the candidates are boring or have too much baggage. His vp pick won't make much of a difference imo, and it shouldn't - the top of the ticket needs to energize folks, not the running mate.

 

[Ether_Snake]

You don't run a nation like you run a corporation. Unless you're a self-serving greedy prick.

Who can believe that Romney wants to be president to improve the lives of Americans and future generations? The private sector teaches how to make profits, not create jobs. Job creation is only a temporary necessity until you have the cash to eliminate them. It's no different than having to pay a supplier.

 

[NullPointer]

Romney privatized the gains and socialized the losses.

Well how about that.

Running a company and a country are two ENTIRELY different things. Why haven't most people figured this out yet?

No, its exactly like going over the bills at the dinner table.

 

[RDreamer]

Running a company and a country are two ENTIRELY different things. Why haven't most people figured this out yet?

Seriously, this bugs the fuck out of me. Businesses =\= governments. They're literally on the opposite end of the spectrum for me.

As I said earlier, I don't fault anyone for doing what's legal in business. If one company doesn't, another will. It's a businesses job to make money. Literally I think he purpose of a business in a capitalistic society is to make the most amount of money off the least amount of work. That's the goal. Period. A government with that goal would just collapse. A government isn't a business. A government is the watchdog. It's the rule maker for the businesses making sure that the doing whatever they can to make a dollar doesn't fuck everything up for everyone else. Their goal should literally be making life better for the most amount of people in society that they can.

Basically a business is make more money irregardless of the outcome, whereas the government should be focused on the outcome overall for society. Business is what's best for your wallet. Government is what's best for people. Opposites.

Being a businessman doesn't qualify you for being president. That's not to say that one couldn't make a good president. Sure, they could. But I personally think they need to be able to acknowledge the differences in the positions and use that to their advantage in order to do it.

 

[Black Republican]

Dont forget romney's biggest ace he's counting on, his VP pick -> RNC convention. That's when people REALLY pay attention. I suppose team romney's silver lining is that this bain story exploded 4 months before election, not 1.

at this point, does anyone even want to be his vp pick? lolz forever alone

 

[Gallbaro]

Do they? I dunno, I think it's usually an excuse for fun sports nationalism, which is totally in their bailiwick.

Maybe you're thinking of when they were rooting for Chicago to lose their Olympics bid? That was purely based on wanting Obama to look bad, not dislike for the Olympics themselves.

No smart person would ever want the olympics to come to their city.

 

[RDreamer]

lol, a friend of mine said he got #retroactively to trend on twitter for a while.

 

[Qazaq]

So what you're saying is, Romney was a very successful business man and knows how to run a company...?

Romney privatized the gains and socialized the losses.

This is COMPLETELY what's wrong with Wall Street at the moment. It's completely hypocritical and antithetical to the idea of taking risk. There's no real risk -- if it works, you make money, if not, the taxpayers bail you out.

You think this kind of practice, especially after 2008, is what we're touting as "successful"?

 

[Dr. Pangloss]

I think the real reason the media stops talking about the job numbers is because the story is old. There is nothing new to report. "Numbers are not good. Obama is doomed." Stories revolving around them won't be around long because all the ideas around them have been voiced. Since we have 24 hour shows, they need something new. Hence why we are talking about Bain or whatever the campaigns are doing that day.

So the numbers come out and only get 2-4 days of traction at most, and they only represent what is happening on a national scale. This means you have some real problems like in Nevada, Michigan, and Florida. But there are some bright spots like South Dakota or Texas. And you have polls like this:

I don't think Obama is going to be hurt by these numbers as most think.

 

[fallagin]

What is this nonsense?

It's Socialism.

 

[RDreamer]

Apparently 83% of doctors might quit over Obamacare

Breitbart.com, Drudge, and even Fox News picked up that awful survey and story.

Wow.

That's about all I have to say about that...

 

[MonkeyKing]

Are we really going to blame Romney for the dynamics of the global economy? That's ridiculous. The American economy is healthier because it can move back-office jobs to developing countries, while becoming more competitive internationally, and thus growing to allow for higher levels of skilled employment.

People may have been affected by this shift, but to place that anger on Romney is low and it's dirty.



There is absolutely nothing unethical about moving jobs to developing countries. You use language like 'wreck the lives of...' and 'deprive them of their source of income...' because it suits your narrative. On the flip side, one could argue that to stop that would be to deprive developing economies from actually realizing their potential in the global market and keeping them in the 'third world' so to speak.

From an economic perspective, no government should hinder such exchanges. Forcefully keeping jobs in the country makes your industries uncompetitive and slow to adapt. It's simply bad policy, unless it can be justified otherwise.

Why, yes... Yes I can! I think that whole argument up there is horseshit. There is no good reason for working people to agree with policies that put them out of work for some greater global good. Outsourcing may well be good business practice for people like Romney but for the rest of us, its nothing but stress and hardship. Romney knows it too, thats why he's eager to run away from it.

