TacticalFox88
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I fail to see how this election could even be close to being described as "boring"
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I fail to see how this election could even be close to being described as "boring"
Because at this point and it could change, the 'race' is basically pollsters and media companies driving up the ad rates. This is almost literally true. If I were someone like a Koch brother, or that fucking Zionist clown Romney hangs out with, I would save my money or use it to try and bribe Obama.
Also that idiot scientist the Koch brothers have been sponsoring for years came out and said global warming is real, but that the solution is natural gas fracking.
Isn't it, though? We're not even in the swimsuit stage and I'm tired of the rote, boilerplate political ads highlighting some combination of Obama's endless optimism and Romney's unrelenting Romneyness.
The debates will renew some interest, but only insofar as they produce gaffes. It's depressing how superficial these election cycles have increasingly become in this era of Huffington Post, 24-hour news cycles and fucking youtube comments.
Romney Stands By Claim That Hell Create 12 Million Jobs In 4 Years
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-stands-by-claim-that-hell-create-12
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Unless Obama can promise 12,000,001 jobs, Romney has my vote locked up.
You missed him calling Obama "stupid" and Reid a liar. It was rather enjoyable.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
LOL
Wow. It's amazing to see all the crap these guys come up with.
"It's not real!"
"Wait, it's real--but man isn't doing it!"
"OK, we may be doing it, but the solution is fracking!"
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Has he ever said how this would actually happen?
Well you know by doing stuff.
Oh man haha.
Romney Reaches Out To Jewish Voters, Plays Up Israel Visit In New Ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1YFdGQqJdE&feature=player_embedded
Romney Reaches Out To Jewish Voters, Plays Up Israel Visit In New Ad
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-reaches-out-to-jewish-voters-plays-up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1YFdGQqJdE&feature=player_embedded
With Mitt Romney in the White House companies across the land will let out an enormous sigh of relief. The combined force of all of this expelled air will be enough to shake America out of its socialism-induced funk and unshackled job creators will finally be able to resume job creating. While progressives are trying to harness this collective exhale with elitist Scandinavian wind turbines, real Americans will be confident enough to start consuming corn and buying NFL jerseys, saving the economy and serving as a harsh rebuke of failed European welfare states like Germany.
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As a Jew, this deep pandering is quite sickening.
Mitt: "Look, I'm wearing a yarmulke! I eat kosher too! Loooove bagels! Vote for me jews!!"
el retorno
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Or you have actual Israelis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IIjl4hBVSc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMUHtk0LnYE
I think most Jews don´t buy into the whole Obama hates Israel meme. Only the crazy evangelicals who were never voting for Obama. This is more to stroke some big egos so they give more money.
What's really sad is that he isn't pandering to Jews, he's pandering to Christian fundamentalists who believe that Jesus is coming back and that Israel needs to exist so the rapture can happen, or some shit. The same Christians he's pandering to require ALL of those Jews, after this magic Jesus and trumpets shit goes down, to convert to Christianity on the spot to avoid you know, going to hell.
So literally, he's supporting a supernatural event that would destroy the Jewish state and replace it not with a Muslim one, but a Christian one. Mitt Romney, working for the destruction of the entire Jewish religion, via salvation, which in turn isn't even the chosen path of his own Mormon religion, although its in the same ballpark.
What a fucking mess. It makes Libertarians look like masters of logic.
At least Obama is directly pandering to US Jewry when he's doing this shit.
So literally, he's supporting a supernatural event that would destroy the Jewish state and replace it not with a Muslim one, but a Christian one. Mitt Romney, working for the destruction of the entire Jewish religion, via salvation, which in turn isn't even the chosen path of his own Mormon religion, although its in the same ballpark.
What a fucking mess. It makes Libertarians look like masters of logic.
At least Obama is directly pandering to US Jewry when he's doing this shit.
Four_Chamber
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I can't imagine there are a large amount of Jewish voters who will be swayed by these tactics. Of course, there are conservatives among the Jewish community but they were voting for Romney anyway.
I dunno, maybe its my NY upbringing but Israel did not play a huge role in the votes of my friends. This is especially true since Romney is trying to use the Jerusalem issue as a trump card- I don't know any Jewish folks who think that's a litmus test for support.
I think people forget that Rahm Emanuel was Obama's chief of staff. Clearly, Obama hates Jews. Guys like Rahm are much more in line with Jewish voters than guys like Cantor et al. I actually really miss Rahm on the campaign trail- I hope he provides some zingers for the press as he's real entertaining.
