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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.

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US News had a lengthy Pelosi article with some anecdotes

After Pelosi placed Wasserman Schultz onstage for a slice of national television time on the night of the party's 2006 midterm elections romp, the Florida congresswoman turned around and penned a "Dear Colleague" letter backing Hoyer, Pelosi's nemesis, for majority leader over Murtha.

An aide who worked in her office at the time recalls Pelosi being privately incensed.

"I elevated you to national status and handpicked you for a committee, and you do this to me?" she fumed to the aide.

A decade later, when Wasserman Schultz was struggling to weather a torrent of calls for her resignation as head of the Democratic National Committee, Pelosi let her twist in the wind.

"She never forgot," the former Pelosi aide says.
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As the Obama White House took its shot at health care reform, chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, sensing land mines, suggested a piecemeal approach beginning with insurance coverage for children, which was viewed as more politically palatable.

"The White House was in touch with her about breaking it up into various pieces. She flat-out said no," DeLauro says. "Nancy Pelosi is responsible for passing the Affordable Care Act."

And as the House's initial landmark health care bill approached a vote in 2009, it was Pelosi who opened the door to the delicate compromise of the so-called Stupak Amendment, allowing moderate Democrats to place stringent restrictions on government funding for abortions under the newly proposed system. It was a significant concession permitted by Pelosi – a longtime champion of abortion rights – that held her fragile coalition together and saved the House bill, which cleared the chamber by a five-vote margin.

The early salvo and Pelosi's stalwart shepherding efforts were key to what eventually culminated in Obamacare.

"Nancy Pelosi is a master of finding the right moments to leverage the unity of the Democratic caucus, and during the whirlwind of the Affordable Care Act, she was reaching out to members 24-7, tracking down votes, doing the individual meetings to hammer out the disagreements," says Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, an ally of Pelosi when he served in the House. "It's a moment that captured all of her strengths, and above all, her persistence."

Pelosi allies gripe that while former GOP House Speaker John Boehner was lauded for simply keeping the government open, the magnitude of what she accomplished – an economy-saving bank bailout (with President George W. Bush), the Dodd-Frank financial reform law, even a cap-and-trade climate change measure – hasn't garnered the respect it deserves.
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It's Frost – the onetime Pelosi foe – who might be the best example of her power of conversion. When he initially challenged her for the minority leader post in 2002, he portrayed her politics as too far to the left to be Democrats' national standard-bearer. Even now, while Frost respects Pelosi's talents, he says the generation gap plaguing the party eventually has to be heeded.

"She was reelected this time because there was no obvious younger person to step in her shoes," he says. "At some point, you have to have a changing of the guard."

Yet Frost was noticeably averse to criticizing Pelosi personally, at least in part due to the quiet compassion she showed when his wife died during the height of the 2006 campaign. Kathryn Frost, a retired major general in the U.S. military, passed away in late August of that year. Pelosi not only attended the funeral at Arlington National Cemetery, but spent time at the officers club reception afterward as well.

Frost had retired from the House two years earlier; she'd never need his vote again. But in a town full of fleeting relationships, transactional encounters and short-term political calculations, Pelosi prioritized the personal.

"I'd been someone who was gonna run against her," Frost says, pausing as he chokes up while retelling the story. "Members see those kinds of things and say, 'This is a really decent human being.' She took a couple hours out of her schedule when the House hung in the balance. She didn't have to do that."
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https://www.usnews.com/news/article...-trump-and-nancy-pelosis-potential-last-stand
 
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Paul Ryan saying Obamacare is the law of the land was what really made my day. Like, wow.

Pelosi is awesome. Sadly, she doesn't get a lot of credit where credit is due. Is she the most charismatic politician? No, but a Speaker shouldn't have to be.
 
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Trump supporter got destroyed on CNN

T: Trump is a winner, Republicans are the losers
CNN: since Jan 20th, point to a win for pres trump
T: well he has a winning vibe....
CNN: I'm sorry did you just say he has a winning vibe?
 
