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Oblivion

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speculawyer said:
Remember when the Tea party was supposedly about the deficit and being fiscally responsible?

And now it turns out it is about Christian-right nuts and people that will bloat the deficit with massive tax cuts for the rich. Basically, the Tea Party was just the GOP base.
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What? They're just an independent group of freedom loving Americans who just happen to despise Obama and the Democrats. That doesn't mean they're going to automatically be Republicans!
 
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Dram

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Jooney said:
Has Huckabee called for a 'Legitimate Rape' Appreciation day yet?

too soon?
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Funky Papa said:
Huckabee to Akin: 'Horrible' rapes created some extraordinary people

The former Arkansas governor and onetime GOP presidential contender suggested a couple of cases in which he suggested that rapes, though “horrible tragedies,” had produced admirable human beings.

“Ethel Waters, for example, was the result of a forcible rape,” Huckabee said of the late American gospel singer. One-time presidential candidate Huckabee added: “I used to work for James Robison back in the 1970s, he leads a large Christian organization. He, himself, was the result of a forcible rape. And so I know it happens, and yet even from those horrible, horrible tragedies of rape, which are inexcusable and indefensible, life has come and sometimes, you know, those people are able to do extraordinary things.”​
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sc0la

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AlteredBeast said:
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#5
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lol
Great album
 
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Dram

Member
Obama doesn't take SEAL group attacks 'seriously'

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/obama-doesnt-take-seal-group-attacks-seriously-132620.html

President Obama said Monday that he isn't too worried about two groups of military veterans running campaign ads against him.

“I don’t take these folks too seriously. One of their members is a birther who denies I was born here, despite evidence to the contrary," Obama told The Virginian-Pilot. "You’ve got another who was a tea party candidate in a recent election."

"This kind of stuff springs up before election time," Obama said.

The founder of one group, ex-Navy SEAL Larry Bailey, told Foreign Policy magazine last week: "I have to admit that I'm a birther."

The other group maintains that it is nonpartisan, but its founder Scott Taylor is a former GOP candidate for office.
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Aaron Strife

Banned
Another PPP tweet:

PPP said:
By a 53/36 margin Massachusetts voters want Democrats to have control of the Senate- very interesting tension there
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It'll be interesting if Warren can win simply based on Massachusetts wanting the Senate to stay blue, and this is part of why I think she will. I don't think that's anything anyone but diehard partisans tend to think about, but Lincoln Chafee was defeated in 2006 on a similar notion - he was still very popular in Rhode Island, but Democrats could only win the majority with his seat, so he lost.

If Brown is leading by like, 1 point it's not like that's any different from their last poll, which had them tied.
 
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cartoon_soldier

Member
Aaron Strife said:
Another PPP tweet:



It'll be interesting if Warren can win simply based on Massachusetts wanting the Senate to stay blue, and this is part of why I think she will. I don't think that's anything anyone but diehard partisans tend to think about, but Lincoln Chafee was defeated in 2006 on a similar notion - he was still very popular in Rhode Island, but Democrats could only win the majority with his seat, so he lost.

If Brown is leading by like, 1 point it's not like that's any different from their last poll, which had them tied.
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Yea, we need to see the polls here. PPP is saying its been a bad weekend for Dems apart from VA, so gotta see the numbers.
 
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Hobbestetrician

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Dram said:
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What the hell is the difference between 'rape' and 'forcible rape' Mr. Huckabee? Is non-forcible rape possible you piece of shit? And the 'some of the best people I know were children of rape' defense? What about the hundreds of thousands of other children of rape?

Sweet shit, what an asshole.
 
Dude Abides

Dude Abides

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Hobbestetrician said:
What the hell is the difference between 'rape' and 'forcible rape' Mr. Huckabee? Is non-forcible rape possible you piece of shit? And the 'some of the best people I know were children of rape' defense? What about the hundreds of thousands of other children of rape?

Sweet shit, what an asshole.
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Back in the day a woman had to put up a certain amount of physical resistance or it wasn't rape. Mike yearns for a return to the good ol days.
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Akin's newest defense brings in the old standby:

He later invoked 9/11 to explain his pro-life views, saying the first responders didn't ask for identification of those they saved because all lives are important.

"They don't check their ID to see whether they're important or not, they just take them to safety and run back for more," he said. "They, by their lives, speak as Americans of what we think about the value of human beings and how much respect we hold people with."
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A wise man once said that a true classic never goes out of style.
 
