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Yeah, ok i get it now, hey you guys are right im a jackass. Bye.
neurosisxeno
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Did you have any doubt this was going to happen? Trump doesn't even know what the fuck he's supposed to be doing. The hypocrisy and bullshit are literally pouring through every crack. He ran an entire campaign encouraging chants of "LOCK HER UP!" when no laws were broken, but he's consider a guy who did the exact same fucking thing--worse actually, he knowingly leaked state secrets to a reporter he was banging--and plead guilty to it, for his cabinet. He. doesn't. care.
Now people are shocked that he's picking a bunch of rich asshole billionaires? I saw this crap coming once he started the whole "drain the swamp" rhetoric. There's no way this guy doesn't cozy up to the uber wealthy with his power to try and further his own interests. Funny that all those people who were so convinced Trump would be an outsider or rejuvenate Washington are silent now as he picks the damn head of the RNC for chief of staff and a bunch of gay bashers, white supremacists, and billionaires who donated a ton of money to his campaign for the rest of the positions.
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thepotatoman
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In 2010, liberals were absolutely destroyed by misinformation about the ACA, in a very similar way they were destroyed in 2016 by misinformation about Clinton and her emails.
I wonder if democrats do need to put a more unified front against these things. When Obama defends Comey and democrats run away from the ACA, it does a lot to legitimize those fake assertions.
I wonder if democrats do need to put a more unified front against these things. When Obama defends Comey and democrats run away from the ACA, it does a lot to legitimize those fake assertions.
Pre-empt them, probably.
No I expected this. So many blue collar people voted for this fucking guy because he promised them jobs. They got played (like they knew they would be) but I bet you they'll still vote GOP in '18 and '20.
I just don't understand how these aren't seeing what this guy is doing? Is it a cognitive dissonance? Do they not have access to any media, not even a newspaper?
Wait, so just so I'm following...
You're not saying that Pelosi is bad at her job.
You're not saying Ryan should have gotten the job.
But you're upset at the outcome, because...?
Establishment?
neurosisxeno
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They're still trying to assert the moral highground. But that doesn't work. You need to hit back and stand your ground. The strategy of running away from Obama in 2012 and 2014 was the most cowardly thing I've ever seen. Alison Grimes refusing to answer whether or not she voted for Obama was probably rock bottom, at least until 2016 when the Democrats just rolled over and let Trump and Comey do and say whatever they wanted. Obama had no justification for defending Comey, when the man was clearly not being neutral.
It's impossible to tell these people it is as bad as it looks. They're still in the honeymoon period and insisting we should all "give him a chance". The problem is, he's had 40 years in the spotlight, and thousands of chances, and he continually is a piece of shit. He's interviewing his cabinet selections at Trump Tower, and allowing (if not encouraging) the media to be there. He's turning the Presidency into a god damn reality show....
balladofwindfishes
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Blind hope towards trying anything that might get them their old jobs back.
shinra-bansho
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You can talk about tactics that would win eschewing the high road - whatever that may be - and yet the moment you do, you'll have people complaining about it and refusing to vote because both sides.
GOP voters don't give a crap about Koch money. But idealistic teens would sure kick up a fuss about Soros money.
GOP voters don't give a crap about Koch money. But idealistic teens would sure kick up a fuss about Soros money.
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thepotatoman
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"Both sides" people will always say "both sides" about everything. If South Park did the same douchbag vs turd sandwich thing with trump as one of the candidates they're going to do it with all of them.
Carpe Libertatem
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Not just the past few decades. Every midterm punished the presidential party in U.S. history, except for three - 2002 (because of 9/11), 1998 (backlash against Republicans for impeachment), and 1934.
2018 is actually a good scenario to have so many dangerous Senate seats up, IMO.
Frank the Great
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Well, one thing's for sure. 2018 would have been an absolute bloodbath for Dems if Hillary were president, given the seats up for grabs and historical trends.
The question is what will be the effects of extreme polarization on midterms?