Hey, now, if we're going to call out Barack Hussein Obama for his middle name, we ought not to leave out Rahm Israel Emanuel.
speculawyer
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Magic. He is keeping it a secret.
http://news.yahoo.com/romney-wants-something-dramatic-aid-economy-130451788.html
Just trust him. It's not like he's every lied before, right?
speculawyer
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And of course it is all Obama's fault for allowing the Egyptian people to vote in the Muslim Brotherhood because you mixing religion and politics is bad. (Unless Christians are doing it.)
cartoon_soldier
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Related to the WI Shootings in the Sikh Temple, if this is related to religion and some dimwit fuck Republicans for stoking fear in people about Sharia law and infiltration of US government by Muslim Brotherhood and shit.
I really, really, really, really, really, really, really hope that is not the case and it is just some random, or two, nutjobs and not something politically or religiously motivated...
PhoenixDark
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Same.
Flying_Phoenix
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? Its nearly always the case. Its usually people with a few screws loose that read news similar to Fox and believe it and go on shooting sprees. Virtually everyone who did these shooting were Limbaugh and Fox News viewers.
In other words if it wasn't for the fear mongering these events wouldn't be anywhere near as likely to happen.
You're setting yourself up for disappointment.
Byakuya769
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What if Romney made Romney his VP? It would be like having a team of rivals.
Learn2read
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Nobody likes Mitt pt. 74674735636
cartoon_soldier
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Exactly my feelings. And he has a chance of being President, unbelievable.
This is what the Romney campaign is thinking:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...606c-dda1-11e1-8e43-4a3c4375504a_story_1.html
What might hurt Dems and Obama is the rate at which Obama campaign is burning through cash. And they are having difficulty raising cash at the same time. Dem donors have not responded, and that part sucks.
While, things look good for Obama right now. Nothing is set in stone, if October still shows Obama with such an EC lead, I will feel good.
I don't know about what he was saying, but there have been several past incidences of people targeting Sikh or their temples because they thought they were Muslim.I think that part at least is well established.
Beyond that motives are varied but the common strain on vandalism or violence against Sikh is that people mistake them for Muslims.
PhoenixDark
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I've been saying that for months. Romney got pummeled for two months and is still within 2-5 points in most polls. He's well positioned to blow the race open after the conventions/VP selection. I don't believe cash will be an issue for Obama though.
Voters don't like Romney personally, the Bain stuff has hurt him, etc...yet he's still performing well. Something is wrong.
Yeah I wasnt intending to concur with that part.
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I find it strange that anyone would end up hating Romney more than Eric Fucking Cantor. Romney's just a moderate trying to stay afloat in the riptides of batshit insane that is his party. Cantor actually believes the shit he says.
Hobbestetrician
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Forgive my ignorance but what about the convention or announcing a VP pick makes for a guaranteed jump in the polls? Is it just because of the resulting increased media exposure? Or is it because it cements the candidate as THE candidate even further? I guess I just don't understand why that stuff is worth a few points in the polls, especially if the VP candidate is someone bland (Portman, Pawlenty) that won't really move the needle and can be counteracted by the opposing party convention shortly after.
speculawyer
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CHEEZMO;40652791 said:
Yes, and there was some guy that shot up a Unitarian church a few years ago who had lots of Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. books. And there was that guy that the California Highway Patrol stopped who was going to attack the Tides Foundation because of crazy stuff from Glenn Beck. But it is certainly over-reach to call all of these attacks from right-wing nuts. Some are just nuts.
But that Report warning about right-wing extremism (that was bashed by Fox) was on target. There is a dangerous group of right-wing fringe-extremists in the country. Fortunately, there are government people watching. But the lone-gunman types are the ones really hard to stop.
PhoenixDark
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I respect honesty and passion more than someone who will say anything to get what he wants. Granted Cantor certainly does say some things he clearly doesn't believe, but his actual policy agenda is pretty clear. Romney has been on opposite sides of the spectrum for multiple major issues, to the point where it's logical to wonder whether he actually believes anything outside of giving corporations and the rich tax breaks. At one point or another he has disavowed Reagan, refused to sign the Contract For America, refused to label himself pro-life, signed gun control laws, raised taxes, supported some basic gay rights, etc.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I have a feeling the debates are going to go poorly for Romney. Going to be fun when he's actually going to have to explain how he plans on adding these jobs.
speculawyer
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Meh. People are not so bright. Hey look . . . shiny new thing with balloons and bunting. Wheeee! Two weeks later the bump is gone.