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Jooney

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It must drive GOP strategists crazy, striving to combat the narrative they their party is conducting a 'War on Women', and then have this clown opens his mouth.

EDIT: ^ and hiding behind the skirts of 9/11 to defend your crazy views on rape? SMH.
 
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speculawyer

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Paul Ryan said:
"I'm as pro-life as a person gets," Ryan, a Roman Catholic, told the conservative magazine the Weekly Standard in 2010.
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So that means he is just as pro-life or more than Akin.

Ryan's anti-abortion rights credentials -- unlike Romney's -- are indeed impeccable. The National Right to Life Committee, a nationwide federation opposed to abortion rights, has given Ryan a 100 percent "pro-life" voting record -- in other words, for every vote he's taken on abortion-related issues since joining the House of Representatives in 1999, Ryan has voted on the anti-abortion side.

His record includes voting to cut off federal funding for Planned Parenthood in 2011, and in 2006, voting against allowing servicewomen overseas to obtain an abortion in U.S. military medical facilities, except to save the life of the mother or in cases of rape or incest. Additionally in 2006, Ryan voted for a bill requiring women obtaining abortions to hear about the pain their unborn child may experience.

Ryan was one of several dozen Republicans to co-sponsor a particularly controversial bill last year that never made it to the House floor called the Sanctity of Human Life Act. The measure stated that the "life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent... at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood."
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162...ortion-rights-record-a-target-for-obama-camp/

What 'War on Women' the GOP asks. Derp.
 
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el retorno

Member
I just finished talking to my grandmother about Ryan's medicare plan.

Good thing: She doesn't like it

Bad thing: When I told her about my support of medicare for all and single payer she hated it saying government run health care sucks. When I told her medicare is socialized health care she refused to believe it. She started talking about how europeans and canadians all hate their healthcare. She didn't listen to my anecdotes about how after a year in spain I never heard a single complaint.

Even among liberals this fight is difficult.
Ugh...
 
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AstroNut325

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el retorno de los sapos said:
I just finished talking to my grandmother about Ryan's medicare plan.

Good thing: She doesn't like it

Bad thing: When I told her about my support of medicare for all and single payer she hated it saying government run health care sucks. When I told her medicare is socialized health care she refused to believe it. She started talking about how europeans and canadians all hate their healthcare. She didn't listen to my anecdotes about how after a year in spain I never heard a single complaint.

Even among liberals this fight is difficult.
Ugh...
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She's a Tea Partier:
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empty vessel

empty vessel

Member
speculawyer said:
Remember when the Tea party was supposedly about the deficit and being fiscally responsible?

And now it turns out it is about Christian-right nuts and people that will bloat the deficit with massive tax cuts for the rich. Basically, the Tea Party was just the GOP base.
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Bloating the deficit, schmloating the deficit. It's the tax cuts for the rich that should be assailed.
 
empty vessel

empty vessel

Member
el retorno de los sapos said:
I just finished talking to my grandmother about Ryan's medicare plan.

Good thing: She doesn't like it

Bad thing: When I told her about my support of medicare for all and single payer she hated it saying government run health care sucks. When I told her medicare is socialized health care she refused to believe it. She started talking about how europeans and canadians all hate their healthcare. She didn't listen to my anecdotes about how after a year in spain I never heard a single complaint.

Even among liberals this fight is difficult.
Ugh...
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Even otherwise very intelligent people will look at you with a blank face when you ask them a question as simple as where money comes from. Somehow, what our government does and how it does it has become very obfuscated. It's a problem.
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
el retorno de los sapos said:
I just finished talking to my grandmother about Ryan's medicare plan.

Good thing: She doesn't like it

Bad thing: When I told her about my support of medicare for all and single payer she hated it saying government run health care sucks. When I told her medicare is socialized health care she refused to believe it. She started talking about how europeans and canadians all hate their healthcare. She didn't listen to my anecdotes about how after a year in spain I never heard a single complaint.

Even among liberals this fight is difficult.
Ugh...
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As Bill Maher would say, where does she think medicare comes from, her secret Santa?
 
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codhand

Member
empty vessel said:
Even otherwise very intelligent people will look at you with a blank face when you ask them a question as simple as where money comes from. Somehow, what our government does and how it does it has become very obfuscated.
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I disagree it's obfuscated, it's taken for granted more like. People believe what they want, whatever fits their own ideology the easiest is often the go-to option. Republicans are successful with their propaganda in many areas, health care being the most obvious example, but I don't think government's role in society is hard to find, unless you don't want to.
 
