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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house

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Arkeband

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Eric Trump has a weird Richard Spencer haircut going on.

I'd say it's nothing, but he and his brother have been rocking the American Psycho for so long, I wonder what caused the change.
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
chadskin said:
https://twitter.com/costareports/
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That means this is getting more opposition than they expected.
Probably in part due to the Dem shift in recent elections.

The problem they will face, if they moderate the bill more, how will it pass the house.
There has to be a point where the FC will say no, no matter what.

And all of this is before the CBO.
 
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Roland_Gunner

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Suikoguy said:
That means this is getting more opposition than they expected.
Probably in part due to the Dem shift in recent elections.

The problem they will face, if they moderate the bill more, how will it pass the house.
There has to be a point where the FC will say no, no matter what.
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Robert Costa‏Verified account @costareports 45m45 minutes ago
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Privately, some sens tell me that if the talks make progress, a vote could be postponed till after July 4. But still push for this week.
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This is the most important one. If the supposed moderates will hold their ground for once McConnell may still just hold a vote, let it fail, and then move on to other business.
 
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Aaron Strife

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Suikoguy said:
That means this is getting more opposition than they expected.
Probably in part due to the Dem shift in recent elections.

The problem they will face, if they moderate the bill more, how will it pass the house.
There has to be a point where the FC will say no, no matter what.

And all of this is before the CBO.
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I think Heller's No - which was quite a resounding No at that - was a shock to the leadership. We can speculate all we want about McConnell's game plan, letting certain members vote No if it helps their re-election, but the seeming fallout from Heller's announcement doesn't seem like it was a part of the plan. Nor did Pence's SuperPAC dropping millions into ads shitting on Heller. If you're a moderate GOP senator, you see that retribution as an act of war.

That's the problem with Trump as a leader, he expects loyalty from everyone else but will be the first to throw you under the bus if you fail him in some way.
 
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kirblar

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Aaron Strife said:
I think Heller's No - which was quite a resounding No at that - was a shock to the leadership. We can speculate all we want about McConnell's game plan, letting certain members vote No if it helps their re-election, but the seeming fallout from Heller's announcement doesn't seem like it was a part of the plan. Nor did Pence's SuperPAC dropping millions into ads shitting on Heller. If you're a moderate GOP senator, you see that retribution as an act of war.

That's the problem with Trump as a leader, he expects loyalty from everyone else but will be the first to throw you under the bus if you fail him in some way.
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I'm seeing those ads on Twitter for some reason btw.
 
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Poodlestrike

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Box of Kittens said:
Growing up in Indiana, Confederate flag bumper stickers and horns modified to play Dixie were all over the place.
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I saw a guy with a confederate flag front plate. And there was a house near the place I was working that was flying it outright.

Do these people know that they're north of the Mason-Dixon line? They don't even have the flimsy protection of the "confederate heritage" shield, they're just openly declaring themselves racist.
 
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Lo-Volt

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/879054108434382848?p=v

McConnell's interns are extremely stupid. "If you don't maintain continuous coverage, you can't buy insurance for 6 months" is literally the dumbest policy idea I've ever heard.
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OK. Do these strapping young bucks remember that most people lose continuous coverage by losing their job? Most people don't go off and just fire their health insurance provider. They usually can't.

But under the AHCA, we'd all want to, because this bill would strip essential protections and services from a lot of insurance plans. The Republicans basically want the country at large to have insurance that doesn't do anything while they get the socialized stuff in office.
 
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FyreWulff

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Lo-Volt said:
OK. Do these strapping young bucks remember that most people lose continuous coverage by losing their job? Most people don't go off and just fire their health insurance provider. They usually can't.

But under the AHCA, we'd all want to, because this bill would strip essential protections and services from a lot of insurance plans. The Republicans basically want the country at large to have insurance that doesn't do anything while they get the socialized stuff in office.
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They want it because it helps employers lock-in employees when you have a 6-month health sword of damocles hanging over you
 
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A Black Falcon

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I think the right has been pushing around these "Kennedy will retire" rumors for a while now, probably more out of hope (to take the court for sure for what could be quite some time) than anything else. It would be not at all surprising if it didn't happen, because are these rumors coming from Kennedy, or just right-wingers who want that seat farther right? It's probably the latter.

