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AlteredBeast

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RustyNails said:
Betting time. How much longer do you guys think Romney can go without releasing taxes? I'm betting 2 months.
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no,no,no. If they wait that long, they won't do it at all. I reckon that the clamoring will hit a fever pitch around this week or next. If he doesn't do it by then, it will probably fade out into background noise. If they wait 2 months, they might as well not do it at all.
 
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RustyNails

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AlteredBeast said:
no,no,no. If they wait that long, they won't do it at all. I reckon that the clamoring will hit a fever pitch around this week or next. If he doesn't do it by then, it will probably fade out into background noise. If they wait 2 months, they might as well not do it at all.
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I'm thinking it's going to be noise until the full swing of general election, with "Whats Mitt Hiding" ads tearing him down.
moop2000 said:
has the debate schedule been set?
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I think Sept 3rd is the first one.
 
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Allard

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moop2000 said:
It would be interesting to see how it plays out in debates if he holds out that long.
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Yeah the debates alone is reason enough to release it now. Obama can be absolutely brutal with messaging during debates as Hilary Clinton can attest to. He flew the "didn't vote for Iraq War" flag so strong he strung it into a ton of his other policy narratives. Its more then just the tax returns, its the whole story around the returns that can vividly depict in a live broadcast that Romney really can't refute till he actually puts the tax returns on display for everyone to scrutinize.
 
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NathanMcMahon

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Allard said:
Yeah the debates alone is reason enough to release it now. Obama can be absolutely brutal with messaging during debates as Hilary Clinton can attest to. He flew the "didn't vote for Iraq War" flag so strong he strung it into a ton of his other policy narratives. Its more then just the tax returns, its the whole story around the returns that can vividly depict in a live broadcast that Romney really can't refute till he actually puts the tax returns on display for everyone to scrutinize.
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That's why I'm kind of hoping he holds out. I want to see the gymnastics of him waffling on it. Especially when Obama brings up his flip-flopping on releasing taxes.
 
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Al-ibn Kermit said:
The main argument is that not having to charge tax gives Amazon an unfair advantage over the competition.

Obviously states can set their own sales taxes so a consumption tax/VAT isn't really relevant to the situation with Amazon since it still gives them cheaper prices than the local retailers.
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Amazon's low prices also benefit middle and working class people.
 
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Chichikov

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luoapp said:
It's very unethical, but is it really illegal?
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If it isn't than it should be (but I'm pretty sure it's illegal).

luoapp said:
Why shouldn't the President be able to see the IRS record, which is part of the Federal government. How does the firewall work here?
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Why would the president need to see a person's tax return?
Why do you think it's an power that the office needs?

The president is not a king, he does not exert unlimited power over the federal government and everything in it.
 
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RDreamer

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Even if he manages to escape the tax controversy for now the entire thing will reignite in full force when he releases his other year of returns later.
 
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MonkeyKing

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Flying_Phoenix said:
Guys something is happening to me. The more I research politics and history the more "radical" I become with my viewpoints. Is this normal?
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Dunno if "radical" is the right word for it. You might end up being a lot more moderate in your views. I think the research and history is good at clearing up ambiguities in your viewpoints, where you might not have had strong, conclusive opinions.
 
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Diablos

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PhoenixDark said:
He might be desperate enough
071812Obama-450x338.jpg
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ugh
 
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Manos: The Hans of Fate

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PantherLotus said:
Which part of it do you think is not made up?
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That the government allowed straw purchases of significant amounts if guns to be made and told the dealers when concerned about not to worry....and never tracked then where they wound up being used by cartels to kill Mexicans and turning up in the murder of a border patrol agent. Let's not forget some turned up back in the us with street gangs. Im pretty sure that wasnt made up.
 
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Manos: The Hans of Fate

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Stinkles said:
Your team is currently claiming it was a clever ten year assault on the 2nd ammendment, so not only is it nonsensical to begin with, but you doubled down on the retardation to go beyond full retard, into Overtard. And broke through to the O Dimension.
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I think claiming people need to be brainwashed is beyond full retard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyqBxD-3xw

Eric Holder said:
We need to do this everyday of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different
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Mike M

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I have to wonder if there's anything that particularly damaging in Romney's tax returns. His defense for not releasing them is the same as his defense for his tax rates, he did all he was legally obligated to (Not even sure releasing the tax returns is even a legal obligation in this instance), and not one bit more. It's as though in his mind, asking him to release more returns is akin to asking him to voluntarily pay more taxes than he owes.
 
