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AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
bleehhhhh.
RNC or whatever will just put together one with democractic women saying the exact same thing.
Now you'll have some nice firewood for the holidays! That was very progressive of your folks.
They already did. Not democratic women, but democrats. It's been running for a long time here in Wisconsin. It's a bunch of people talking about how they voted for Obama, but he sucks and now they feel bad, etc.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
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We get that one too and I just have to roll my eyes. The assumption they are trying to pass off that he can just pass any law is absurd.
I just do not get the GOP messaging, they are all over the place
lol. No one seems to want to answer for that. Derp, pollsters!
How are you supposed to account for something that has no real statistical effect, you can't just assume a certain % will be disenfranchised
You can start asking voters in and outside of Philly and other Democratic strongholds in the state:
a. If they have proper ID;
b. If not, are they aware of, able to, and have planned on ensuring they will be able to vote by the 7th, and
c. Who they are supporting/would have supported if they could have voted as usual pre-ID law.
they could also just ask them a., tbh.
Ask a question about the forms of ID they have, based on what is required by the new law.
The paranoid far-right machine did lots of damage up to 2010 and even 2011, and scared the shit out of a lot of people. Now all that's left to do is appeal to those swing voters who are too lazy to make a decision until a few days before the election. Nothing left to capitalize on really.
Plenty of people here in western PA believe 110% that Obama isn't an American. The damage has already been done there, those people aren't going to change their minds.
speculawyer
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So Glenn Beck goes crazy with end of the world stuff . . . but it is Maddow that lies.
Go Figure.
This is why I hope Obama continues to maintain a lead in OH and VA, because if it's close in PA the voter ID law could really fuck things up. Our GOP state legislature is filled with a bunch of sissies (naturally), too, so if Obama squeaked in a win even, I wouldn't put it past them to contest his win there based on some bullshit in the law that doesn't make sense in reality.
I worry that other state GOP legislatures across the nation would attempt this kind of thing too.
I worry that other state GOP legislatures across the nation would attempt this kind of thing too.
I encourage Huckabee and his coterie of fundamentalist activists to buck the GOP establishment. The exceptions favored by more "moderate" conservatives are an insidious attempt to abridge reproductive rights. It's an argument I'm willing to engage.
Right. I'm having difficulty envisaging a Democratic voter splitting for Akin. Obviously, there will be a nominal few. But the problem is apparent for Republicans.
Mildly funny. A demerit's warranted though for his misuse of corporatism.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Ha. If Obama wins a 2004 squeaker best believe republicans will attempt to re-litigate it and hurl charges of voter fraud for years.
If Obama can secure Ohio and Virginia he's pretty much golden. I'm curious to see some more NC polls, especially a few weeks after the DNC
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
nah, it's not that simple. I'm sure someone will do a proper study on disenfranchised voters in PA, but it takes time and money. I read a study that was done in Indiana, I believe, and
even then it was a challenge identifying the appropriate population and sample size. The list of exemptions and caveats at the end of the study was insane. Enough that opponents of that type of study can just pretend its too flawed to be valid.
adamsappel
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I wonder if Voter ID will be one of those things that comes back to bite Republicans in the ass. "Hey, remember when they passed those laws that created a database that made it easier to implement Internet voting and now young people actually vote and old people's fears and selfishness became irrelevant? Good times."
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
PD, what you're observing isn't some new acceptance of an otherwise rejected pollster, it's the "holy shit, Romney's in trouble if even Ras. has him in trouble." It's like when someone who unreasonably thinks Romney is going to beat Obama for three years suddenly starts having doubts. Maybe it's a signal that, even though all the other trolling they do should still be disregarded, something is definitely not working.
TacticalFox88
Banned
That'd be glorious.
speculawyer
Member
It is possible. I think they are already regretting making gay marriage one of their big issues. That is starting to backfire on them and will get worse over time.
Could you imagine if internet and text message voting were implemented for elections? On one hand yeah the youth would actually vote, but on the other I feel as a whole we'd be even more susceptible to awful marketing techniques. It would be interesting to see what would happen to the political climate.
PhoenixDark
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It's certainly going to cause fewer older people to vote; a bunch of PA senior citizens won't be eligible to vote this year due to the law.
It'll be easier to get young people and minorities up to speed on the changes than old people imo. the question is whether the hassle will convince them not to bother
airmangataosenai
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"Love him hate him. You still don't KNOW him."
Bwahaha, and I'm sure this movie will clear that up for me too. I still can't fathom that they're still trying to paint him as foreign and unknown in 2012.
RustyNails
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Has any other country implemented a good online Presidential/Party voting election?
