Someone linked some research earlier that showed people were willing to lose their own healthcare to ensure that certain other groups didn't get it as well (give a guess which groups). We can't walk away from the fact that a third or so of the people in both our countries are flat out evil.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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Someone linked some research earlier that showed people were willing to lose their own healthcare to ensure that certain other groups didn't get it as well (give a guess which groups). We can't walk away from the fact that a third or so of the people in both our countries are flat out evil.
The Technomancer
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Does anyone have this link?
cartoon_soldier
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Keep telling yourself it will die in the Senate
Like everyone here was so sure it had zero chance in the House as of yesterday
cartoon_soldier
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And the polls are forever wrong!
No, its not that. Its just hard to imagine a world where after 8 years of Obamacare rhetoric, they wouldn't pass anything.
A Serious Man
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Remember when we cheered for him to keep winning the primaries? How some people wanted to vote for him in their primary thinking it would be helpful to Dems...
This is what rabid partisanship has done. People literally voting against their own self-interest in the name of "their" team. People supporting putting a metaphorical loaded gun against their own head.
I guess they want to head into their next job potentially not getting health insurance because they broke their toe two years ago or something.
Fucking fools.
One off speeches are probably far better than the usual permanent 'consulting' role.
To be honest, while the optics are bad for politicians, I've never really saw anything problematic for paid speeches. I've sat through guest speeches from a few politicians but far more celebrities or celebrated academics. I doubt there's much quid pro quo from Dr Brian Cox getting £80,000 to talk about education to a bunch of bankers and their clients. It's almost always about the celebrity of the person speaking.
shinra-bansho
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I'm pretty sure Brian Cox is a neoliberal drone strike. And a racist; he wanted his son to kill all the mutants.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Nothing to see here, people:
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/li...th-bill-could-alter-employer-plans-1493890203
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/li...th-bill-could-alter-employer-plans-1493890203
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Holy shit
cartoon_soldier
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Bill is still going to pass. CNN will have people arguing both sides on whether this bill helps or hurts people with pre-existing conditions.
The GOP is actively attacking the lower and middle classes of this country. I mean, right in our faces. They're not even trying to hide it. This is worse than Pre-ACA. Worse than I ever thought it would be.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/860103182713839616
Cowards.
And all just to give the wealthy tax cuts. That's the only reason they are doing this at this time, to eliminate the tax provisions and subsidies to hand over the money as tax cuts to the wealthy through tax legislation.
Shit like this is so maddening that I don't know what I would do if I were a politician. It just seems so hopeless.
People are going to die because a rich person getting richer is more important to these sociopaths.
benicillin
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Trump and Ryan really reaching for that W. Going to be interesting to see what happens when it reaches the senate, considering how the thing is going to get torn apart between now and then.
LostMyNarbles
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Nothing quite like waking up to news that a shitty healthcare bill just got better chances of being enacted and the Republicans could get yet another SC seat.
smokeandmirrors
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It's getting harder and harder to avoid thinking that this country is beyond fixing at this point.
nintendoman58
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Wait, isn't this bill going to die in the senate?
Why all the worry if it passes the House? I thought this was a 60 vote thing?
I understand it's bad if it even passes the House, but still.
Why all the worry if it passes the House? I thought this was a 60 vote thing?
I understand it's bad if it even passes the House, but still.
People keep saying this
But it's not true. They can tweak the bill and pass it with 50.
nintendoman58
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Aaron Strife
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Nuking the filibuster is always on the table, but we'll see.
Nope.
balladofwindfishes
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This story has been going around for months. If he plans to retire, we'll likely know within the next week or so.
Poodlestrike
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Tweaking the bill to make it passable with 50 renders it dead in the House again, though. They'd have to drop the preexisting conditions waiver and oops there goes the FC.
I'll admit I'm not gonna be hugely shocked if they get the moderates on board. I'd drifted from it, but back when this thing first failed I mentioned that this was the way to get it out of the house. "Moderate" Rs aren't actually moderates, they're just cowards in less-safe districts than the Freedom Caucus. Lean on 'em hard enough and they'll flip.
Still, vote hasn't happened yet. We'll see how it goes.
benicillin
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SpaceCadetKeon
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Wait, did something happen? Because we knew this was a possibility.
Oh, that thing about Kennedy retiring. That's been rumored for a while now.
Yes.
But we're lying to ourselves if we think McConnell can't make those changes happen.
FloydtheFathead
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There technically is no period as it can just be moved up. I believe the period being talked about was for political expediency
McConnell isn't in the House and if Boehner could barely keep them in line.. I don't see how McConnell could browbeat the FC into accepting any changes that will be made in the Senate.
Aaron Strife
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Just the rumor that Kennedy will retire flaring up again.
benicillin
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Well yeah obviously, but those changes then need to be approved by the house and in the interim every health industry lobby is going to be breathing down their necks. If you want to be realistic yeah it could pass, but you also have to look at everything else. The only reason they even have a chance to pass the house right now is because it's a rush job.
I really think the MacArthur amendment completely changes the dynamic.
balladofwindfishes
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The Freedom Caucus does not want anything about this bill changed at all. If they make any changes to allow it to pass the senate with 50 votes, they'll have a war again when it goes back to the House. And also remember it goes back to the House after their recess where they likely had some nice "chats" with some "pleasant" voters.
Okay. Go back and read this thread just earlier this week. So much gloating about how this bill would fail.
We keep losing and people keep assuming the Rs will act rationally.
balladofwindfishes
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TestOfTide
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Except the HFC just proved that they control the house. What's to stop the Senate equivalent from pulling the same shit. Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, etc
balladofwindfishes
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Sarcastically thanking their moderate Republican colleagues for donating their seat to the Democrats next year.
I don't think there's enough FC members in the senate to have the same sway.
Real or fake news
cartoon_soldier
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Going on as many media appearances as possible to tell people how badly ahca affects them.
benicillin
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Well now that Trump is signing an order to basically let churches publicly endorse candidates they can skip the middle man and just straight up proselytize Trump, the God Emperor.
http://cnn.it/2pc3e54
http://cnn.it/2pc3e54
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