nature boy
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This is not amusing, losing faith in humanity.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT16| Unpresidented
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SporeCrawler
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So what are the chances that trump will dismantle the first amendment or abolish it all together? I hear that he doesnt like critique and thats basically whats holding him off from issueing edicts that will allow journalists to be dealt as terrorists
Cesare Borgia
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Who did that wake up and make pay attention? Surely not a majority of Americans.I don't think Obama is achieving what he thinks he is by rolling over for Trump with this "smooth" transition. The right doesn't respect it, and neither does the left.
And I don't care about his favorability. This election has been a referendum on the data and how we traditionally interpret it. I've never seen so much apathy toward Obama as I have in the last few months. People think he's a good person, but a terrible leader. And I'm starting to agree.
People forget (thanks to the Rachel Maddow show for pointing it out last night) that the most inspirational thing Democrats did this year was not nominating Hillary Clinton. It wasn't Obama's "steadiness" or duty to his office. It wasn't the Democrats' foolhardy respect for the "norms" of government, their penchant for turning the other cheek to receive another beating.
No, the most inspirational thing Democrats did, the thing that really woke people up and got people paying attention, was this:
The sooner people accept that Donald Trump won the presidential election and will be president, the sooner we can plan on what to do about it. Complaining that Obama hasn't openly challenged the president-elect and made the transition rocky just doesn't make sense to me. Obama spent years attacking W Bush on multiple levels. President Bush still made it a top priority to ensure a smooth transition because it was what was best for the country. Smooth transitions of power are essential to this democracy.
Would I like to stop hearing Obama say the office of president will humble Trump/perhaps make him better? Hell yes. But outside of that I have no complaints. There hasn't been much drama outside of the Israel fuckery, which Trump seemingly started by meddling with Egypt.
Every time People ask what should Obama have done the response boils down to some sentimental stuff. Obama has shown us for ten years that he's not really interested in that shit. I seem to remember a lot of liberals enjoying that. But now that we lost everyone wants him to...do what exactly. This is what the American people chose. This is what a majority of white women voted for. This is what a sizable chunk of "Obama coalition" voters sat at home on Election Day for. Perhaps we should work on figuring that out and fixing it. With a decent candidate next time, and a better party.
(This is one of the few times we've disagreed. Ultimately we agree on the future direction that needs to be taken, I just think the past is the past at this point in terms of the election results.)
I honestly don't know enough about the Israel situation to warrant a comment on the... Threat? Against.... NZ from... Netanyahu...?
All those things put together make a confusing sentence really. Not exactly a graceful touch with diplomacy there, Bibi. Reading back on what past PMs have gotten on outgoing heads of state I guess it really isn't his thing /shrug.
All those things put together make a confusing sentence really. Not exactly a graceful touch with diplomacy there, Bibi. Reading back on what past PMs have gotten on outgoing heads of state I guess it really isn't his thing /shrug.
Kai Dracon
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I see what you're getting at, but people are going to be mad when they're slandered or labeled. Black people should damn well be mad, for instance, at racists calling them thugs.
The problem with "white people" as a group is the ingrained aversion to recognizing white privilege and institutional racism. So yes, they got mad at that stuff being called what it is with plain speaking.
Perhaps a better way to put it would be: who gets mad when they're asked whether they're part of the problem or the solution, if they're not a part of the problem?
Essentially, white people (collectively) have been told what the problem is, and have gotten extremely mad at reflecting on whether (individually) they are part of the problem or the solution. Which says a whole lot about what many white people know about themselves but won't admit.
Plinko
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Your first sentence is right on the money. Your second sentence is way off the mark.
You really think people don't get mad at false accusations and insults?
Yet he said more about Carl Paladino than Obama has. If he ever had an opening to shit on someone for disrespecting his wife, this was the time.
No, not really. Annoyed sure, and maybe constant repeated accusations eventually get to them, but in my experience you only get a knee jerk angry response when there's at least a hint of truth to the accusation. When I get a called a terrorist because I have brown skin and a beard, it makes me laugh. When I got called chubby, it pissed me off, because it was true. The election of Trump was one giant knee jerk response to racists being accused of racism.
Really not mincing words here. Definitely a hell of a change.
True story, I accidentally went to the fist page of this thread and read this post and didn't think twice that it wasn't from today.
Not much has changed since November 10th.
Too bad it came in the lame duck "let's finally do it because there is no way to punish us further at this point" rather than previously when morally everything else was the same but they didn't want to face the consequences.
Scousefury
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This Kerry speech has been amazing, dropping truth bombs all over place. Everyone is at fault and he is calling them all on it. Trumps reponse to this speech is going to be shameful
nature boy
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Trump's tweets will get more attention than the Kerry press conference.
Perfect for short attention span media
Meanwhile:
Perfect for short attention span media
Meanwhile:
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No, the most inspirational thing Democrats did, the thing that really woke people up and got people paying attention, was this:
Nobody knows or remembers that.
balladofwindfishes
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The GOP obviously remembers and feels it was effective because they're going to prevent it from happening again
Sirpopopop
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Like taking on alt-right racists?
That's terrible...
At this point, McMullin is doing more to get minority voters to support him than Bernie "Fuck Identity Politics" Sanders.