The Chosen One
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Btw, Obama making a joke about the dog on roof isn't equivalent to Mitt's birther comment since it doesn't pander to bigots. The equivalent would be something like this:
Obama: "I just love being in the great state of North Carolina with my family. And of course no one here has had to question whether I just have ONE wife."
Obama: "I just love being in the great state of North Carolina with my family. And of course no one here has had to question whether I just have ONE wife."
I would be scared to implement an online voting system lest we let 4chan elect Ron Paul (or write in Moot).
speculawyer
Member
Of course he has more than one wife . . . he's Muslim.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Unless that system has firewalls that would take the Borg to break through them, I would never EVER trust the validity of an online voting system.
MightyKAC
Member
It's funny, I was born and raised in Milwaukee Wisconsin as well. It's so sad to see Wisconsin as a whole being as divided as it is .There's such a depth of diversity in there and yet still it seems like we do everything we can keep ourselves separated from each other. It's sort of a microcosm of what the problem with the US. So many people, so many different backgrounds and so many different ideas with so little will it seems to come together and do what it is that made America great in the first place.
After 24 years of that I said fuck it, joined the Navy ended up in Japan.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Everyone knows Michelle Obama is just a composite of multiple wives.
Estonia implemented the first attempt at internet voting in its 2007 parliamentary elections. Understandably, they encountered complications. But it was largely devoid of fraud. Although, the practice did not engender greater participation on the whole nor from marginalized groups. But it would be premature to infer it's failure given the infancy of the program. It's not unusual for a new program to produce aberrant results upon its inception. Norway also experimented with internet voting in its 2011 municipal elections. Again, they encountered technical difficulties. But they did not compromise the integrity of the ballots. And the DoD evaluated internet voting for servicemembers. The SERVE was analyzed by the Federal Voting Assistance Program, but it proved unfeasible.
Internet voting possesses potential, but it's not been sufficiently tested to implement on a broad scale.
Permit them to re-litigate and grouse. The mellifluous furor over Obama's second term will stay me.
Welp, seems like the only honorable thing to do is to cut off all ties with your dad (and possibly mom) permanently.
It's not as hard as it seems. Heck, I did it!
Black Mamba
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...ion-events-postponed-due-storm-225532084.html
Where's Pat Robertson when you need him?
Hey, we're almost exactly in the same boat (though I'm gonna be 28 in October). But the point wasn't to gloat about how much smarter we dirty commies are, it's that the guy was reasonable enough that he was open about not knowing how a prog. income tax worked without snidely making any references to the Communist Manifesto.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Why don't they just have Rick Perry pray away the rain?
PhoenixDark
Banned
So this means Huckabee's speech will be aired mwuahahahaha. Assuming the RNC doesn't hide it
jamesinclair
Banned
We need to abolish the government waste that is the NOAA, the office of the governor and "local emergency management officials"
We pour millions into this ridiculous government bureaucracy and look what happens, the convention gets postponed!
What a waste.
Slash government to the core, we don't need it.
Everyone should hate Ed Schultz. He is, unquestionably, the worst political pundit on cable television in America. Worse than the entirety of Fox News. He makes even the worst Fox person look non-biased and totally professional.
If there is one thing the left and right should agree on, it should be getting Ed Schultz off of any media he gets his face on.
If there is one thing the left and right should agree on, it should be getting Ed Schultz off of any media he gets his face on.
I don't watch MSNBC -- got a recent clip to bring your point home?
I've watched his show before and I don't see how you came to this conclusion. Care to elaborate?
Nah, outside of politics they're wonderful, caring people. My wife and I owe a ton to them for the help they've given us over the years, even when they disagreed with what we were doing. They didn't really want me to move in with my wife before we were married, but they were there on day one helping us move in and helping us plan everything. They've let us borrow their cars and helped with fixing them quite a bit, too. Pretty much anything we could ask for or need they'd do for us. Right now I'm borrowing their other truck until February so I can get to my internship, since we only own one car.
"Clearly this is God's punishment for the Republicans not doing enough to stop Obama's radical spending binge."
speculawyer
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I don't hate Ed Schultz. I just think he's a doofus. Not much reason to hate him . . . he means well. And I appreciate that he clicks with some of the gun-toting mid-west people. But he is not the sharpest pundit out there.
I was (slightly) joking about that.
Though it is true that I cut off all ties with my dad, but that had nothing to do with politics.
I'm no fan of Ed, as I've said many times, but how did you arrive at this conclusion?
PhoenixDark
Banned
Schultz is a piece of shit, and he's very stupid. Worse yet, he's not good or effective at what he does. Say what you will about O'Reilly/Hannity/etc, they're great at what they do.
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