speculawyer
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Reagan pretty much closed down the anti-trust division. Nothing gets broken up any more. However, they do periodically refuse to allow some mergers/acquisitions.
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speculawyer
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And who do they think they are fooling? Clearly not black people when you look at the polls. Such claims to the GOP of the 1800s seem to backfire, IMHO. They come of as liars/deceivers. Either that or stupid.
Does that make FDR a conservative?
Ignatz Mouse
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They don't, they're just playing "we win" word games.
It happened in the 60s, btw, and only on certain things. Perhaps a minor point, but I was born in 66 and my earliest memories of the GOP aren't fundamentally different from the GOP now. More extreme, but same leanings.
Link
The Autumn Wind
Because obviously, all black people should vote Republican, since look at all they did for them.
Aaron Strife
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Yeah, unlike prominent Democrats such as James Thurmond who filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1965, and certainly did not switch to the Republican Party out of protest after it passed and definitely did not use a different first name for his entire political career, which we're not using in this instance because you'll immediately identify him as a Republican if we did.
This is one of the primary examples of why it's hard to trust Republicans on anything. Saying that Black people should vote Republican because the Republican Party in LIncoln's day helped end slavery, is such a simplistic and asinine way of looking at history that anyone who spews it either doesn't know shit about history or is a grifter.
Also it's funny that these same people also try and bend over backwards to take credit for passing the VRA, but really hate everything about it. Not to mention you have all those Confederate flag waving, States' Rights loving, deep red areas in the South that no doubt absolutely adore President Lincoln.
PhoenixDark
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I'm not sure I've ever heard a republican respond to the basic, historical fact about both parties virtually switching roles after the CRA passed. Obviously plenty of southern racists remained in the democrat party, but by 1972 it was pretty clear who was fostering anti-black sentiments and who wasn't. Hell, even in 1968 democrats nominated a relatively progressive Hurbert Humphrey, who was an early advocate for civil rights. The south went to George Wallace, who had left the democrat party due to civil rights issues. And then in 1972 Nixon won all the states Wallace had won four years ago, plus the rest of the south.
Ignatz Mouse
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They didn't switch roles on everything, just civil rights. And even there, things are not a simple switch-- the Dixiecrats were the conservative bloc of the Democratic party, but the Northern Progressives didn't really switch in any way. What basically happened is that the Dixiecrats were a swing vote of sorts, and swapped allegiances to the GOP, which reallyt fit the rest of their politics anyway.
speculawyer
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So McCain wants to fund the heavily-Islamic Syrian rebels.
And now after the Muslim Brotherhood is deposed . . .
McCain: Suspend US Aid to Egypt
Wait a minute . . . it turns out that John McCain was the secret Muslim the whole time!!
And now after the Muslim Brotherhood is deposed . . .
McCain: Suspend US Aid to Egypt
Wait a minute . . . it turns out that John McCain was the secret Muslim the whole time!!
So McCain wants to fund the heavily-Islamic Syrian rebels.
And now after the Muslim Brotherhood is deposed . . .
McCain: Suspend US Aid to Egypt
Wait a minute . . . it turns out that John McCain was the secret Muslim the whole time!!
Wow, he is still salty over that loss isn't he? McCain is saltier than the dead sea at this point.
platypotamus
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They do it to fool themselves. It's like "I'm not racist, I have a black friend", but to the chronological extreme.
JesseEwiak
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There's a Sean Trende article trying to explain that it's been happening since the 20's (yes, really) - (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...shift_to_the_gop_predates_the_60s_118172.html) - and that the real shift happened during the Eisenhower and JFK elections, of course, shoving off the fact that Eisenhower could've beat Jesus in an election in the early 50's and JFK was a dirty Papist back when a decent amount of Southerners still thought Catholics were going to hell.
Precisely. Someone has to scrub the toilets. It would be nice for those people to not get curb-stomped by the world, but the toilets will always be there.
RustyNails
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The Party switch during the 60s is an inconvenient truth for the GOP. So why mention it?
jamesinclair
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Is there a rick perry thread? Where is the discussion?
What did he do this time?
Avon Barksdale
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Rick Perry won't seek re-election in 2014.
He probably realized that if he ran it would give the Dems a legit shot at taking his spot. The "Rick Perry is an idiot" commercials make themselves.
Plus I thought he had announced this already.
jamesinclair
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Yay
Eh, the Dems never had a legit shot at taking the seat from Perry. He just wants to run for President again and wanted a few years buffer to get away from some unsavory votes(a la abortion).