Whats more, the job of POTUS is to look after the interests of all US citizens, We're supposed to elect a guy that got paid for putting people out of work? Normally, we rarely ever see or know who these guys are, but here is one and he wants to be President. Screw him and sorry if thats unfair to his feelings or his business philosophy.

 

[Clevinger]

This is COMPLETELY what's wrong with Wall Street at the moment. It's completely hypocritical and antithetical to the idea of taking risk. There's no real risk -- if it works, you make money, if not, the taxpayers bail you out.

Pretty much. It's sad that anyone respects Romney for this shit. And I'm surprised how little Obama's campaign/Democrats have used this info, because the practice is so fucking loathsome.

 

[kehs]

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I totally forgot about the Olympics Bid rejection, and now it totally makes sense why they're playing up the Olympics any chance they get.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Apparently 83% of doctors might quit over Obamacare

Breitbart.com, Drudge, and even Fox News picked up that awful survey and story.

Wow.

That's about all I have to say about that...

I don't know if it is good or bad for doctors, but I know my wife's OB/GYN doesn't like it and he has been delivering babies for 35+ years, so he has seen A LOT of changes go through. He might just be another old fart who doesn't like change/is ignorant of actual policy. I am not sure. He DID deliver me though 3 decades ago!

 

[Mario]

Being a businessman doesn't qualify you for being president. That's not to say that one couldn't make a good president. Sure, they could. But I personally think they need to be able to acknowledge the differences in the positions and use that to their advantage in order to do it.

That I think is the missed opportunity of the Romney campaign. Positioning his business experience as giving him an understanding of the challenges of entrepreneurs and "job creators" and suggesting his term as a governor as having then given him deeper appreciation of social issues would perhaps have allowed him to have his cake and eat it too. Call them out explicitly as being different things with different objectives, and demonstrate how those experiences uniquely qualify you for the position of POTUS.

I guess, though, that it is not something a politician in the US can do seeing as they can seemingly be called out for any position they have ever* had and changing your mind or behavior on something gets you labeled as a flip flopper.


* unless you had a marital affair, in which case nobody cares once you "apologize to the American people and my family"

 

[Dr. Pangloss]

I don't know if it is good or bad for doctors, but I know my wife's OB/GYN doesn't like it and he has been delivering babies for 35+ years, so he has seen A LOT of changes go through. He might just be another old fart who doesn't like change/is ignorant of actual policy. I am not sure. He DID deliver me though 3 decades ago!

That's probably because Medicaid pays for nearly half of all births in Nebraska: http://www.kff.org/womenshealth/upload/8014.pdf (page 11 of the document). Does your wife's OB/GYN work at a state hospital? If so, then his percentage is probably higher. Oh course he won't be happy with the change in payments from quantity to quality.

 

[Hobbestetrician]

He might just be another old fart who doesn't like change/is ignorant of actual policy. I am not sure.

While I can't speak to your specific doctor, my anecdotal experience is that some older doctors are less happy about the changes compared to younger/soon-to-be doctors who haven't been dealing with the older system. There have been lots of changes throughout those 35 years but even all of them might not be more than the changes this one bill does. I have to think that dealing with something one way for 35 years and having it change so suddenly would get me to be wary of how things will be affected going forward. While those not as ingrained in the old system may be much more welcoming of changes or capable of adapting better.

So it will be a little while before the full ACA is in place and even longer before it gets fully ingrained into the medical community.

Edit:

That's probably because Medicaid pays for nearly half of all births in Nebraska: http://www.kff.org/womenshealth/upload/8014.pdf (page 11 of the document). Does your wife's OB/GYN work at a state hospital? If so, then his percentage is probably higher. Oh course he won't be happy with the change in payments from quantity to quality.

Or this.

 

[werks]

Pretty much. It's sad that anyone respects Romney for this shit. And I'm surprised how little Obama's campaign/Democrats have used this info, because the practice is so fucking loathsome.

Exactly, outsourcing is the least offensive part of Bain. It's an easy attack that makes Romney squirm and brings the focus back to his taxes. Taxes he will never want to release.

It's funny that Kosmo thinks that the Obama campaign blew their load early. This is just setting the narrative. Wait till how exactly Romney created his wealth through leveraged buyouts is scrutinized. From buyouts that are entirely financed by debt that is added to the company's book, making the company pay Bain an insane amount of money and basically bleeding a healthy company dry, the imminent bankruptcy that follows, the loss the creditors took, the impact the employees felt & the direct and indirect results of Bain's actions that cost taxpayers money. Yeah, Bain will keep on giving to the Obama campaign.

But ofcourse that's good business according to Kosmo.

 

[Chumly]

I don't know if it is good or bad for doctors, but I know my wife's OB/GYN doesn't like it and he has been delivering babies for 35+ years, so he has seen A LOT of changes go through. He might just be another old fart who doesn't like change/is ignorant of actual policy. I am not sure. He DID deliver me though 3 decades ago!

