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http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/06/usa-campaign-romney-money-idINL2E8J53PY20120806
Romney, Republican Party raise $101.3 million in July
Romney, Republican Party raise $101.3 million in July
Black Mamba
Member
tax evasion is the American Dream. It's in the Bible.
ax evasion seems pretty sensible tbh.
Black Mamba
Member
lol, i fixed that up.
http://news.yahoo.com/govt-probes-las-vegas-sands-corp-money-laundering-035448662--finance.html
Obama made a call.
dude straight up pledged loyalty to another country and is a virulent islamophobe. The mere fact that mitt would associate with him, never mind sit in the grizzly old shit's lap speaks volumes.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Turning Obama into an Other. They've been doing it for four years now
Only those who believe in the American Dream can truly understand.
p.s. what PD said
speculawyer
Member
What kind of fucking idiot would believe such tripe? I don't have to think Romney is some crazy white-horse conspiracy Mormon Manchurian candidate to not vote for him. I just hear him want to close planned parenthood, boot gays out of the military, raise taxes on the middle class, cut taxes on rich people, deny climate science, want to extend the war in Iraq, endorse a personhood amendment, and some other policy prescriptions and that makes me not want to vote for him. Why can't the other side just espouse all those views and leave it at that? No need for this false narrative paranoid conspiracy bullshit.
That seems to be the major problem with the GOP... they've spent 4 years doing the same shit they are doing for this election season. They have nothing new and spent the last 4 years loudly yelling from mountaintops the same shit and people just tune them out.
The Chosen One
Member
The strategy has worked great at preventing Obama from being a bi-partisan President who had appeal across the political aisles. We are even more polarized than we were 4 years ago if that's possible.
But the problem with the strategy is that it has been largely ineffective outside the GOP base. Even Independents who don't like Obama, the whole "Other" argument doesn't resonate with them. It just makes the GOP look conspiratory and out of touch with the real issues.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
This worries me tremendously. Romney is bringing in money at an amazing clip, without counting the super pacs. There is going to be a historic blitz post convention. Romney is eventually going to find a compelling economic narrative and all this money will drive it to the voters directly. If the economy doesn't pick up, I fear the worst.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I've said it before, and i'll say it again. If the race was closer I might be concerned, but it's not.
The Chosen One
Member
Considering barely anyone in the Republican party is excited about Romney, how on earth are they raising record setting fundraising numbers?
I'd like to see the breakdown of total donors for this quote:
But I guess numbers can be deceiving. For example, there could just be 10,000 total donors. 94% would be 9,400 donors. So if those 9,400 gave $250 or less, they would just account for ~ $2 Million or less of the total $100M. While the rest of the $98M would be divided up by 600 uber rich donors averaging ~$163K each.
So that napkin math basically illustrates Romney could have a meager amount of total donations with small donors accounting for the numerical majority while the vast majority of the funds actually come from the rich few.
Obama had a bigger grass roots support in '08 but I think he also relied on big donors in a similar way. And he's lagging behind this cycle precisely because many of the big donors have gone to Romney or they're sitting on their hands.
I'd like to see the breakdown of total donors for this quote:
But I guess numbers can be deceiving. For example, there could just be 10,000 total donors. 94% would be 9,400 donors. So if those 9,400 gave $250 or less, they would just account for ~ $2 Million or less of the total $100M. While the rest of the $98M would be divided up by 600 uber rich donors averaging ~$163K each.
So that napkin math basically illustrates Romney could have a meager amount of total donations with small donors accounting for the numerical majority while the vast majority of the funds actually come from the rich few.
Obama had a bigger grass roots support in '08 but I think he also relied on big donors in a similar way. And he's lagging behind this cycle precisely because many of the big donors have gone to Romney or they're sitting on their hands.
"The company believes it has acted properly and has not committed any wrongdoing," the paper quoted Reese as saying.
They really create their own set of morals don't they?
The dream is over, sorry Kosmo, I know you're watching...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Reince Priebus: Obama has a problem with the American dream.
It's probably cause he never achieved it.
Damn, who is this guy? He's apparently from my hometown.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I find it hilarious how similar this sounds to the Romney camp's explanation about his taxes.
cartoon_soldier
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Obama needs to post going fundraising numbers. Damn
Black Republican
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"The company believes it has acted properly and has not committed any wrongdoing," the paper quoted Reese as saying.
They really create their own set of morals don't they?
The dream is over, sorry Kosmo, I know you're watching...
if she wasnt "pro abortion" i think conservatives would really rally behind her, tis a shame
RNC Chair, I believe.
electricpirate
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Reince Priebus: Obama has a problem with the American dream.
It's probably cause he never achieved it.
I agree, things were much better when we had the top marginal tax rate over 60%.
Mercury Fred
Banned
She's a closet case and has the baggage of the Bush administration.
Republicans have a misunderstanding of the American public--not everyone wants to live in a mansion and have ungodly amounts of money, and we don't hate rich people (unless they're greedy obnoxious dicks like Adelson and the Koch Bros.).
The super-rich are among the most admired people in our society--but only when it comes to people like Bill Gates and Warren Bufffett who haven't sold their souls in the process of acquiring their wealth.
