Trump brags that he snubbed Koch brothers, but they say they never asked for a meeting
The dude simply can't stop lying.
The dude simply can't stop lying.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.
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Thequietone
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Kids loooooove to play COD. Not even confined to WiiU either despite what the meme/joke says.
Thequietone
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Trump: Do you want to go out with me?
Koch brothers: .........
Trump: Psyche, I'd never go out with someone as ugly as you.
Trump: I refused to be a Koch puppet!!!!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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This is like the most common lie told by anyone though.
User 463088
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They also said they're not running any anti-Hillary ads this cycle.
Ya. On Wii U, I don't have an issue as much just because there is not as many people on mics.
Drunk History moment:
At the 2012 inauguration I went to black tie and boots (The Texas ball). My wife and I got fucking shitfaced drunk. It was in Virginia at National Harbor convention center.
Thank god our ride were Muslim and didn't drink because holy shit balls.
Anyway. We wound up at an upstairs dance-hall at the party and heard a country band that was pretty good. I don't listen to much country music as a general rule. I mean, Townes, Robert Earl and Cosmic Cowboys stuff, but not a lot of modern country or Texas country.
But this guy was pretty good and playing a small stage. So my wife and I cornered him and told him how good he was after the show. How he should really keep at it, because we lived in NYC and she was a music journo and he really had a bright future.
It was Zac Brown. Like, multi-platinum artist Zac Brown of the Zac Brown band.
Hopefully I do no embarrass myself so bad this time about.
At the 2012 inauguration I went to black tie and boots (The Texas ball). My wife and I got fucking shitfaced drunk. It was in Virginia at National Harbor convention center.
Thank god our ride were Muslim and didn't drink because holy shit balls.
Anyway. We wound up at an upstairs dance-hall at the party and heard a country band that was pretty good. I don't listen to much country music as a general rule. I mean, Townes, Robert Earl and Cosmic Cowboys stuff, but not a lot of modern country or Texas country.
But this guy was pretty good and playing a small stage. So my wife and I cornered him and told him how good he was after the show. How he should really keep at it, because we lived in NYC and she was a music journo and he really had a bright future.
It was Zac Brown. Like, multi-platinum artist Zac Brown of the Zac Brown band.
Hopefully I do no embarrass myself so bad this time about.
I can't imagine that it is terribly common in politics since it is just so easy to figure out if you are a liar or not.
Might be the first time that I've felt a feeling of respect for the Koch brothers.
Amibguous Cad
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There weren't democratic voters. But there were a ton of moderates and independents that preferred Bernie to Hillary. Remember all the talk about how Bernie did better in states that allowed non-affiliated people to vote?
No, that doesn't make sense on the merits, since Bernie is much more extreme than Clinton by any objective standard. The hate is pretty nonsensical, but it exists. What it shows is how profoundly damaged as a candidate she is. The far left hates her, that much we expected. But independents also hate her. Moderates hate her. Conservatives turned off by Trump hate her. The only bloc that reliably like her are middle of the road Democrats, which is why the polls show her in a dead heat against the easiest general election opponent in the modern era.
I mean, Bernie would have been toast once people started going negative on his comments about the Sandinistas and Castro and the like, which Clinton admirably refrained from doing, so I'm not saying that he'd win or be doing any better. But the fact that he appealed more to independents at any point reveals how weak a candidate Clinton is.
cartoon_soldier
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I am more interested in PPP's PA poll
It is quite possible that the Electoral college vs. popular vote margin is very lopsided this time around. If PA is put out of play, Trump is well fucked.
FL should be easier for Clinton compared to PA, OH.
It is quite possible that the Electoral college vs. popular vote margin is very lopsided this time around. If PA is put out of play, Trump is well fucked.
FL should be easier for Clinton compared to PA, OH.
She's probably going to get anywere from 340 EV's to 400EV's in this election. Popular vote margin will probably be in the high single digits or low double digits.I don't think she needs to steal trump supporters for either to happen.She will win florida by 4 to 6 points or maybe more than that , PA by 5+ or 10+ maybe, and OH by 2 to 5 points.