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The Democrats really should put forward their own ACA fix bill, filled with conservative ideas along with actual fixes just to highlight the GOP's hypocrisy. I'm talking all the dumb shit like tort reform, selling across state lines, HSAs, etc..., hell they can even offer to get rid of the employer mandate. In exchange, Medicaid is expanded in all states and subsidies are available to more middle class earners.
 
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Team Alucard

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Vixdean said:
The Democrats really should put forward their own ACA fix bill, filled with conservative ideas along with actual fixes just to highlight the GOP's hypocrisy. I'm talking all the dumb shit like tort reform, selling across state lines, HSAs, etc..., hell they can even offer to get rid of the employer mandate. In exchange, Medicaid is expanded in all states and subsidies are available to more middle class earners.
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Yeah, no. Fuck that. Caps on non-lethal malpractice awards are bullshit.

Idiot surgeon paralyzes you from the waist down during routine back surgery? Here's 45k for your trouble!

And the whole state-lines bullshit would just cause a rapid race to the bottom and effectively deranged any meaningful state-owned regulation.
 
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Diablos said:
Paul Ryan saying Obamacare is the law of the land was what really made my day. Like, wow.

Pelosi is awesome. Sadly, she doesn't get a lot of credit where credit is due. Is she the most charismatic politician? No, but a Speaker shouldn't have to be.
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Haha I feel you Diablos, hearing him utter those words gave me life. So glad for you guys !
 
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Vixdean

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Someone needs to make a "you can see the exact moment his heart breaks" gif with Ryan saying Obamacare remains the law of the land.
 
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More_Badass

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Are there any good articles like the Politco Trump one, about Obama and the ACA? Would love to read about his speeches and the reactions/thought processes in the room as it all happened

Or even better, good books?
 
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Frank the Great

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Vixdean said:
The Democrats really should put forward their own ACA fix bill, filled with conservative ideas along with actual fixes just to highlight the GOP's hypocrisy. I'm talking all the dumb shit like tort reform, selling across state lines, HSAs, etc..., hell they can even offer to get rid of the employer mandate. In exchange, Medicaid is expanded in all states and subsidies are available to more middle class earners.
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I agree that the Dems should introduce an Obamacare fix but I wouldn't​ put any conservatives gimmicks in it. They won't support an expansion to Medicaid in exchange for anything.

Just put in ideas that actually make sense.
 
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Chumly

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Team Alucard said:
Yeah, no. Fuck that. Caps on non-lethal malpractice awards are bullshit.

Idiot surgeon paralyzes you from the waist down during routine back surgery? Here's 45k for your trouble!

And the whole state-lines bullshit would just cause a rapid race to the bottom and effectively deranged any meaningful state-owned regulation.
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The purpose of selling across state lines is to race to the bottom but I'm not convinced it's even feasible anymore. The individual health market is just too dependent on networks that are set up. Most people agree that nothing would even happen if it were passed. States could probably pass some laws mitigating the damage too like charging a tax on all healthcare but then providing tax credits for policies sold in state.

Maybe it's something democrats could offer up in exchange for other changes that would overall strengthen Obamacare.
 
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Y2Kev

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Team Alucard said:
Yeah, no. Fuck that. Caps on non-lethal malpractice awards are bullshit.

Idiot surgeon paralyzes you from the waist down during routine back surgery? Here's 45k for your trouble!

And the whole state-lines bullshit would just cause a rapid race to the bottom and effectively deranged any meaningful state-owned regulation.
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I dunno. Why is he an idiot? Was it malpractice or did someone make an error on a tricky surgery? Shouldn't there be granularity?

45k obviously is too low but there is some element of reasonableness in malpractice insurance complaints. Obviously this is a microscopic piece of the puzzle.
 
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Lord_Byron28 said:
He just wishes somebody would tell him he's doing just fine. He also never realized that he was spread too thin. Till it was too late and he was empty within. HUNGRY! Feeding on chaos and living in sin. Downward spiral where does he begin?
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Cut my bill into pieces. I've reached my last resort, suffocation, no breathing. Don't give a fuck if I cut my whip, bleeding. Do you even care he dies bleeding?