Good Job Bob
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See my tag.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Bibi is really taking some ridiculous risks right now.
https://twitter.com/glcarlstrom/status/813334950799953920
I mean seriously, Trump wouldn't actually sell out Israel if he got a good deal from some country?
https://twitter.com/glcarlstrom/status/813334950799953920
I mean seriously, Trump wouldn't actually sell out Israel if he got a good deal from some country?
VendettaRed07
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I don't think Bibi has got what it takes to have a good relationship with Trump.
It would require sucking up to him but I think Bibi is probably the only person with a larger, more sensitive ego than the Idiot-elect.
Second he crosses Trump he'll throw him and israel off the train.
It would require sucking up to him but I think Bibi is probably the only person with a larger, more sensitive ego than the Idiot-elect.
Second he crosses Trump he'll throw him and israel off the train.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Turkey-US relations are also gonna be super fun also considering that Erdogan's ego might be bigger and more sensitive than both Bibi and Trump.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend but I'm still going to call out my friends.
Of course he would. The only allegiances Trump has are to himself and maybe his kids.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Too many children on the world stage.
Sirpopopop
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It's true though.
as compared with:
Which one do you think will play better in an appeal?
Some say his son-in-law is largely running the show though, and he's unlikely to turn on Israel.
they will if they start doing more of this shit.
What is he, the Stig? "Some say that his voice can only be heard by cats, and that he has two sets of knees..."
I seriously doubt anyone could stand between Trump and "making a deal."
All right I laughed at that one.
Realistically, what deal would there be to cause him to sell out his family? Do you think Russia/Europe/China/the World would cut off ties with the US over our stance on Israel?
Poodlestrike
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More to the point, he'll be the President. The buck stops with him. If he says jump, his advisors have two options: resign, or "how high?" His son-in-law could theoretically be calling the day-to-day shots, but if Trump picks a direction, that is the direction his administration will have to follow.
Dominican Power
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Bernie's sounds better to be quite honest. You are just perpetuating the type of liberal echo-chamber that let Trump win, by refusing to understand the issues that people face and going "lul they are all racist fuck em". Not that their aren't "deplorable" in Trump's camp, but many can be reasoned with, in fact many lifelong Democrats switched to Trump. What do you say about that?
Bernie's right, and as Joe Biden said- "you can't eat equality". People need their basic physiological needs met first, which for many people Trump would provide/maintain. In a way, I can sympathize- growing up in a lower-middle class household, my parents first and foremost decision at the voting booth was living under a government that would ensure they could keep their jobs and ensure that we (the kids) could go to school, eat etc. I imagine this is the case for most people.
Funny I always thought the Trump-Hitler comparisons were nonsense, as there are much more relevant modern examples- Trump to me was a combination of Erdogan and Bibi, he has the thin-skinned authoritarianism of Erdogan, and the demagoguery and race-baiting of Bibi.
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In theory yes. In practice we saw his campaign and are already seeing the seeds of him disavowing responsibility for things as we go. He won't take intelligence briefings, so he can claim he does not know much on that topic. Daily press briefings might go away, so everything can come via scripted press-releases and/or favorable media avenues and there's no pressing for answers. We're seeing groundwork for internet and media surveillance/censorship which will certainly intimidate dissent.
I honestly see a huge rise in stonewalling by the White House and FOIA requests and litigation discovery being a norm with this administration. But both of those are a months later affair whereas a twitter post and two sentence call in to Fox will dominate the mindshare, it's the Carrier jobs-to-Mexico announcement just on a large scale.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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It is exactly related to him. Republicans lied to pollsters and said they weren't confident in the economy until Trump got elected.
Prof. Bathtub
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So when will we hear more from the NY AG regarding the foundation investigation? I wonder if the manchild will directly respond, and in what capacity.
Where was this announced?
Ziltoidia 9
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Trump seams like the type that would grow an evil Spock beard while president.
He announcing it shortly. It was mentioned in the morning on CNBC and when someone asked one of Trump's team members what it was about, he said we will let you keep guessing or some shit.
Edit - No idea if its a big economic policy, or something like the Carrier deal, no one knows. Who knows what it is.
Its almost as if... consumer confidence has been something that has been steadily building over the last 8 years of hard work to recover from the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. Nah!
People really do admire hilary clinton and obama. Pence is tied with Bibi.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...dges-trump-most-admired-man-america/95906764/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...dges-trump-most-admired-man-america/95906764/
Not disagreeing but if you just look at 2016, or even 15-16 you will see that post election there's a spike. And that's the other way to present this data which is favorable to his point. It's exactly the type of chart tomfoolery Daily Show would have highlighted.
Sure it looks gangster at 3 months. Context be damned!
Brawndo Addict
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That quote from Biden has to be one of the dumbest lines I have ever read; it is like the offspring of an unholy union of ignorance and privilege. It astonishes me that someone like Biden could say that without any sense of self-awareness. Inequality kills people. Inequality discriminates against people. Inequality impoverishes, disenfranchises, silences, dehumanizes, it makes you the 'other'. You can't eat equality, give me a motherfucking break, you literally wouldn't be able to eat in the same goddamn restaurant as white people without equality.
Equality was never for white people, equality is for all those people whose lives suffer when it doesn't exist. It's fucking depressing to see highly prominent democratic leaders question what the real-world value of equality is. MLK's white moderates never really left us I guess.
Yep. I wish I had a good gif for this.
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