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PoliGAF 2016 |OT16| Unpresidented

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Aaronology

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AntraxSuicide said:
And I'll point out that I'm a big critic of the guy, but I don't think he's bad on this out of malice. He's been a Vermont politician for decades. I'm not surprised he sucks on minority issues in the same way that the mayor of LA probably doesn't have much experience dealing with rural farmers. It's not his wheelhouse because his constituents are overwhelmingly white.
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Really doesn't matter how Bernie actually feels if the popular characterization of him is such that he costs himself or the Democratic Party support. He desperately needs to fight the perception of being tone-deaf, out of touch and not giving a damn about civil rights, but the man continues to reveal how politically inept he is at doing this. What sort of brain dead politician currently with a massive microphone to the party's base uses "identity politics" as a pejorative not realizing that to much of that base it's synonymous with "civil rights"? He's clueless.

Still.
 
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AntraxSuicide

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Aaronology said:
Really doesn't matter how Bernie actually feels if the popular characterization of him is such that he costs himself or the Democratic Party support. He desperately needs to fight the perception of being tone-deaf, out of touch and not giving a damn about civil rights, but the man continues to reveal how politically inept he is at doing this. What sort of brain dead politician currently with a massive microphone to the party's base uses "identity politics" as a pejorative not realizing that to much of that base it's synonymous with "civil rights"? He's clueless.

Still.
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Like I said, I don't care for the guy right now. But last year, his views made sense even though they were wrong. But yes, it is silly that he's never adapted. You cannot be a successful leftist in the US without giving considerable energy to minorities. Minorities have carried water for the Democrats for decades.
 
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Wilsongt

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Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

The U.S. Consumer Confidence Index for December surged nearly four points to 113.7, THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN MORE THAN 15 YEARS! Thanks Donald!
10:10 PM · Dec 27, 2016

I'm out.

I'm.
Fucking.
Out.
 
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jack_package_200

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Wilsongt said:
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

The U.S. Consumer Confidence Index for December surged nearly four points to 113.7, THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN MORE THAN 15 YEARS! Thanks Donald!
10:10 PM · Dec 27, 2016

I'm out.

I'm.
Fucking.
Out.
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I have never despised a human being more in my life. Not even my two high school bullies were as big a cunt as Donald J Trump
 
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Finalizer

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I'm kinda surprised at y'all's reactions to this. It should be totally expected of him to pat himself on the back for something he had no part in.

Tellin' you guys, this is just a preview of the next four years.
 
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RustyNails

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Here's the Haaretz piece I was talking about

Analysis UN Vote: World Beginning to Rescue Israel From Itself

I loved this part
The international community is signaling that no creation of purported facts on the ground, in the form of settlement construction, will change expectations of an Israeli withdrawal as part of a peace agreement.

The settlements may be part of the domestic Israeli rules of the game, but they have no sway anywhere else in the world. Israel’s annexation of East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights have not received any international support.

By the same token, the Knesset could legislate that there are 25 hours in a day, and it would have the same effect for the rest of the world.
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Obama playing chess while Trump is trying to trip him
Netanyahu has been playing a diplomatic chess game recently with Obama that will end in a checkmate. Netanyahu scored a temporary and illusory victory on Thursday when he lobbied to get the vote on the resolution deferred. Obama left it up to Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sissi to decide whether his country would have the resolution put to a vote.

Netanyahu outflanked him with the help of President-elect Donald Trump, who put pressure on Sissi. The Egyptian president held back for a day, got a commitment from Trump to reexamine the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but then faced the refusal of four other Security Council member states to go back on the plan.

Netanyahu made Trump look helpless, in practice extracting a promise for a more balanced policy than Trump's proposed move of the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, followed by his choice of settlement advocate David Friedman as ambassador to Israel.

With his impulses and ignorance, Trump, a man who is dangerous to world peace and stability, sounded over the weekend like a trader hoarding his wares – the settlements in this case – only as a bargaining chip, for that major deal in the future in which he will forgo them for the right price. For the time being, however, Trump is the one barking while Obama is biting.
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In more creative times under David Ben-Gurion, Shimon Peres, Levi Eshkol and Yitzhak Rabin, the interregnum between the election of a new leader and his taking office provided an opportunity, not only in the United States.