Is he deluded enough to think he even has a chance of winning?
They were never really going to beat him, but there was an outside chance of it happening. Everything would have had to come together perfectly. Now they've got no chance in hell of taking it.
Oh yes. Yes he is.
platypotamus
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There's 3 reasons he thinks he has a legit shot of winning. The last republican president was a governor of Texas, Mitt Romney lost because he wasn't conservative enough, and uhhhh... I forget the third one
Black Mamba
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it involved a mouse and a wheel.
Shadow Hog
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Oops.
Brilliant post
Amazing.
Black Mamba
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I forgot about that reference. Now I get it!
platypotamus
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And here I was, worrying that reference was worn out and I was the only one that found it hilarious anymore
The Librarian
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Yeah. PoliGAF seems to like the binder joke a lot more. >.<
PhoenixDark
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So let's see...that means Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, and Ted Cruz will be running for president, each pulling the process to the far right (as Bachman/Santorum/Gingrich/etc did in 2012). So Christie and Rubio will end up having to run further right than expected.
Maybe Rand Paul can win enough of both sides, plus his father's supporters, to win.
Maybe Rand Paul can win enough of both sides, plus his father's supporters, to win.
I was reading a post on how Jindal's popularity is dropping like a rock in Louisiana. I'm astounded at how that's even possible. Jindal has proven himself to be a mouthbreather par excellance, and has suggested some of the most orgasm inducing conservative legislation in the country. And it's not like he lives in some pansy blue state either. This is fricken Louisiana, a state so right-wing that even their NAACP offices have a confederate flag hanging out front.
Avon Barksdale
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All six of them.
Dominican Power
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Being Indian has nothing to do with it?
PhoenixDark
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come on...
He was elected and re-elected rather easily and was one of the most popular governors in the country at one point (hence the SOTU reaction gig). It's been downhill since then because he's a bad governor, and his state sucks.
JesseEwiak
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Nah, right-wingers have gone from hating minorities to just hating "those" minorities. Ya' know, the lazy good for nothin' ones who steal welfare and have eight kids. Ole' Bobby's a good one.
He was stupid enough to go after higher education funding, health care funding, and try to convert the income tax over to a sales tax. He forgot Louisiana may be a conservative state, but it's still a populist state at the same time.
Avon Barksdale
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Remember when Jindal was going to be the Republican's answer to Obama?
aka non-Republican minorities.
PhoenixDark
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It's a lot easier to use is all. The counting one is better.
That made my week when it happened.
PhoenixDark
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Stephanie Cutter, with the obvious retort to the "haha she's old" strategy
Really demonstrates who pedestrian a lot of GOP operatives are when they can't rely on wedge issues or dog whistles. Get ready for a whole lotta sexist shit, and blame-the-victim "she's playing the gender card" nonsense.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/hillary-clinton-2016-93801.html
Really demonstrates who pedestrian a lot of GOP operatives are when they can't rely on wedge issues or dog whistles. Get ready for a whole lotta sexist shit, and blame-the-victim "she's playing the gender card" nonsense.
The Technomancer
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Honestly the fact that she's an older woman might work in favor of her image if they spin it right. You can make the "mature" thing work
NYCmetsfan
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I think it will work.
It didn't work in 2008 because people didn't want a mature, know the beltway type candidate. They wanted someone fresh.
After 8 years everybody seems to want to turn back to the 90s, who better to represent that?
JesseEwiak
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I think the GOP is seriously underestimating the number of moderate to center-right politically unaware women who will vote for a serious female candidate for President, no matter the party. (No, Palin didn't count.) Plus, a 40-year-old soccer mom was going through college when the Clinton boom happen, so extra fuzzy happy thoughts there.
Clinton isn't the best campaigner, but I will love if the GOP really goes after her age or gender, because it'll get ugly for 'em quick.
Clinton isn't the best campaigner, but I will love if the GOP really goes after her age or gender, because it'll get ugly for 'em quick.
Idk, i think the more far right characters in the race gives the christies and rubios a stronger shot at not only of winning the nomination, but also looking decidely uncrazy for general election folks. As its shaping up, the far right bircher group will splinter the vote allowing a 'moderate' to sneak on through. If thats the case, and the far right toons dont coalesce around a white knight soon enough, neither christie nor rubio will have to modify their views to appeal to the base knowing their votes will be delivered elsewhere.
Black Mamba
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the GOP underestimating the electorate? wut?
Hilary no, but Bill is, and so is Obama who has a big favor to return after 2012. She will also destroy any of the GOP hopefuls in a debate.
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