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The average poll still shows her winning by around 3 percent especially if you look at Huffington Post's poll tracker and most poll aggregate sites indicate that she will easily beat trump anywere from 100EV's to 150EV's. The highest EV prediction I have seen right now for hilary is around 337 which is from a canadian poll analysis site.
cartoon_soldier
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Popular Vote margin won't be more than +5
Nah. I think popular vote margin will be 7-10 percent most likely.I think the debates will decide by how much she beats trump by in the popular vote.She will probably get more EV's than usually even if she gets a popular vote around 5 percent anyway.
cartoon_soldier
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The polarization around means that will not happen. 3rd party will get a decent percentage this time too.
Debates won't mean much to Trump's support. His supporters will continue to back him no matter what.
I can see Johnson doing decent(like 2%-5%) but stein's definitely not going to crack 1%.She's not in all of the states like Johnson and she did like 3 times worse than Johnson in 2012.The greens could have done better in this election if stein was not their candidate and they got rid of their more weirder policy positions. I don't think trump will crack 45% either because their is little to no evidence yet he can poll greater than 45% consistently like Hilary. Also, hilary will probably get around 51% of the vote even though it's possible she does not even break 50% of the vote. I think demographics and high voter turnout will make hilary win in the high single digits at least. Also one thing I do expect to happen is that trump does worse than romney with the white vote but wins that vote by enough to prevent a truely devasting outcome for him in this election(like a 15%+ win for Hilary overall)
Clinton won more open primaries than Bernie did. The idea that Bernie lost because of closed primaries is simply not true. Bernie was winning because of caucus's, which are the most un-democratic inventions ever.
I'm still waiting for a leaked video of Tim Kaine playing the harmonica.
User 463088
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Why are we talking about Bernie again.
I thought having to suffer through the last days of the Busters was the end of having to worry about Bernie Sanders.
I thought having to suffer through the last days of the Busters was the end of having to worry about Bernie Sanders.
Amibguous Cad
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I'm not saying that Bernie lost because of closed primaries. I'm saying that he did better in open primaries than closed primaries, which is a really weird thing for someone so far out on the left wing to be doing. You'd usually expect the moderate to do better when you let independents in. A socialist wingnut doing better among independents than your establishment candidate shows that your establishment candidate has serious electability issues.
One thing that does irritate me about Trump - he's literally a child when he says things. Every time he gets interviewed he uses the same two phrases which are so child-like and so ridiculously cowardly:
'He's never met me' - when someone attacks him
'Lots of people are saying this' - when he insults someone else
He has absolutely no courage at all. He has to try and cover what he's saying with the veiled excuse that he's just repeating what lots of other people have said. They are the responses of a craven teenager.
'He's never met me' - when someone attacks him
'Lots of people are saying this' - when he insults someone else
He has absolutely no courage at all. He has to try and cover what he's saying with the veiled excuse that he's just repeating what lots of other people have said. They are the responses of a craven teenager.
So what you are saying is that all it took to humanize a couple of actual billionaire, alleged shitstains was a true shitstain, alleged billionaire?
User 463088
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Bernie's problem was not whether or not a primary was open or closed.
It was demographics. He didn't appeal to the core democratic base. Period.
Why are we still talking about Bernie again?
It was demographics. He didn't appeal to the core democratic base. Period.
Why are we still talking about Bernie again?
this is a rhetorical question right?
It shows that they have some principles and put their democratic vision of America above party loyalty. That's more than I can say of other Republicans.
And just because I respect this specific action by the Koch brothers doesn't mean that I now respect them generally.
User 463088
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It's never, ever, ever going to end is it?
I'll be 90, and someone will trigger me in the nursing home when they say "Bernie.". And then the cute (male) nurse that I'm hitting on (successfully I assume) will be confused why I'm raving about a stupid bird. And I'll give a weak "Yassss queen" before they wheel me down for VR Bingo.
Here's a list of things that are "bad" according to Donald Trump's twitter
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nature boy
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People really think the Khan issue will be his downfall?
His voters booed a 4 star general at a rally.
