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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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"Discussing."
Three GOP senators can stop all Senate business entirely until they get what they want.
They obviously know this. There's a reason McCain, Graham and Collins killed the methane CRA today (although Collins may have just actually liked the regulation).
There's nothing to discuss. It's just a question of how long they are willing to collaborate with evil.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The Big Dog James Comey
You honestly don't see how mass email dumps through Wikileaks was a calculated attempt to deligitemize the Clinton campaign, which was already hurting from an email scandal? Most people probably couldn't tell you the difference between Clintons email server, the dnc emails, and podesta's emails. Hell I'd argue that was the point of mass releases who cares what's in it it's a "bad look".
Or you "benji-don't-see" how
Edit: hell trump himself appeared to not know the difference when he asked Russia to "find 30,000 missing emails"
Fenderputty
Banned
What the deal with the single painted red finger nail?
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
If you're waiting for elected Republicans to 'do the right thing' you will always be disappointed. That ship sailed long ago. What's left is public pressure, media pressure, and a rogue FBI.
Emerson
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I believe it's an homage to his mother but I could be wrong. He discusses it in his live show.
Speaking of which, CNN aired pics of Spicer speaking last night before all the lights were shutoff.
benjipwns
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So this was the master criminal conspiracy: have Russia acquire Democratic e-mails while you win the GOP nomination (obviously guaranteed) then Russia gobetweens Wikileaks to release the e-mails (which will obviously be heavily damaging) and you go directly to White House (because you obviously have nothing on your end that could hurt you)?
In memory of his mother.
Yeah, my reaction to the Libertarians complaining that "state action is violence" (rather than simply acknowledging it as such) is basically "So? Isn't that the point?"
I don't know what the master plan was, or even if there was one at all. What I do know is it should be clear to someone of your intelligence how releasing dumps of "boring emails" was intended to damage her campaign. Why do it if you expect it will have no effect?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
My answer to "the state has a monopoly on violence" is "I'd rather not everyone have access to violence thanks"
They thought it would hurt Hillary and make it harder for her to run the country once she won.
Ignatz Mouse
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Is Benji denying that the Russians tried to mess with the election by undermining Clinton?
That's two people I've heard say that today. Absolutely baffling to me, especially with the Russian metadata all over the files, the IC backing it up, and evidence of them doing the same in France (where even more Russian metadata was found).
That's two people I've heard say that today. Absolutely baffling to me, especially with the Russian metadata all over the files, the IC backing it up, and evidence of them doing the same in France (where even more Russian metadata was found).
The libertarians and lib-adjacent really soaked up the Wikileaks thing about the CIA being able to disguise themselves as Russia.
whyamihere
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oh.
benjipwns
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The point I'm looking for here is where a criminal conspiracy involving Donald Trump is necessary to any of that?
And why anyone thinks we should be focused at all on a hypothetical crime that hypothetically harmed Hillary Clinton's campaign when there's you know, actual people being hurt and stuff. Might as well debate the primaries that Bernie had stolen from him again.
Yes, libertarians support state violence.
The latter is always the situation. The state's claim to its legitimacy in performing violence is the philosophical debate.
The state derives its just powers from the consent of the governed, duhhhh
Nowhere. But it is absolutely necessary to the continued legitimacy of the republic that it be determined if something like this happened or not.
whyamihere
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I mean, there is no Generic Dem, but still!
You go to espionage with the useful idiots you have, not the useful idiots you wish you had
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
yo there was a chapter in one of my textbooks about the badness of social contract theory
it has entirely vanished from my mind now that I need it though
Aaron Strife
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Blum and Poliquin trailing wouldn't surprise me, Obama won both districts. When people talk about "exasperated Trump supporters" that's exactly who they mean. Rural, working-class whites desperate enough to gamble on Trump.
Upton's district was only 50-49 Romney, too. Went 51-43 Trump in 2016.
Baron von Loathsome
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https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/10/15610744/anti-net-neutrality-fake-comments-identities
And it just so happens that you can't search or submit comments right now.
And it just so happens that you can't search or submit comments right now.
FloydtheFathead
Member
The power is in your hands..
We believe in you.. or yell at your rep to really primary her or something
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
I'd donate to pigeon's primary campaign
It would be conditional on mentions of opposing Nazis on his website though.
It would be conditional on mentions of opposing Nazis on his website though.
FloydtheFathead
Member
I would honestly be disappointed in him if there weren't a blurb about it
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Senate Intel issues subpoenas for MICHAEL FLYNN documents on Russia probe
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/862433643960119296
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/862433643960119296
My campaign promo photo would be a reenactment of Captain America #1.
benjipwns
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Okay, but how?
Our politics are constantly interfered with by foreign powers. Every election is subsumed with discussions about them. This goes back to the very founding elections even!
At worst here we have a foreign power that directly targeted and harmed one of our political candidates for one of our political offices. And they couldn't even get access to her e-mails, just her lackey. I'm not impressed at all. Judicial Watch got more of her e-mails than Russia ever did. (Officially.)
It just seems like a desperate attempt to deny the legitimacy of Donald Trump as President. Why excuse the voters who elected him? Let alone give their agency, their complicity, away and grant the power of that legitimacy to a foreign state that we were "officially" semi-buds with until recently.
Ignatz Mouse
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It's all the circumstantial evidence that makes this different. Tillerson as SOS, the anti NATO comments during the campaign, the members of the campaign meeting with Russians.
I mean, I think this is the problem. Since you view all government as illegitimate, the different levels of legitimacy escape you. For those of us who can see in color, green and blue look different.
and this
Understanding how big data analytics and targeted kompromat propagation occurs can help us contend with and combat it in the future. Understanding how that targeting took place, who/what was involved, and how it was so easy to do is vital to preserving our sovereignty moving forward as a nation. Not just for the US, but around the world. Our country proved incapable of defending itself from cyber-warfare targeting the fundamental system of our democracy. There is nothing more important than stopping that from happening again and holding those in charge of it responsible.
What was released is irrelevant. What matters is how easy it was to systematically target specific voter groups/areas and influence them to the point that they were able to swing an election in the favor of someone everyone thought would lose. The ramifications of this are absolutely terrifying, and I'm baffled that people seem more focused on what was released than how it was released.
None of this excuses the voters who got him elected. They were morons easily influenced by bullshit. But in order to better prevent this from happening in the future, we must understand how they were targeted and manipulated, and how that knowledge can be put to good use in the future.
Beer Monkey
Member
After he refused to cooperate.
Those guys were also bad I agree
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
The guy on CNN said Flynn will probably plead the 5th the whole time.
Spoiled Milk
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...could you elaborate on this?
neurosisxeno
Member
Isn't there a Donald Trump tweet about pleading the fifth?
Bush getting away with everything he did was not good optics.
benjipwns
Banned
The FBI does not have unlimited resources. I would prefer they chase actual crimes rather than highly dubious cases of corporate espionage in racketeering enterprises. One place they can start is with all those indictments they failed to file eight years ago.
I fully endorse Trump putting both in prison. If he has to run the FBI himself, so be it. I trust he will then indict himself. He looks honest to me. He probably should get a hat that says it though so I can be sure.
neurosisxeno
Member
Yes, if anyone belongs in prison it's Barack Obama.
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