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el retorno

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Jooney said:
Did you ask her where did she think medicare comes from?
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She's, I think, on Medicare advantage so I think she might actually have a private insurer. I'm not 100% sure. But she kept talking about how she paid into it and I have no right because I haven't paid in. I tried to tell her that thats not actually how it works and how her money is long gone and its now my money thats paying for her (that there is no "lockbox")

I think I might haved used "socialized medicine" which is what provoked the response. She thinks all single payer systems are like the UK and actually government run instead of social insurance programs with strong regulations.

empty vessel said:
Even otherwise very intelligent people will look at you with a blank face when you ask them a question as simple as where money comes from. Somehow, what our government does and how it does it has become very obfuscated. It's a problem.
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When I asked her about, not government healthcare, but medicare for all, she started the whole "where's the money going to come from", "all our debt", etc.

I responded with the fact that first of all the debt problems aren't pressing by any means (no negative side effects have shown themselves) and secondly they're be a tax increase with a corresponding lack of paying a private premium. She refused to believe it would be sufficient because costs keep rising (of course the government couldn't do anything about that)... I realized it was going nowhere.


The thing that pissed me off the most is that they are 100% positive the rest of the world hates their health care and they all wait 100 years for operations. They travel a lot too so they meet foreigners but those 2 Canadians who come to America to have one operation the others are all ignorant of our glory. Middle Class privilege blinds these people more than anything. They system has always worked for them, they've never had the fear I think our generation has about losing insurance.
 
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AndyD

aka andydumi
Hobbestetrician said:
What the hell is the difference between 'rape' and 'forcible rape' Mr. Huckabee? Is non-forcible rape possible you piece of shit?
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A piece I read earlier tried to separate statutory rape (consenting minors) and so forth. Its crap, but there's a defense for everything nowadays.
 
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PhoenixDark

Banned
el retorno de los sapos said:
I just finished talking to my grandmother about Ryan's medicare plan.

Good thing: She doesn't like it

Bad thing: When I told her about my support of medicare for all and single payer she hated it saying government run health care sucks. When I told her medicare is socialized health care she refused to believe it. She started talking about how europeans and canadians all hate their healthcare. She didn't listen to my anecdotes about how after a year in spain I never heard a single complaint.

Even among liberals this fight is difficult.
Ugh...
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So she's gonna write in Hillary Clinton?
 
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RDreamer

Member
el retorno de los sapos said:
I responded with the fact that first of all the debt problems aren't pressing by any means (no negative side effects have shown themselves) and secondly they're be a tax increase with a corresponding lack of paying a private premium. She refused to believe it would be sufficient because costs keep rising (of course the government couldn't do anything about that)... I realized it was going nowhere.


The thing that pissed me off the most is that they are 100% positive the rest of the world hates their health care and they all wait 100 years for operations. They travel a lot too so they meet foreigners but those 2 Canadians who come to America to have one operation the others are all ignorant of our glory. Middle Class privilege blinds these people more than anything. They system has always worked for them, they've never had the fear I think our generation has about losing insurance.
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You need to show her some of the studies that show those "socialized" systems pay literally half what we pay in this country per person on healthcare. Costs keep rising so damned much because of our system. And you could possibly show her some of the rankings from the World Health Organization and other organizations that put the USA in something like 30th place in healthcare.
 
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Chichikov

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el retorno de los sapos said:
I think I might haved used "socialized medicine" which is what provoked the response. She thinks all single payer systems are like the UK and actually government run instead of social insurance programs with strong regulations.
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Try to tell her that in a single payer system the government take over the insurance business, not the health providers.
Ask her if she think the free market provides a good health insurance solution.
 
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Aaron Strife

Banned
PPP snap poll - Akin still ahead by 1, 44-43. This is unchanged from their last poll which had him up 45-44.

I don't think much value comes out of doing a poll this soon, especially from a one-day sample.
 
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Measley

Junior Member
The hypocrisy of the tea party doesn't surprise me one bit. They were dead silent when Republicans blew a hole in the deficit, and they'll be silent when Romney blows a hole in the deficit. They don't care about any of that crap. They're really just upset that a black guy is in the White House. If they truly believed the crap they spew, they would abandon Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney as soon as they both admitted that they supported the stimulus or took money from it.

Not to mention that the Romney/Ryan plan increases the deficit for the next 10 years.

No, they're more concerned about getting the socialist out of the white house. You know, the same thing segregationists called Dr. King during the Civil Rights Movement.
 
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