Pyrokai said:
I've long said gerrymandering, along with money in politics (Citizens United), and voter suppression are the main three reasons our democracy is in shambles.

At least SCOTUS is soon hearing the gerrymandering case
before Kennedys retirement and hopefully Ginsburg's hearse arrival
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Money in politics is certainly damaging, but the gerrymandered lines are worse because with the electoral maps we have now, no amount of money will make the Democrats competitive in a whole lot of districts. As for voter suppression that is a very serious issue which ties right in to gerrymandering, as they use voter suppression to help keep those marginal seats red... but I think that getting rid of the gerrymandering would be even more effective at improving on America's problems than getting rid of voter suppression would.

So yeah, gerrymandering is the worst thing in American politics today.
 
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Vixdean

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https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2017/6/the-missing-ingredient-in-bcra-humility

The reason Americans are divided about health care (like so many issues today) is that we don’t know exactly how to fix it. Politicians hate to admit it, and partisans like to pretend otherwise. But it’s true.

And history teaches us that when we don’t know how to solve a problem, the best thing to do is to experiment. We should test different ideas through a cooperative, bottom-up, trial-and-error process rather than imposing top-down, partisan power-plays that disrupt the lives of hundreds of millions of people at a time.
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This is some amazing bullshit. I really do commend Republicans on being able to spin yarns like this that sound sincere, but are 100% crap. We don't have to experiment with shit, we know exactly how to fix healthcare. You stupid evil mother fuckers just don't want to do it.
 
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barber

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Vixdean said:
https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2017/6/the-missing-ingredient-in-bcra-humility



This is some amazing bullshit. I really do commend Republicans on being able to spin yarns like this that sound sincere, but are 100% crap. We don't have to experiment with shit, we know exactly how to fix healthcare. You stupid evil mother fuckers just don't want to do it.
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Trial and error is not something you do with stuff that can lead to the death of thousands!!
Plus why go for trial and error when solution have been found in other similar countries that cut down the costs?

Kevinroc said:
Ron Johnson: People with preexisting condition don't deserve insurance like ‘somebody who crashes their car'

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/ron...nsurance-like-somebody-who-crashes-their-car/



Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NQE3tpAsU8
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So, being born with problems is now your own fault? yish, they went full on bootstraps now!
And yeah, if there is no mandate to buy insurance and the companies are forced to offer low pice to preexisting conditions (which are the ones which will want to be covered!!), prices will rise. That is why the mandate exists! The healthy people are supposed to pay for the healthcare of the injured ones, like any other insurance!
EDIT: about the premiums doubling, wasnt the price increase during the same time period more or less similar to the one in the 2000s? That speaks to the problem not being the new regulatiosn but rather that the insurance / healthcare business may be making too much money.
 
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Kevinroc

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Ron Johnson: People with preexisting condition don’t deserve insurance like ‘somebody who crashes their car’

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/ron...nsurance-like-somebody-who-crashes-their-car/

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) suggested on Sunday that people with pre-existing conditions deserved to pay more for insurance because they were like cars that had been involved in an automobile accident.

During an interview on Meet the Press, host Chuck Todd noted that Republicans in the Senate had held no hearings on their health care bill and so they could not say for sure why insurance companies were abandoning some markets.

Johnson sidestepped the refusal to hold hearings and insisted that he already knows the answer “but nobody wants to talk about it.”

The Wisconsin Republican pointed to Obamacare rules that forbid insurance companies from charging more for people with preexisting conditions.

“We know why those premiums doubled,” he opined. “We’ve done something with our health care system that you would never think about doing, for example, with auto insurance, where you would require auto insurance companies to sell a policy to somebody after they crash their car.”

“States that have… guarantees for preexisting conditions, it crashes their markets,” he continued. “It causes the markets to collapse. It causes premiums to skyrocket.”
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Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NQE3tpAsU8
 
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Plinko

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Kevinroc said:
Ron Johnson: People with preexisting condition don’t deserve insurance like ‘somebody who crashes their car’

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/ron...nsurance-like-somebody-who-crashes-their-car/



Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NQE3tpAsU8
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More political ammunition for 2018 and 2020. This, KellyAnne douchebag's comment about people on Medicaid needing to "get a job," etc.