Peres, as Ben-Gurion’s emissary, obtained outgoing French Prime Minister Maurice Bourgès-Maunoury’s agreement to supply Israel with the nuclear reactor at Dimona.

As Eshkol’s representative in the transitional period between the end of Lyndon Johnson’s presidency and the beginning of Richard Nixon’s, Rabin secured Phantom jets for Israel without an Israeli commitment to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

In Netanyahu’s case, however, he's a hawk who has little to show for himself.
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Aaronology said:
Really doesn't matter how Bernie actually feels if the popular characterization of him is such that he costs himself or the Democratic Party support. He desperately needs to fight the perception of being tone-deaf, out of touch and not giving a damn about civil rights, but the man continues to reveal how politically inept he is at doing this. What sort of brain dead politician currently with a massive microphone to the party's base uses "identity politics" as a pejorative not realizing that to much of that base it's synonymous with "civil rights"? He's clueless.

Still.
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He does not learn, meaning there will be yet another thread about a story where Sanders drops this bullshit in the next few weeks.
 
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mo60

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Wilsongt said:
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

The U.S. Consumer Confidence Index for December surged nearly four points to 113.7, THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN MORE THAN 15 YEARS! Thanks Donald!
10:10 PM · Dec 27, 2016

I'm out.

I'm.
Fucking.
Out.
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He's literally bragging about helping the US economy grow now. Wow.
 
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Drakeon

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Wilsongt said:
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

The U.S. Consumer Confidence Index for December surged nearly four points to 113.7, THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN MORE THAN 15 YEARS! Thanks Donald!
10:10 PM · Dec 27, 2016

I'm out.

I'm.
Fucking.
Out.
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Nah man, this is great, as others have said, as soon as the economy starts tanking, this is just more ammo to own him with.
 
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Aaron Strife

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Finalizer said:
I'm kinda surprised at y'all's reactions to this. It should be totally expected of him to pat himself on the back for something he had no part in.

Tellin' you guys, this is just a preview of the next four years.
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Wonder if he takes credit for the economy tanking if it does

"Unemployment rate is at 10%, that's just because I fired all the losers!"
 
i_am_ben

i_am_ben

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Objectively, I see no problem with Trump bragging about the economy. It's what all smart politicians should do.

One of Obama's biggest failings is that he has completely and utterly failed to play up his accomplishments.
 
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Prof. Bathtub

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i_am_ben said:
Objectively, I see no problem with Trump bragging about the economy. It's what all smart politicians should do.

One of Obama's biggest failings is that he has completely and utterly failed to play up his accomplishments.
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He did highlight it decently in various speeches in 15 and 16, but I suppose he didn't hoot it incoherently to slavishly devoted followers, which is what makes the difference.
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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Y'know, the fascists still took over things pretty handily even though the socialists and liberals got their shit together and formed a cohesive opposition.

I feel like if we really are seeing a repeat rise of fascism and liberals and leftists can't stop fighting we really are fucked here.
 
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Foffy

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The praise in third person is so hilarious.

It's like you can see the insecurity and he's alt-accounting on his own Twitter page.
 
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royalan

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i_am_ben said:
Objectively, I see no problem with Trump bragging about the economy. It's what all smart politicians should do.

One of Obama's biggest failings is that he has completely and utterly failed to play up his accomplishments.
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Very true.

A failing of Democrats in general is their to play up their accomplishments and messaging until it's an election year, but by then it's too late. Republicans never stop attacking and labeling Democrats.
 
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Sibylus

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Bonen no Max'd said:
Y'know, the fascists still took over things pretty handily even though the socialists and liberals got their shit together and formed a cohesive opposition.

I feel like if we really are seeing a repeat rise of fascism and liberals and leftists can't stop fighting we really are fucked here.
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That's my chief worry too. The turf wars over primary and general election history with each other are beyond shortsighted and self-destructive.
 