...

Cause I'm losing my sight, losing my mind, wish John Boehner would tell me I'm fine.

(We gotta write complete parody lyrics, fam)
 
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benjipwns

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aspiegamer said:
I'm reminded of this again today...

We're extremely fortunate that the leaders of the current authoritarian administration are so astonishingly incompetent, from top to bottom, or America would have been entirely fucked by now.
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Hey, buddy, who do you think you are Amy Schumer? Stop stealing from Ronaldus Magnus's set about the Soviets.
 
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Doesn't the ACA already allow for selling across state lines, but no states or insurers are actually interested in taking advantage of it?
 
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OfficerRaichu15

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So I just went out on a college visit to University of Louisville, and when we were on the introduction, they mentioned their LGBT studies which in my mind was like "cool". My parents then had a conversation with me later and saying that believing LGBT action is right will condemn me to hell. What should I do? They keep me into faith and then they spout gay marriage acceptance damning me and it's killing me mentally. So what should I do y'all?
also saw the support of Black Lives matter which was nice cause equal representation is important.
 
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kirblar

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OfficerRaichu15 said:
So I just went out on a college visit to University of Louisville, and when we were on the introduction, they mentioned their LGBT studies which in my mind was like "cool". My parents then had a conversation with me later and saying that believing LGBT action is right will condemn me to hell. What should I do?
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Get through college, dont cut off the gravy train, get a job and out on your own and THEN you can draw the line in the sand.

Don't pick a fight you can't win.
 
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Ignatz Mouse said:
As long as there is a Hastert Rule, these guys will have veto power. OTOH, if that rule were abandoned and actual bipartisan laws were drafted....

Yeah, I'm dreaming.
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The funny thing about the Hastert Rule is he didn't come up with it, Newt used it first to hold the Contract with America coalition together...and it started usage way earlier, at least back to McCormack, except the House Democrats were usually split in a such a way that a chunk of them were willing to go along with Nixon or Reagan depending on the legislation. Democrat majorities in the House weren't all that different from in the Senate in terms of being in name only.

It's not even a rule either, just a guiding principle. Ryan can break it at anytime...like Hastert did 20 times or something.

You don't even need the Speaker to do it, it's just easier and more transparent really. Committee chairs theoretically can do the same thing. And probably already do.

Blader said:
Doesn't the ACA already allow for selling across state lines, but no states or insurers are actually interested in taking advantage of it?
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I mean technically law before DeathObamaRyanCare "allowed" for selling across state lines just only a handful of states* allowed people within their borders to purchase coverage from outside it.

You have to repeal McCarran-Ferguson's anti-trust exemptions for insurance.

*I want to say like three.
 
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OfficerRaichu15 said:
So I just went out on a college visit to University of Louisville, and when we were on the introduction, they mentioned their LGBT studies which in my mind was like "cool". My parents then had a conversation with me later and saying that believing LGBT action is right will condemn me to hell. What should I do?
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Nod and smile until you have the freedom to not have to
 
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benjipwns

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OfficerRaichu15 said:
So I just went out on a college visit to University of Louisville, and when we were on the introduction, they mentioned their LGBT studies which in my mind was like "cool". My parents then had a conversation with me later and saying that believing LGBT action is right will condemn me to hell. What should I do? They keep me into faith and then they spout gay marriage acceptance damning me and it's killing me mentally. So what should I do y'all?
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"When the devil wants to get something out of you, he doesn't lie at all. He tells you the exact, literal truth. And he lets you find your own way to hell."
 
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More_Badass

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OfficerRaichu15 said:
Alright I did just that thank you it's hard cause they tebd to be so nice to everyone it's sad.
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I know. Not for LGBTQ stuff, but liberal stuff. My dad's a hardcore conservative, so college is just liberal indoctrination, any racial discussion in politics is just race-baiting, LGBTQ isnt "normal", BLM wants to kill cops, Obama is the worst president ever, etc. You can't have a real discussion with someone like that.