Oh well then, the lunacy has craziness to back it up!
I'm convinced he's just driven by his own ego. The guy just wants to be President, that's it. He'll obey the corporations and step on the middle to lower classes to do it -- which is why the uber-wealthy are throwing money at him.
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So why not just make ads that actually directly target those Christian fundamentalists? And for the bolded part, there are plenty of Jews who participate in fundraising for those fundamentalist organizations. They know what they believe in, so why do they support them?
PhoenixDark
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Romney is not a bad debater. I don't think anyone would deny that Newt Gingrich is a very effective debater, yet Romney managed to soundly defeat him when he needed to. Obviously Obama is a good debater as well, the problem will be that he has no economic record to run on - outside of "hey things could have been worse." Romney won't have trouble scoring points against that type of argument, especially if UE is still above 8% (guaranteed).
Romney will suffer on nearly every other issue during debates, but it's the economy that matters. And just as Obama effortlessly defeated McCain by tying him to Bush's economic record, Romney will do the same with Obama's economic record.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That's the thing, though--how does Romney convince people he can turn the economy around? No corporate tax? I can't imagine independent voters are stupid enough to believe that.
A week or so ago I looked at Nate Silver's forecast status and saw a notable tick of improvement for Obama, and wondered here whether it was a blip or a more sustained movement.
It appears to be the latter.
Obama got a bump in July that has remained, and it looks like Romney's position is deteriorating further over the past week against him. I'm expecting Romney to announced the veep pick the week or so after the Olympics are over, but it won't alter his fundamental position. Dude is in deep trouble.
It appears to be the latter.
Obama got a bump in July that has remained, and it looks like Romney's position is deteriorating further over the past week against him. I'm expecting Romney to announced the veep pick the week or so after the Olympics are over, but it won't alter his fundamental position. Dude is in deep trouble.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
WTF? You are most assuredly wrong about this. Back that shit up with facts and citations or retract it. Even if this does turn out to be a religious right paranoid watcher of Fox News, that would be one hell of an outlier.
Black Mamba
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Romney is so making the mistake of believing Jewish voters voting by 1 issue alone - Israel.
But Jewish voters tend to be too left wing in most issues to have Israel override that so long as Obama's stance on Israel is unchanged from past presidents, relatively.
The Jews see through it.
edit: And also, the only place this could work is Florida. Don't matter how many Jews he gets, won't be enough in NY or Cali to switch those states. Leaves only Florida. But old and retired Jews don't like Republicans because of privatizing social security stuff. Can't win this round, Mittens.
A week or so ago I looked at Nate Silver's forecast status and saw a notable tick of improvement for Obama, and wondered here whether it was a blip or a more sustained movement.
It appears to be the latter.
Obama got a bump in July that has remained, and it looks like Romney's position is deteriorating further over the past week against him. I'm expecting Romney to announced the veep pick the week or so after the Olympics are over, but it won't alter his fundamental position. Dude is in deep trouble.
How was Nate Silver's forecasting during the 2010 elections? I remember him being pretty damn accurate back in 2008.
These stats look pretty great. I wonder what it would take over the next few months for these numbers to flip?
Euro implosion.
Only Mitt has the keys to the White House roof where the Job Signal is.
Job Creators, Assemble!
cartoon_soldier
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A week or so ago I looked at Nate Silver's forecast status and saw a notable tick of improvement for Obama, and wondered here whether it was a blip or a more sustained movement.
It appears to be the latter.
Obama got a bump in July that has remained, and it looks like Romney's position is deteriorating further over the past week against him. I'm expecting Romney to announced the veep pick the week or so after the Olympics are over, but it won't alter his fundamental position. Dude is in deep trouble.
One thing to keep in mind though is that pollsters will at some point apply the LV model instead of RV, which Nate expects will help Republicans by 1-1.5%.
I also maintain that polls so far out in advance, might show us how the recent months have gone but are not a good outcome Predictor. After the conventions, real race starts.
Flying_Phoenix
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I would like an answer to this. Because if it isn't that would be insane.
Are you people really going to argue with me that most people who attack Muslims because they fear they will start taking over their country isn't going to lean far right wing?
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