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Foffy

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fourthcourse said:
DC PoliGAF where you at? Long-time lurker here. I'll be in town around the time of the inauguration. Got no place to stay. Everything is booked. If you have a spare couch and you live in the area, or if you're going to DC yourself and are looking to share accommodations, please reach out. It'd be hugely appreciated.
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Are you going for the inauguration, or the likely protests to occur during it? ;)
 
The Chosen One

The Chosen One

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That was indirectly in response to his win. He had literally nothing to do with the stock market growth.
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I also heard some TV commentary mention that the majority of the recent stock market growth is coming from a small segment from companies like Goldman-Sachs, which make up a good chunk of Trump's cabinet. However I don't know enough about the stock-market to verify if that claim is true, so take it with a grain of salt. But food for thought.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Watching Evan McMullin take on the alt-right racists on Twitter is something else. I'm really developing a ton of respect for that guy.
 
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Wilsongt

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Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

Doing my best to disregard the many inflammatory President O statements and roadblocks.Thought it was going to be a smooth transition - NOT!

What a saint.
 
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RustyNails

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royalan said:
Very true.

A failing of Democrats in general is their to play up their accomplishments and messaging until it's an election year, but by then it's too late. Republicans never stop attacking and labeling Democrats.
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There was a depressing article I read about Elkhart, IN. It was completely in the shitter with like 12℅ UE. Elkhart was bailed out by Obama and now it has like 5℅ UE. The factories have reopened and people are working full time. The reporter talks to a few of them and none of them knew it was the bailout that helped them and say Obama had nothing to do with it. Of course Elkhart went for Trump decidedly.
 
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royalan

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I don't think Obama is achieving what he thinks he is by rolling over for Trump with this "smooth" transition. The right doesn't respect it, and neither does the left.

And I don't care about his favorability. This election has been a referendum on the data and how we traditionally interpret it. I've never seen so much apathy toward Obama as I have in the last few months. People think he's a good person, but a terrible leader. And I'm starting to agree.

People forget (thanks to the Rachel Maddow show for pointing it out last night) that the most inspirational thing Democrats did this year was not nominating Hillary Clinton. It wasn't Obama's "steadiness" or duty to his office. It wasn't the Democrats' foolhardy respect for the "norms" of government, their penchant for turning the other cheek to receive another beating.

No, the most inspirational thing Democrats did, the thing that really woke people up and got people paying attention, was this:

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Ogodei

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royalan said:
I don't think Obama is achieving what he thinks he is by rolling over for Trump with this "smooth" transition. The right doesn't respect it, and neither does the left.

And I don't care about his favorability. This election has been a referendum on the data and how we traditionally interpret it. I've never seen so much apathy toward Obama as I have in the last few months. People think he's a good person, but a terrible leader. And I'm starting to agree.

People forget (thanks to the Rachel Maddow show for pointing it out last night) that the most inspirational thing Democrats did this year was not nominating Hillary Clinton. It wasn't Obama's "steadiness" or duty to his office. It wasn't the Democrats' foolhardy respect for the "norms" of government, their penchant for turning the other cheek to receive another beating.

No, the most inspirational thing Democrats did, the thing that really woke people up and got people paying attention, was this:

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The Democrats thought that being the adults in the room with a bunch of screaming toddlers would be contrast enough. It's another issue in which the two parties are not at all the same. "At least we're not Democrats" is a message that works for Republican voters, but "at least we're not Republicans" doesn't help Democrats that much.

Not to say the party is in tatters or anything, we've got the policies people like, we just need to sound the message and send us off to the races. I think that instead of talking about policy, we should talk about goals: zero policy fatalities for unarmed suspects, zero American citizens without access to health care, vote-by-mail in all 50 states, etc. Take what the party's trying to do, make it a big, flashy goal, and keep voters informed about how far we're going to get to the promised land.
 
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FyreWulff

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i_am_ben said:
Objectively, I see no problem with Trump bragging about the economy. It's what all smart politicians should do.

One of Obama's biggest failings is that he has completely and utterly failed to play up his accomplishments.
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One of Obama's biggest plusses is that he didn't stand up at a podium and masturbate in public
 
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