McArdle was arguing over the summer that winning the presidency might be a Pyrrhic victory given that a recession is about due and the historical backlash trends. She had a point.
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thepotatoman
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If Obama got to appoint replacements for RBG and Scalia, definitely.
I'm confident they would have kept blocking under Hillary. I hope Obama goes for the hail mary, just to at least make them look bad.
excelsiorlef
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The animus against Pelsoi is so strange given that the guy running against her thiugh social issues and identity politics were a distraction and admitted he had no plans for 2018 but that he should be picked because it's time to change the coach....
Oh wait he's literally a personification of the idoicy I've seen come out of this election, guess it's not that strange.
https://newrepublic.com/article/139012/tim-ryans-rust-belt-reboot
He literally admits in this interview to not having a plan for 2018 but I guess fuck Pelosi or something?
Oh wait he's literally a personification of the idoicy I've seen come out of this election, guess it's not that strange.
https://newrepublic.com/article/139012/tim-ryans-rust-belt-reboot
He literally admits in this interview to not having a plan for 2018 but I guess fuck Pelosi or something?
metalslimer
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A bunch of 4-4 decisions would still be better overall than 5-4 the other way. Of course if the Hilary losing in 2020 would have put things in serious jeopardy if she couldn't get 1 appointment through.
Elaugaufein
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If Hillary couldn't get 1 appointment through in 4 years, losing in 2020 would be relatively small beans. It'd mean the only way things get done would be to hold either both houses , the White House and the Court or a Supermajority in both houses and the Court.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I suspect a lot of Trump supporters are still running on the high of having gotten their way. Who knows if and when any significant number of them will begin complaining Trump turned out to be a big fat nothing-pot roast.
Dominican Power
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Valdfellgar
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It's stuff like that that makes be pretty sure what will save Democrats in 2020 is depressed trump supporters giving up after he lets them down. I have a feeling this was their last hurrah and they just won't turn out again. Not that anyone should rely on that.
Particle Physicist
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The problem is the media. Republicans have Fox News which is the most popular news station in the US and essentially dictates media story trends which the other stations follow.
Sorry, but I have zero sympathy for people who get played by an incredibly obvious con man.
I don't even get the person shocked that Trump denies global warming. He's been rallying against climate change since day one. Where the heck have you been all this time?
BreezyLimbo
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I want them to mass protest. Let them grab their guns, and Dems find their balls and join this protest hand in hand, and just mass protest the inauguration. Trump was never going to drain the swamp.
It'll never happen, but this whole trump being president is just a disaster
Ether_Snake
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I think the anger at his picks from his supporters is overblown. He could pick a donkey and they would be fine with it. Most have no idea who Soros is.
The ones that know will have their anger reverberate through those that are clueless though, at least you'd think so with how lots of his supporters are pretty keyed into social media.
Aaron Strife
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I'm inclined to believe this. Look at TPP. Do you think even half of the people complaining about it could tell you anything about it?
shinra-bansho
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Lol. Okay. All I can do is laugh at this.
AntraxSuicide
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Nah, most Republicans (in their base, not the politicians themselves probably) think we literally kill babies on the daily. That's a pretty serious reason to be bummed out if you think we're actually killing babies!
The Senate was also close, and the House was never going to happen anyway. Like, the best case scenario in this election was a Hillary win and a very miniscule Senate majority that would likely get destroyed in 2 years as a check on her.
This is very serious, but acting like we just got Mondale'd is excessive, and is fueling these "burn it all down" sentiments. We need calm rational organization since 2018 is so close and insanely important.
Not necessarily. There's a decent number of these people that probably voted for HW Bush, then Bill, then Dubya, then Obama, and now Trump. They're contrarians who lash out at the President because they still don't have their grandpappy's jobs at the wages they want with a ton of benefits and less taxes. Trump will fail in this regard too (because those jobs are already extinct and never coming back), and they'll switch again.
Until they die, they'll keep voting like this.
