ShadowSwordmaster
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Seems reasonable enough.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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BoogieWoogie
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Ooooooo they in trouble.
ShadowSwordmaster
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My lord.
RastaMentality
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balladofwindfishes
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Someone made an oopsie
IggyChooChoo
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True, and I am hopeful that it'll come down to a question that'll be easy to answer by then: which of them is best at attacking Trump, and is she/he likeable?
Ouch.
Getting better. O'Rourke, those three from those gerrymandered strip districts near Brownsville TX, Garcetti, Cortez-Mastro.
whyamihere
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O'Rouke is white?
The Technomancer
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Any other reasons why I would or wouldn't like to see Sanders run in 2020 are ultimately dwarfed by the fact that, I'm sorry, he's too old. He's going to be what, 78 in 2020?
The Technomancer
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Maybe, maybe not. I think even the GOP who voted against it could have been whipped into a for vote if they needed it, they "got" to be the ones who opposed it for their records.
EDIT: This is not in any way to discount the importance of those races
Bam Bam Baklava
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Some of these votes might be announcing their retirement if they see the writing on the wall. That leaves them free to vote however is needed with a promise of a WH job or lobbying gig.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Yeah he has no shot. I like Sanders but I honestly think a young man/women will do a lot better for the party.
Huh, you're right. Looking at him i always assumed Hispanic despite the Irish name.
He primaried out a Hispanic, per wiki.
Roland_Gunner
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Four generations of his family are from El Paso and speaks Spanish. Thats honorary hispanic at least.
Technically that would mean he's Hispanic but not Latino? lol
Bonen no Max'd
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Gretchen Whitmer 2020, as long as Gretchen Whitmer 2018 goes well.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I'm kind of interested why the GOP isn't pushing on repealing Social Security.
I think a Social Security repeal bill would have the same approval ratings and electoral impact as the AHCA.
And the savings to the rich would obviously be much larger.
I think a Social Security repeal bill would have the same approval ratings and electoral impact as the AHCA.
And the savings to the rich would obviously be much larger.
It passed by 4, so it would've won by 1 if those races were won by Democrats.
I've kind of lost all hope for Michigan at the state level. White Resentment has swallowed that state whole.
Emerson
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lol
If the AHCA was regular political suicide, touching social security is throwing yourself into a meat grinder.
People have a strong grasp of Social Security and its benefits. I'd wager it's easier to run a war against ACA/Obamacare's more obscure benefits than an attack against a clear cut benefit of social security.
balladofwindfishes
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If them losing big time in 2018 is a foregone conclusion, they don't really have anything to lose by going after SS.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The AHCA has a 17% approval rating and caused the biggest donation day to House Dems ever.
I don't think a Social Security repeal bill would have a lower approval rating or more extreme reaction than that.
The AHCA is less popular than TARP (TARP was good, but that's not the point), it's basically the least popular bill you can write.
Bonen no Max'd
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I mean, I assume Corker and Fischer like being in the Senate. It can get much much worse for them.
Carpe Libertatem
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You would've just had a couple GOP no's switch to yes in that case.
Or maybe they'd be too scared to even try. Either way, the vote was clearly planned to give cover to some moderate Rs (even though this strategy doesn't really work, see: ACA)
Fenderputty
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Regardless of accuracy, I'm assuming they disagree with this or they would be.
Ignatz Mouse
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Oddly, this past election has turned my religious Western MI-dwelling sister suddenly political and leftward. Man, does she seem to hate Trump.
Her biggest issue prior was probably being anti-abortion, and Western MI is very red.
I don't know what switched in her, but I am glad for it!
you can't change SS in reconciliation
balladofwindfishes
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We're breaking new ground here, where politicians have lost all sense of self preservation after getting a cranky phone call from Trump.
I like how it's specifically written that way too. Social Security is singled out as being untouchable using reconciliation.
just goes to show how deeply unpopular the idea of fucking with SS is
ShadowSwordmaster
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And the GOP will try to fuck with it.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I think the difference is they think people would remember Social Security reform, whereas people will forget about AHCA once the Senate writes a new bill that goes nowhere and they can blame Dems for obstructing.
Oh well that's a simpler reason then...