The super-rich are among the most admired people in our society--but only when it comes to people like Bill Gates and Warren Bufffett who haven't sold their souls in the process of acquiring their wealth.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Because every unmarried woman must be a lesbian
Mercury Fred
Banned
Right, because that's what I'm suggesting.
Ever since Buffett's tax comments last year he's been villified by conservatives as a greedy job killing hypocrite who should just write a check to the IRS if he wants to pay higher taxes. They don't realize that he doesn't pay lower taxes because he necessarily wants to, but because that's how the system is set up for the type of money he generates. He can't just claim his capital gains as salary. That would be fraudulent.
(also, Buffett doesn't even manage any of the companies he buys. He buys companies that operate well but are undervalued, and leaves them as is. After all, it makes no sense to buy a company if you don't like what they're doing, and if you like what they're doing, it makes no sense to change that after you buy them. He's as hands off as an investor can be, as it should be)
cartoon_soldier
Member
Obama camp raised 75 million again. So not only they are outgunned in the campaign but outside groups too.
"Closet case."
Reince Priebus: Obama has a problem with the American dream.
It's probably cause he never achieved it.
Anyone else find it slightly funny that he talks about his dad working for a UNION job, and then rails on the president for attacking wealth? What about all the republicans attacking those hard working union jobs like your dad had?
Hopefully it will pick up as we get closer to October. If his supporters see he might lose then there is no doubt they will contribute, but the way things are going right now Obama is the hands on favorite so they probably figure why should they waste their money.
Mercury Fred
Banned
I think you misunderstand. Of course Condi is a closeted lesbian. But PD extrapolates from that that I'm suggesting all unmarried women are lesbians. Not the case.
Vicetrailia
Member
That wouldn't fly with his base though, so it aint happenin'. It's just about winning.
PhoenixDark
Banned
You have no evidence outside of her being unmarried.
cartoon_soldier
Member
I don't have much hope that it will pick up at this point. June should have been the wake up call and it wasn't.
So Romney + RNC will have a massive Cash on hand advantage (50-60 million) and Obama will end up spending even more time attending fund raisers.
it matters little for Romney, if i were Obama and the DNC I would put a lot of focus on close house races and senate seats.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
Obviously cash is a big advantage, but I do think there's a ceiling to its effectiveness in a Presidential race. POTUS candidates are extremely high-profile and a lot of information comes from media coverage (for good or ill). As someone mentioned earlier it's more likely to significantly affect downticket races, where voters might know shit-all about one or both candidates besides what they hear in advertisements.
electricpirate
Member
Honestly, at current funding rates, I'm fine with all that money pouring into the presidential race from the right. Better in this race where it won't really matter, instead of flooding congressional races where it will have a large impact.
Every one of Obama's negatives have been beaten into every single voter's head for years. I don't know how much impact repeating the same stuff over and over will have. The primaries were different because not much was known to most people about the candidates. This money will have an impact down ticket, but for the Presidential race I don't see it changing much.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
I'm impressed by Reid. He's full on bull dog. And it's a win/win situation. Keep on throwing the punch since the only way that Romney can defend it is by releasing the tax returns which is the entire point of this onslaught.
"Important" - Obama for America TV Ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YhDQJU1NlE&feature=player_embedded
Really nice ad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YhDQJU1NlE&feature=player_embedded
Really nice ad.
"See?????! He's LYING! I paid a 4% tax rate!!!!"
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Exactly. No matter what Romney does he's going to come across badly to those not in the tea party/GOP.
Release the returns- lol wut, he paid THAT little? wow....
Don't release returns- Well, he's hiding something... I wonder if he didn't pay taxes...
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Romney's wordplay like "I paid taxes" and "everything I was legally required to do" should raise all of our hackles. Remember, it's really not relevant whether or not he's a tax-evading miser -- what's relevant is that as a billionaire, he's paying less taxes than you are, and it's perfectly legal. That's the big tell the GOP doesn't want you to find out. This is all legal and they plan on keeping it that way.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
It will wreck havoc on the House and Senate races unless the Dem is like John Tester.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
But one of these days I'll start up that small business I spend my time dreaming about, which will then grow and grow. One day I'll be a millionaire and when I am I dont want the government stealing all of my hard-earned money and giving it to "poor" people who are too lazy to make money.
speculawyer
Member
I've got mixed feelings about. He is basically just giving out hearsay. He's implying something with no hard evidence. And I don't believe the claim despite Harry saying it is a 'very credible source' since it would seem near impossible to not pay income tax for 10 years and you definitely wouldn't even try if you were thinking about running for president.
But Harry admits it is just hearsay. He says he doesn't know if it is true. It is all just meant to apply pressure for Romney to release his taxes. As long as a person really said that to Mitt Romney and Mitt Romney is a public figure, there is nothing illegal about such a statement. As they say, this ain't bean-bags. So the Romney team needs to just put on the big boy pants and deal with accusation.
as a note... in a post on 538 today Nate mentioned that over 80% of state polls have already been switched over to LV models, so you won't see a dramatic swing. The main polls not using LV right now are the national polls.
And Nate is concurring with relio from above that it appears the national polling means fuck all
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