I was just at the med center and a nurse was complaining about entering in my wife's medical information on the computer to have an electronic file. The big bad government was making them. But it only had to be done once and then all the doctors have access and are one click away. I was completely flabbergasted that he actually thought the pen and paper file method is somehow more efficient or better.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I was just at the med center and a nurse was complaining about entering in my wife's medical information on the computer to have an electronic file. The big bad government was making them. But it only had to be done once and then all the doctors have access and are one click away. I was completely flabbergasted that he actually thought the pen and paper file method is somehow more efficient.

It wasn't about efficiency or logic. She knows how to do one thing, and doesn't want to learn how to do something else - even if it's more efficient. Anyone who works with baby boomers knows they're quite computer illiterate and often intimidated by new things/software

 

[The Technomancer]

It wasn't about efficiency or logic. She knows how to do one thing, and doesn't want to learn how to do something else - even if it's more efficient. Anyone who works with baby boomers knows they're quite computer illiterate and often intimidated by new things/software

Not just baby boomers. Its one of the most challenging parts of designing anything: how much can you say that your design improvements increase efficiency if they're more difficult for people trained on the old system to use? Its a tricky balance to hit.

 

[Chumly]

It wasn't about efficiency or logic. She knows how to do one thing, and doesn't want to learn how to do something else - even if it's more efficient. Anyone who works with baby boomers knows they're quite computer illiterate and often intimidated by new things/software

Yea I know that was basically the gist of it but it was amazing to hear someone try and justify it and then fault the government. People are always afraid of change and the baby boomer generation is definitely one of the biggest offenders of that. My work is like a prime example of it.

 

[RDreamer]

It wasn't about efficiency or logic. She knows how to do one thing, and doesn't want to learn how to do something else - even if it's more efficient. Anyone who works with baby boomers knows they're quite computer illiterate and often intimidated by new things/software

Everyone throws a fit about everything when they have to change to something they're not used to, no matter how good the change may be. I don't think I've ever been at a job where something changed, even to something that was hands-down better that didn't create a shitstorm with at least a few people. Then after a while everyone gets used to it and it's fine, then the next worst thing in the world happens upon the workforce and the shitstorm starts again.

That's why I can never really take all the businesses complaining about regulations killing things and making things sooooo haaaaaaard seriously at all. I just can't. No matter how good of a regulation or change you make some asshat is going to complain somewhere. That's just the way it is. That's not to say I don't want regulations and systematic changes to be good and efficient and all that. It's just that I can't take it seriously as a blanked talking point that conservatives try and push endlessly.

Yea I know that was basically the gist of it but it was amazing to hear someone try and justify it and then fault the government. People are always afraid of change and the baby boomer generation is definitely one of the biggest offenders of that. My work is like a prime example of it.

It's definitely not just the baby boomers, dude. I mean I know sometimes they can be pretty vocal about certain things, but I've worked with plenty of young people too that are just lazy idiots that just want to complain and do things they way they are now, too.

 

[Chumly]

It's definitely not just the baby boomers, dude. I mean I know sometimes they can be pretty vocal about certain things, but I've worked with plenty of young people too that are just lazy idiots that just want to complain and do things they way they are now, too.

I never said it was only baby boomers. Just that they are the biggest offenders. Part of it is because they are much less computer savvy than most of the other generations.
That disadvantage for them makes them put up a huge fight.

 

[Hobbestetrician]

It's definitely not just the baby boomers, dude. I mean I know sometimes they can be pretty vocal about certain things, but I've worked with plenty of young people too that are just lazy idiots that just want to complain and do things they way they are now, too.

Just look at every time something changes on Facebook. People bitch and moan for a bit and then it becomes normal and you never really hear about it again.

 

[Puddles]

Are we really going to blame Romney for the dynamics of the global economy? That's ridiculous. The American economy is healthier because it can move back-office jobs to developing countries, while becoming more competitive internationally, and thus growing to allow for higher levels of skilled employment.

People may have been affected by this shift, but to place that anger on Romney is low and it's dirty.

The American economy is healthier? That's a new one.

 

[reilo]

And who was the incumbent in that race? Oh wait

Is that the best counter-argument you can provide?

You know what's great about RCP? They have all of their aggregates!

July 15, 2004:

Kerry: 47%
Bush: 44.6%

Kerry was up all the way until late August.

Tell me, who was the incumbent again? Oh wait

 

[Ether_Snake]

It may not have been what U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was expecting on her first visit to Cairo since Egyptians voted in their first democratic presidential election in the country’s history last month. But for a portion of her two-day visit to the Arab world’s largest country, Clinton found herself confronting the ultimate reversal of Arab-world conspiracy theories. According to some of the civil-society leaders and activists she met with — as well as some who refused to meet with her at all — the U.S., once allegedly the backer of Hosni Mubarak’s authoritarian regime, is now a supporter of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood. One Egyptian-American Christian who attended a meeting with the Secretary of State on Sunday even cited the Republican Congresswoman Michele Bachman’s recent assertion that the Obama Administration is pursuing a closeted pro-Muslim agenda.

Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/07/15/fo...-theories/?iid=gs-main-mostpop1#ixzz20l6toyFQ

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