Yeah, it's a filter. Same reason I still hear from people that the Xbox One S is the model that lets you play used games again even though such a policy was never released, and hasn't been a thing in 3 years. They heard it once from someone online 3 years ago and never read a thing about it since then.
A lot of the country does this. They get their news fix like 3 times a year, and then that becomes The Truth for a few months until the next dose hits them. Only major shit like a war or the Recession gets people involved in the news for more than a cursory glance at MSN headlines or some passive Fox News.
shinra-bansho
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Random thought: Democratic GOTV operations that occurred, did they backfire?
I assume affiliated unions got people to the polls, or that part of the effort was on suburbanites who they thought would cross over. Except these people probably broke for Trump.
I assume affiliated unions got people to the polls, or that part of the effort was on suburbanites who they thought would cross over. Except these people probably broke for Trump.
Aaron Strife
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I can only imagine a decent chunk of millennials who voted for Trump were just convinced beyond doubt that Hillary was this evil devil woman and assumed Trump couldn't possibly be as outrageous as he campaigned. So sad.
Lol. Okay. All I can do is laugh at this.
Officerrob
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Lol. Okay. All I can do is laugh at this.
Not enough facepalms in the world for that idiot.
Carpe Libertatem
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I doubt it. Unless the people they were talking to lied en masse, they helped get Democrats out to the polls because they had talked to those people and figured out who they would be voting for.
Although as someone who made a lot of phone calls and knocked on a lot of doors, there were in hindsight too many Republicans I talked to. Obviously once it became clear who they were supporting I stopped talking, but I shouldn't have been talking to them at that point (~1-2 weeks before election day). But that was for a Gubernatorial race, not the presidential one.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I forgot that shit was today.
"Is that... Is that Chris Christie's music???"
He's considering Linda McMahon for a position, why not give the SoS entrance music?! Trump has the Air Force One theme, Chris Christie's would be Curb Your Enthusiasm's theme, and Giuliani is a song played backwards with hidden devil language.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
You mean a recess appointment? There's no way he'll be able to do this without Republican cooperation (whether intentional or through incompetence). They control the timing of the Senate's recesses.
Aaron Strife
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You would know better than me, is there not a period before the next Congress is sworn in where the Senate must take a recess?
I honestly don't see any political downside to him rushing Garland through if he can. It's not like Democrats have anything to lose.
Constitutionally no, a previous Congress ends at noon jan 3 and the next one legally begins at noon jan 3rd, with no gap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Aaron Strife
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Beer Monkey
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They would have to let the recess last long enough, and knowing the situation, they would have to do it intentionally.
If it happens it will be as a rebuke masquerading as a mistake.
Yes, but in this situation, they know they can do token sessions just to prevent recess appointment.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
I don't think the Senate has to take any real recess between sessions, but some might argue that there must be some recess between them. For instance, Teddy Roosevelt made some recess appointments in 1903 during what he called a "constructive recess" of "an infinitesimal fraction of a second" between a special session and a regular session of the Senate. However, under Noel Canning (PDF) (a case decided in 2014), "the phrase 'the recess' applies to both intra-session and inter-session recesses. If a Senate recess is so short that it does not require the consent of the House [i.e., three days or less], it is too short to trigger the Recess Appointments Clause. . . . And a recess lasting less than 10 days is presumptively too short as well." I've seen the argument that this three-day/10-day rule really only applies to intra-session recesses, but that's a really weak argument given the Court's language. So unless the Senate goes into recess for at least 10 days between now and when Trump is inaugurated, I don't think President Obama will have the chance to make a recess appointment.
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That's not how GoTV works. You don't just knock on random doors or even do it by demographic guesswork. In the months before the election, you'll have had Democratic canvassers go round and ask people their voting intentions. If they say Democrat, their address will ticked off, and come election, people will go specifically to that address to remind them. So the only way your GoTV efforts would pick up Republicans is if people lied or changed their mind (unlikely, Clinton's election performance was relatively consistent with her polling performance; it's Trump that we can't explain so well).
Curious how many people here have done party work before?
davepoobond
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