Abinash117
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332025-senate-gop-vows-big-changes-for-obamacare-bill
It seems like the job for the Senate has gotten much harder. They are waiting for the CBO report and I think waiting to see if the bill satisfy the rules. I think those will settle the fact if they start over. However, I believe if the CBO report is much, much worse they will scrape the bill altogether because otherwise they would have to do a lot more work to change it.
Trump's insistence to pass the bill might have complicated matters a little more. If the bill does not satisfy the Senate it might be a long while before it even get to his desk or the House version dies. The bill would have actually achieved nothing of value long term and painted the backs of his fellow Republicans for a short term PR victory.
It seems like the job for the Senate has gotten much harder. They are waiting for the CBO report and I think waiting to see if the bill satisfy the rules. I think those will settle the fact if they start over. However, I believe if the CBO report is much, much worse they will scrape the bill altogether because otherwise they would have to do a lot more work to change it.
Trump's insistence to pass the bill might have complicated matters a little more. If the bill does not satisfy the Senate it might be a long while before it even get to his desk or the House version dies. The bill would have actually achieved nothing of value long term and painted the backs of his fellow Republicans for a short term PR victory.
Carpe Libertatem
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Cook has started reevaluating House races in the wake of the AHCA (even if the Rep voted against it)
CO-6 now tossup. Kander Clone Jason Crow seems a pretty good candidate!
CO-6 now tossup. Kander Clone Jason Crow seems a pretty good candidate!
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
No I posted it a page ago. It happened this past week they are getting ready for interviews in the coming weeks.
balladofwindfishes
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Looks like they don't really want to do it and were hoping it failed in the house. I'm still not really thinking this ever makes it out of the senate. This article doesn't seem particularly confident.
They're not going to bother with all of that for a bill with only a 17% approval rating. If making a bill that fits into reconciliation is too challenging, they'll just not do it, require 60, and blame the Democrats for the failure.
Whoops lol
The Parli has been around through Dem/Rep majorities so seems like the fuckery could be minor. The filibuster question is probably impossible to answer. Based on the unpopularity of this legislation, I imagine that's suicide, and it's not really a guarantee you can get the 51 either way via reconciliation anyway right now.
Dominican Power
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What's wrong with Spicy
lol@ The Trump administration taking credit for low unemployment.
lol @ celebrating cinco de mayo when you're deporting innocent illegal aliens. Fuck off.
lol@ The Trump administration taking credit for low unemployment.
lol @ celebrating cinco de mayo when you're deporting innocent illegal aliens. Fuck off.
Is the 17% approval just people saying they want good and affordable healthcare for all!? If so, it's silly why it's so hard to get something as it seems both sides (BOTH SIDES!) do think healthcare is a right. Shouldn't Republicans literally just do the opposite of this and BAM 83 percent approval!?
I just don't understand the calculus on this. I never have since this whole ordeal started months ago, and it continues to baffle me. It's like the math was we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. We made a show for years of repealing, and now the "show" isn't enough even though it had worked well to this point for them. But now let's put our name on something shitty, and hey if it doesn't pass, people will just forget and we can pretend it's not still not our fault at all. Like, maybe that works for Trump (and really only sort of), but that's been shown it does not work for random politician X who isn't always in the news.
I just don't understand the calculus on this. I never have since this whole ordeal started months ago, and it continues to baffle me. It's like the math was we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. We made a show for years of repealing, and now the "show" isn't enough even though it had worked well to this point for them. But now let's put our name on something shitty, and hey if it doesn't pass, people will just forget and we can pretend it's not still not our fault at all. Like, maybe that works for Trump (and really only sort of), but that's been shown it does not work for random politician X who isn't always in the news.
modernlifeisANDY
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This is his duty weekend with the Navy reserves.
Yeah it's as weird typing as it is hearing it.
Emerson
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I'm glad in the calming light of a new day we're all seeing that the Senate isn't using this garbage bill and that they'll be making their own. As everything has indicated for weeks and some of us were saying yesterday.
And at the end of the day I suspect the Freedom Caucus will fuck up their plans once again.
And at the end of the day I suspect the Freedom Caucus will fuck up their plans once again.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Reporter : something about defunding the drug office
Replacement spicer: i would not site polotico as a source
That's not a denial
Replacement spicer: i would not site polotico as a source
That's not a denial
Bonen no Max'd
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How many veteran Democrats named Jason do we have to flood the midterms with?
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