And Trump for whatever reason is still ahead in some tracking polls (USC/LATimes, and another one that I won't even bother to post).
Trump +7 in Arizona: http://data.workwithiws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/IWS-Arizona-POTUS-General.pdf
Still predicting a 320+ win for Clinton, btw.
His voters booed a 4 star general at a rally.
And Trump for whatever reason is still ahead in some tracking polls (USC/LATimes, and another one that I won't even bother to post).
Trump +7 in Arizona: http://data.workwithiws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/IWS-Arizona-POTUS-General.pdf
Still predicting a 320+ win for Clinton, btw.
So, I watched Karl Rove's meltdown from 2012. If you want to see the rise of Trump look no further. He even used the "these are intelligent guys, but there's something going on."
But the numbers... "We should be careful that the numbers look normal to the American people"
It's quite eerie.
But the numbers... "We should be careful that the numbers look normal to the American people"
It's quite eerie.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I wasn't aware of there being another tracking poll other than the clearly flawed LATimes poll.
nature boy
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That's because the other tracking poll is the People's Pundit Daily tracking poll.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Good lord, where did all the reputable pollsters go? This is insane how much new crap is just popping out of nowhere.
nature boy
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It's election year, lot of money to be made.
shinra-bansho
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It's not really about "his voters" though.
I mean, we all know that his core vote is white, nativist, racist, xenophobic, protectionist morons.
If anything this helps with them.
But I think this is the sort of thing, that if he continues to do, makes him even more repugnant to moderate GOP voters. To the point where they just can't vote for him.
They may ultimately vote Hillary. They may vote for some other random. Or they may just not vote.
Any of those outcomes helps repudiate him.
Attacking the family of a soldier killed saving others? That seems like it would be something of a GOP red-line. There's a reason that FOX news basically avoided the topic altogether to begin with.
nature boy
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We've seen so many "red-lines" that I don't think there's any red-lines anymore.
Mocked a disabled reporter. "But, Supreme Court!"
Mocked a POW. "But, Obama 3rd term!"
Mocked a judge. "But, I hate the Clintons!"
Mocked the entire political class, from Senators to Governors. "But, we're angry and want change!".
Mocked a general. "But, ISIS is attacking us and Obama might be a Muslim!"
The comments about Khan are disgusting, but I don't see how any GOP moderate on the fence thinks "this is it, I can't vote for Trump" after all the stupid shit he's said for over a year. Like really, this is the red flag? I would think they've moved on a long time ago.
He's essentially been "normalized" over the year. They'll plug their nose and vote for him.
Would love to be wrong and he lost in a electoral landslide, like 1968 or 1980, but I'm not optimistic that will happen.
Ultimately, this. People need to understand that the Supreme Court is what this election is ultimately about. The conservatives want conservatives in those seats. That's no good. Not good at all.
But yes, the people that need to be turned now are the moderate Republicans. The GOP must realize that once Trump loses/destroys America in his presidency, they will be completely wrecked.
Tranqueris
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I just remembered that Trump pretending to be his own PR guy (or whatever position it was) is a thing that actually happened in this election.
Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ.
shinra-bansho
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I don't think it translates into an electoral landslide.
And I don't think it's "just this" now being the thing that does it, it's all those things you listed and more. It's everything between now and November.
I'd like to think that not everyone is as spineless as Paul Ryan (who I don't actually think will vote for Trump in the solitude of the voting booth).
And in the solitude of the voting booth, does one really see the suburban mother of two daughters, who may just happen to normally vote GOP because of taxes or something... is going to vote for Donald Trump?
cartoon_soldier
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Yea, but I just want polling to stabilize at a Hillary +3-4 lead.
cartoon_soldier
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Most important part of PPP poll
RastaMentality
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How many hours from now?
RastaMentality
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30 mins. It's also a politico writer so there's a chance it's *nothing* but we'll see.
Most important part of PPP poll
I don't think Hillary can do anything to convince them to like her, really. Especially if the DNC didn't convince them. What she can do is convince them that Trump or the Independent candidates are worse.
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