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
I think claiming people need to be brainwashed is beyond full retard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyqBxD-3xw
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That has nothing to do with the veracity of the theory Republicans are positing and spreading around the right wing talk shows. It wouldn't do the slightest bit of harm to think of guns more cautiously. Any normal person would think of that as a positive idea. And if you are inferring he means literal brainwashing then DERP.
 
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Stinkles

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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
That the government allowed straw purchases of significant amounts if guns to be made and told the dealers when concerned about not to worry....and never tracked then where they wound up being used by cartels to kill Mexicans and turning up in the murder of a border patrol agent. Let's not forget some turned up back in the us with street gangs. Im pretty sure that wasnt made up.
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Who exactly is disputing those facts? Everyone thinks F&F was a shit idea (started under Bush, ENDED under Obama) that went very badly wrong. The disputed facts are that it was Obama's idea and that it was an attempt to thwart Second Ammendment rights. Which is fucking DERP.
 
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Manos: The Hans of Fate

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Stinkles said:
That has nothing to do with the veracity of the theory Republicans are positing and spreading around the right wing talk shows. It wouldn't do the slightest bit of harm to think of guns more cautiously. Any normal person would think of that as a positive idea. And if you are inferring he means literal brainwashing then DERP.
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You're saying that brainwashing is a good thing DEEP he clearly means to lie and re enforce the fun cowwntrol myth.

Stinkles said:
Who exactly is disputing those facts? Everyone thinks F&F was a shit idea (started under Bush, ENDED under Obama) that went very badly wrong. The disputed facts are that it was Obama's idea and that it was an attempt to thwart Second Ammendment rights. Which is fucking DERP.
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Except the scale and scope of the fuckup occurred with the Obama Admin not under Bush DERP
 
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Clevinger

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Mike M said:
I have to wonder if there's anything that particularly damaging in Romney's tax returns. His defense for not releasing them is the same as his defense for his tax rates, he did all he was legally obligated to (Not even sure releasing the tax returns is even a legal obligation in this instance), and not one bit more. It's as though in his mind, asking him to release more returns is akin to asking him to voluntarily pay more taxes than he owes.
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It's not legally required. It's a tradition. And the 'release more than one return' was somewhat popularized by George Romney, Mitt's own father, who released 12 years of returns when he ran for president and said this:

"One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show, and what mattered in personal finance was how a man conducted himself over the long haul."

And hilariously enough, Mitt Romney himself also demanded the same thing from Ted Kennedy when he ran against him in the 90s. Just another thing he's flip flopped on.
 
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Dram

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Mitt Romney Never Thought He'd Have To Release Tax Returns: Bain Sources

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1682539.html
Mitt Romney has been determined to resist releasing his tax returns at least since his bid for Massachusetts governor in 2002 and has been confident that he will never be forced to do so, several current and former Bain executives tell The Huffington Post. Had he thought otherwise, say the sources based on their longtime understanding of Romney, he never would have gone forward with his run for president.

Bain executives say they've been instructed to keep company and Romney-specific information completely confidential, tightening the lockdown on an already closed company.
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Chichikov said:
Let me go on the record and say that he's should be impeached and thrown to jail if he done this.
Also, you're crazy, but that was already on the record ;).
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Well, well well. Lookit what we gots here! Seems we got a CINO in our midst!
 
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Touchdown

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He and/or the GOP have spent the last 3 1/2 years completely trashing the POTUS on a very personal level: questioning his patriotism, his citizenship, his academic ability, his "inner-American"; they've misrepresented, and just flat-out lied about his policies and legislation which he supports. The GOP even has an entire news network unabashedly devoted to systematically bringing down the president and any democrat who supports him. THEY CREATED this current political environment we now find ourselves navigating. And he's whining about tax returns? Go cry in a bag of money Mitt. You won't find much sympathy within the general voting public.
 