Health care is THE issue that can turn republicans against their own, or at least not vote. Wait until they all start getting reamed.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
These are the moments democrats need to capitalize as soon as possible. Take those comments and run a 7-figure ad campaign blanketing airwaves about what these people actually think.

Then, scroll a list of pre-existing conditions.
 
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VendettaRed07

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Plinko said:
These are the moments democrats need to capitalize as soon as possible. Take those comments and run a 7-figure ad campaign blanketing airwaves about what these people actually think.

Then, scroll a list of pre-existing conditions.
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this is something that needs to be done.

I think many people still don't see this as a big deal because they don't know what "pre-existing condition" even means or that they may have one
 
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Vixdean

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The more I think about it the more I believe getting rid of the personal mortgage interest deduction makes sense. It doesn't really benefit the middle class much, certainly not as much as more generous education tax credits or health care subsidies would. Not to mention a lot of people who either bought houses or refinanced over the past 8 years while interest rates were in the tank probably don't even claim it because their standard deduction is higher than itemizing. It mostly benefits upper middle class/rich people with either very expensive or multiple homes and a lot of itemized deductions.
 
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Aaron Strife

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Sobriquet said:
How the fuck did Feingold lose? :(
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In fairness, Feingold spent the 2010 campaign running with one arm tied behind his back as protest against the Citizens United ruling. He went back to rules he'd set for himself in previous campaigns of spending only a dollar for every resident of Wisconsin, and disallowing outside groups like the DSCC get involved. I admire his principles but 2010 was largely self-inflicted. He counted on Wisconsinites to know better and they clearly didn't deliver. Notably in 2004 (when he won by double digits even as Kerry barely won the state), he didn't hold himself to these rules because he figured McCain-Feingold evened the playing field well enough.

2016 though... he probably wasn't winning with Clinton losing the state, although there was an interesting amount of Clinton/Johnson and Trump/Feingold voters. It should be noted that Clinton's losing maps in PA, MI and WI look completely different from any previous winning GOP coalition in those states, whereas Feingold and McGinty's losses broke along more standard lines.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Rob Reiner tweeted that a Fox anchor was saying it was ok for Trump to collude with Russia in the election. Did anybody hear this? Are they getting in front of the supposed big story tomorrow?
 
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The Technomancer

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What burns me up about Feingold isn't just that his more progressive stances should have been energizing but that he also has a history of walking the walk and is widely respected among Wisconsin dems. 2016 should have been a walk. What a fucked up election
 
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SerAardvark

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Plinko said:
Rob Reiner tweeted that a Fox anchor was saying it was ok for Trump to collude with Russia in the election. Did anybody hear this? Are they getting in front of the supposed big story tomorrow?
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Probably talking about Brit Hume, who earlier today was talking about how collusion isn't a crime (although he did acknowledge it was still concerning. This isn't the first time that argument has been used to downplay it, either.

Video at: https://www.mediamatters.org/video/...aign-did-collude-russia-it-s-not-crime/217024

HUME: But what crime? Can anybody identify the crime? Collusion, while it would be obviously alarming and highly inappropriate for the Trump campaign, of which there is no evidence by the way, of colluding with the Russians. It's not a crime. So are we talking about here the president's firing of Comey being and obstruction of justice? And they got a grand jury on that? Is that was this is about?
 
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ArkhamFantasy

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Plinko said:
Rob Reiner tweeted that a Fox anchor was saying it was ok for Trump to collude with Russia in the election. Did anybody hear this? Are they getting in front of the supposed big story tomorrow?
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Ive heard them say multiple times that its legal. This is just the next logical step.
 
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Aaron Strife

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The Technomancer said:
What burns me up about Feingold isn't just that his more progressive stances should have been energizing but that he also has a history of walking the walk and is widely respected among Wisconsin dems. 2016 should have been a walk. What a fucked up election
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Wisconsin turned its back on easily one of the most honest men to ever enter the U.S. Senate.

Some of you know I wrote a play about Paul Wellstone that's being staged this August, and I can't help but see all these parallels between Russ and Paul. I like to think Paul would have won reelection had he lived, but my mind tells me he would have been yet another casualty of a cynical political system that rewards cheats and liars.
 
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Ogodei

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Hey, if Ron Johnson's monstrous ideas about pre-existing conditions keep him from voting for this bill, more power to him.

What sort of human being can you be to think that, though?
 
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