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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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Every single congressperson should be on TV right now ringing alarm bells.
They need to break through the media, I haven't seen shit today. A twitter or Facebook message isn't enough.
what's the GOP house strategy on the AHCA? send the bill to die in the senate and hope everyone looks the other way in 2018?
I don't understand where the political will for this is coming from; I kinda just assumed they were all craven enough to do nothing rather than go down in flames doing something they "believe" in
I don't understand where the political will for this is coming from; I kinda just assumed they were all craven enough to do nothing rather than go down in flames doing something they "believe" in
No, they shouldn't. Because at this point, people are aware of the issue. The GOP is giving itself a gigantic case of blueballs w/ the vote scheduling and cancelling happening over and over and over again, and at this point freaking out over it is a massive case of chicken-littleing.
The people to target for lobbying are limited and located in the GOP districts with members in flux. That isn't most people. I'm in Comstock's and would have called by now, except she's already a hard no, so I don't need to.
Also, to echo pigeon's point, you may watch too much TV, or none at all.
Because killing the fillibuster to ram this through would be insanity.
Last week, they did threaten to not vote for the CR if they had a AHCA vote, but that ship has sailed.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...-gop-votes-obamacare-repeal-article-1.3107939
Bonen no Max'd
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Klobuchar said on Pod Save America that she doesn't think there is any will to nuke the legislative filibuster, she could be wrong of course but that would be the first major hurdle to this passing the senate.
Flake's a no on nuking it.
TheLaughingStock
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Saying they're out of touch is misleading...they clearly don't care about their own. They care more and prioritize white men who are big shots on Wall St. Look at how well these predominantly white men did vs. their base. Not even close. Their die hard supporters lost their jobs, homes, and self-esteem. Some of them flipped towards Trump or stayed home. It's not a perception that just suddenly popped out of the ether lol. No need to dance around the truth.
My understanding was that they could still pass this through reconciliation. Is that not the case?
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AntraxSuicide
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Even with reconciliation there's no way they get 50 votes. Too many Senators like Cotton in states with high ACA enrollment. Reps aren't as visible and the job mostly sucks. Senators have cushy gigs and aren't going to fuck themselves out of those jobs for this shitheap of a bill.
The Parliamentarian could agree that those are terms of provisions that affect the budget, or those provisions could be structured to have some budget effect (such as affecting the payments that states or insurers in that state receive based on what the states waive). We also do not know how the Parlimentarian would rule to know that they would need to overrule her.
Bonen no Max'd
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Maybe I should call Labrador's office and tell him I don't want Obamacare Lite. That actually might be more effective than telling him not to try and repeal it lol
Though even if this doesn't pass the Senate it can still be damaging, like the cap-and-trade bill that passed the House but never got to the Senate.
Though even if this doesn't pass the Senate it can still be damaging, like the cap-and-trade bill that passed the House but never got to the Senate.
benicillin
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How many more careers must die for Trumps ego?
What's the population of working class Americans?
balladofwindfishes
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As are like 70% of the country
I've never quite seen a party so aggressively set on losing midterms as the GOP right now.
Poodlestrike
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Literally the whole point of the reconciliation process is that it only applies to matters that EXCLUSIVELY deal with the budget. Everything Congress does effects the budget if you add enough degrees of separation to it; the new "mandate" put the bill on thin ice as it was. No way does an Essential Health Benefits/Pre-Existing Conditions waiver pass muster.
Can the parliamentarian be fired?
balladofwindfishes
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Yea, but seeing Ryan and Trump suffer another embarrassing loss would be nice as well.
Poodlestrike
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I have no idea, but again, any circumvention of the parliamentarian is exactly equivalent to nuking the filibuster since whoever comes next will do the same thing.
If they're willing to do that they'd just nuke the filibuster. Much easier.
SomewhatGroovy
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I can't tell you how fucking angry it makes me when people try to give Trump a pass on his words that they'll desperately resort to "...b..but Colbert said ..."
What the fuck is wrong with people.
It is INSANE to me that people think like this and are jumping on a bandwagon to paint Colbert to be something he's not.
What the fuck is wrong with people.
It is INSANE to me that people think like this and are jumping on a bandwagon to paint Colbert to be something he's not.
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VendettaRed07
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I'm not so sure.
We already have enough to go off of them breaking promises and not being able to put together a bill. I don't think it's worth the additional stress worrying if this passes the house even if it eventually does fail in the senate.
I'd just prefer for it to be dead.
Abinash117
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/03/obamacare-repeal-democrats-237882?lo=ap_d1
I said in the other thread that voting and failing is one of the worst options. If they aren't confidant secretly, than they will pull the vote. Either way voting for this bill is suicide for the chances for some Republicans. It is like putting a gun to their head and voting for a bill that can have high chance of costing them their seats. I think some of them might get cold feet at the last second.
I said in the other thread that voting and failing is one of the worst options. If they aren't confidant secretly, than they will pull the vote. Either way voting for this bill is suicide for the chances for some Republicans. It is like putting a gun to their head and voting for a bill that can have high chance of costing them their seats. I think some of them might get cold feet at the last second.
shinra-bansho
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Yes, it replaced "generic wealthy people" with a number and a % sign. It also created human megaphones and idiotic hand signals. And then it fizzled out, since they weren't the 99%. They were a bunch of weirdos that most people couldn't relate to.
And ultimately still achieved little if anything in the way of the tangible. Because no one even remembers what the goal was, if there even was one.
The Tea Party at least managed to get some horrible people elected.
UltimaPooh
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Rolling jamboree was a result.
Aaron Strife
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I think they're right that "passes the House, fails the Senate" is probably the best outcome, but I still don't really want to gamble on it. I have no faith in "moderate" Senate Rs like McCain, Collins etc. who've backed every single thing Trump's done while half-heartedly poo-pooing it.
benicillin
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I feel like tomorrow is going to be a very long day, between the health care vote and the LGBT stuff. Giving me genuine anxiety. Even if the ACLU sues its an absolute tragedy to even put people through that.
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Agreed.
They need 60 in the Senate, and no democrats will vote for this.
There is no way they vote for it without being sure it will pass unless Trump forces them to, like he almost did last time
They need 50. Katie trashginty failing seriously sucks.
whyamihere
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Lot of people with roses in their twitter names confident that Le Pen will win.
balladofwindfishes
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I'm kind of wondering what this magic McConnell bill that passes reconciliation and makes everyone happy does?
Like it can't cover pre-existing conditions or you lose the Freedom Caucus, so I'm not really sure what the plan here is?
Like it can't cover pre-existing conditions or you lose the Freedom Caucus, so I'm not really sure what the plan here is?
Medicare for all is not the bill being put on the floor.
The alarm bells have been rung. The bill is already widely unpopular. If it passes, it'll be in spite of many of these congressmen's constituents.
MacArthur amendment lets them kick that can down the road.
metalslimer
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The AARP will run ads against every congressman that votes for this bill.
VendettaRed07
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House doesn't really care. They just want to pass on responsibility to someone else.
balladofwindfishes
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I legit cannot believe all that crap that sky rockets the elderly's rates still exists.
What in the world. That's political suicide
Yeah. Old people make up the majority percentage of Republican voters.
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