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Loudninja

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Romney Doubles Down On ‘You Didn’t Build That’ — Then Affirms Obama’s Point
I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the banks, the investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teachers, the people that provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help. But let me ask you this, did you build your business? If you did, raise your hand. Take that, Mr. President.
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http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...as-own-case-for-public-investment.php?ref=fpa
 
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PhoenixDark

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A new poll commissioned by Fox News shows President Obama with a 4-point overall lead over Mitt Romney, 45 percent to 41 percent nationally. The internals of the poll underscore the incredbly close nature of the race: 50 percent of those registered voters polled said that Obama deserves re-election, while 48 percent said he does not.

On one of the classic measures of the political winds, 48 percent of voters answered “no” when asked “Thinking about your situation today compared to what it was four years ago, are you better off than you were four years ago, or not?” while 37 percent said they were better off. But one of Obama’s latest proposals fares well – ending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. When asked (after some descriptive information), “Which do you agree with more – those who support or oppose tax increases on high-income earners?” 52 percent prefer to let the tax cuts expire.
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/fox-poll-obama-by-4-nationally-but-48

Despite the distractions, this election is still going to come down to unemployment, consumer confidence, and whether voters feel they're better off. All three of which benefit Romney

We'll find out how much personality and running a good campaign truly matter. I think Obama can win, but my money remains on Romney simply due to the economic outlook. And whether he sucks or not doesn't really matter to voters who feel Obama doesn't need four more years
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Kosmo said:
Why do you keep talking about third world countries? We are talking about people living in the US - those that start businesses and what level of income they achieve through some risk and initiative, and grow to employ other Americans, versus those who build roads and collect a salary with little to no risk or need for initiative other than showing up to work and putting in the hours.
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Can you clarify this part, please?
 
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DeathbyVolcano

Banned
PhoenixDark said:
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/fox-poll-obama-by-4-nationally-but-48

Despite the distractions, this election is still going to come down to unemployment, consumer confidence, and whether voters feel they're better off. All three of which benefit Romney

We'll find out how much personality and running a good campaign truly matter. I think Obama can win, but my money remains on Romney simply due to the economic outlook. And whether he sucks or not doesn't really matter to voters who feel Obama doesn't need four more years
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You CAN'T be serious anymore PD. Just stop.
 
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PhoenixDark

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DeathbyVolcano said:
You CAN'T be serious anymore PD. Just stop.
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What's wrong with that analysis? I think it's pretty clear Romney is a horrible candidate. But like Kerry, he has a chance to win given the situation. The economic sucks and isn't getting better, and voters see Obama isn't getting anything done with congress (which admittedly isn't his fault). Why is it far fetched to suggest that considering MOST Americans feel the country is on the wrong track, they'll select the other guy IF he can prove he's qualified and capable? If this was Santorum, the race would be over. If it were Gingrich, same deal. But Romney, while a horrible candidate, has an impressive (governor, business man) resume and can engage/debate the president without embarrassing himself.
 
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DeathbyVolcano

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Because the last two weeks has shown most people on the fence that he really ISN'T capable of being an effective leader. You're holding out hope for a Romney win when there is NOTHING that will make that happen unless Obama is involved in a big scandal of some sort. The economy IS improving no matter how you want to cast it in a negative light.

Impressive resume my ass. All the shit he brags about, we've seen the other side of the issues and learned that he really isn't all that special.
 
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PhoenixDark

Banned
DeathbyVolcano said:
Because the last two weeks has shown most people on the fence that he really ISN'T capable of being an effective leader. You're holding out hope for a Romney win when there is NOTHING that will make that happen unless Obama is involved in a big scandal of some sort. The economy IS improving no matter how you want to cast it in a negative light.

Impressive resume my ass. All the shit he brags about, we've seen the other side of the issues and learned that he really isn't all that special.
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And yet Obama is still hovering around 45%...
 
JCreasy

JCreasy

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ezekial45 said:
That's just devastating to watch. I feel horrible those workers.
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Especially the end. I heard that and my heart sank. PriortiesUSA has that running in several swing states right now.

That ad right there, in heavy rotation, will be the final nail that does it.
 
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