It's frustrating when it's your family, especially when you're used to seeing them as your role models, and then they speak and act in a way that's completely counter to how they raised you

But when you're living at home, and need their support, nodding and smiling while screaming internally is the best you can do
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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benjipwns said:
The funny thing about the Hastert Rule is he didn't come up with it, Newt used it first to hold the Contract with America coalition together...and it started usage way earlier, at least back to McCormack, except the House Democrats were usually split in a such a way that a chunk of them were willing to go along with Nixon or Reagan depending on the legislation. Democrat majorities in the House weren't all that different from in the Senate in terms of being in name only.

It's not even a rule either, just a guiding principle. Ryan can break it at anytime...like Hastert did 20 times or something.

You don't even need the Speaker to do it, it's just easier and more transparent really. Committee chairs theoretically can do the same thing. And probably already do.


I mean technically law before DeathObamaRyanCare "allowed" for selling across state lines just only a handful of states* allowed people within their borders to purchase coverage from outside it.

You have to repeal McCarran-Ferguson's anti-trust exemptions for insurance.

*I want to say like three.
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I know it's not even a rule, but sticking with it gives the HFC too much power. This Congress could end up abandoning it.
 
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benjipwns

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The important thing about college is two things:
1. Don't major in political science, it's a fool's errand, it's for marks, rubes, greenhorns, the type who give their bank accounts to foreigners to help uncles escape.
2. If you take an intro to poli sci or theory/ideology course where Saint-Simoninism should come up and doesn't, your teacher is an idiot and sue them for malpractice, if it does, no, you can't write your paper without actually citing your sources. A list of book titles at the end is not a citation. Do it again.
3. Don't listen to anyone who tells you what you should do regarding college. They're lying. Like this, I said "two things" didn't I? Exactly.
 
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Teggy said:
C'mon Flynn, roll over. You willing to go to jail for Trump?
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Has anyone heard from or seen Flynn recently?

Page, Manafort, Stone recently put out a statement. But not Flynn.

Its been suggested that he's under one of those 'national security' arrests that don't get publicly announced until much later.
 
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thepotatoman

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Hopefully the large premium increases last time was just a blip from things shaking out and not a trend.
 
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Wilsongt

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You have to think that there are some Republicans breathing a sigh of relief that they don't have to fuck with healthcare for the time being.
 
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faisal233

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Adam Schiff on Lawfare podcast is a must listen. I listened to it on the ride home and it was so refreshing to hear a calm, reasoned and nuanced voice in today's environment. Addressed Russia active measures and America's role in the world.
 
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benjipwns

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so did this dude's charts get posted, step up your game GAF investigators, people love visual aids, like powerpoint presentations (why else would everyone do them?)

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Adam Khan‏
@Khanoisseur

.@donothingtrump While we wait for professional journalists to catch up look at how many dots readers have already connected
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~Kinggi~ said:
welp Maher went batshit again and lost his entire liberal panel in a another anti-muslim crusade again. Goddamnit Bill. Like seriously everyone was in complete agreement and then he went crazy again. Its the one thing Bill is weak on.
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In that conversation about Islam Maher literally sounded like Trump... And didn't let anyone talk. Now I remember why I don't like him...
 
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benjipwns said:
The important thing about college is two things:
1. Don't major in political science, it's a fool's errand, it's for marks, rubes, greenhorns, the type who give their bank accounts to foreigners to help uncles escape.
2. If you take an intro to poli sci or theory/ideology course where Saint-Simoninism should come up and doesn't, your teacher is an idiot and sue them for malpractice, if it does, no, you can't write your paper without actually citing your sources. A list of book titles at the end is not a citation. Do it again.
3. Don't listen to anyone who tells you what you should do regarding college. They're lying. Like this, I said "two things" didn't I? Exactly.
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(Benji's not wrong on #1- learn a skill.)
 
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