IggyChooChoo
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That would also have to go back to both chambers and pass.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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It says they are starting with the BCRA.
balladofwindfishes
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That's not what that quoted block says. It says they're putting up the BCRA with the Cruz amendment (the extra 100B), letting it fail, and then rebuilding the bill via amendments.
The BCRA with no addition Medicaid funding is DOA, they wouldn't start with that. Also the BCRA isn't a "skinny repeal"
They're crowdsourcing the bill via amendments. Probably McConnell's solution to all the bitter senators who were left out of the process.
BlastProcessing
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Grassley isn't fucking around is what happened.
@jdawsey1
Manafort has contemporaneous notes of tower meeting w/Russian lawyer and plans to share with Senate investigators.
It seems like Manafort was dangling these docs to get better treatment and Grassley's response was "I'll take the docs and treat you how I want to."
Joe Shlabotnik
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Manafort has absolutely no "play dumb" excuse for being in that meeting so he's pretty fucked.
I personally expect Paul Ryan to be President by this time next year. I believe Congress can Impeach multiple people simultaneously, so they can out both Trump and Pence to make sure they install someone who actually toes the party lines.
BoogieWoogie
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Rand Paul is now saying on Twitter that he's voting for MTP and that they'll be voting on just repealing the ACA entirely, as the BHCA couldn't pass 60 votes.
Our national book will move away from being the Bible to Atlas Shrugged and will be required reading for all teenagers.
RumbleHumble
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The latest string of tweets RE: Rand Paul's status:
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/889860464355811328
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R - Paul will be voting for the MTP today, but only vote for a "CLEAN" repeal of Obamacare beyond no "new spending or bailouts". He unfortunately doesn't clarify other than that he will absolutely vote for the 2015 repeal bill.
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/889860464355811328
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R - Paul will be voting for the MTP today, but only vote for a "CLEAN" repeal of Obamacare beyond no "new spending or bailouts". He unfortunately doesn't clarify other than that he will absolutely vote for the 2015 repeal bill.ShadowSwordmaster
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It's going back and forth with this now.
BoogieWoogie
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The latest string of tweets RE: Rand Paul's status:
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/889860464355811328
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There is absolutely no way a clean repeal passes.
RustyNails
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Where are the moderate darlings Heller and Murkowski? Heller thinks he can hide his head in the sand and everything will blow over.
benicillin
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Too many conflicting messages, I can't keep up with it. Time to have a nice cold pint and wait for all this to blow over.
Hopefully
Skinny repeal: the last-ditch idea to save the Senate health care bill, explained
Even dumber than I thought. They must be desperate.
Even dumber than I thought. They must be desperate.
Futurevoid
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There's your list. Rand Paul is now a definite yes for the MTP. Moran has stated he would vote yes as well. They can't lose two more of the people on this list or the MTP fails.
balladofwindfishes
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So let me get this straight
Rand Paul wants to repeal the ACA, but provide no actual funding to make sure 20% of our economy doesn't collapse overnight? And this is the ONLY bill he will vote on. The one that causes an economy crisis, along with a healthcare crisis, with nothing to actually make sure that doesn't happen, or at least lessens it.
Okay, that sounds reasonable
Rand Paul wants to repeal the ACA, but provide no actual funding to make sure 20% of our economy doesn't collapse overnight? And this is the ONLY bill he will vote on. The one that causes an economy crisis, along with a healthcare crisis, with nothing to actually make sure that doesn't happen, or at least lessens it.
Okay, that sounds reasonable
benicillin
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So basically they want to play hot potato with it and throw it back to the House.
VendettaRed07
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Don't worry he'll end up voting for something.
BlastProcessing
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That seems like the worst of both worlds for them. They have to stick their necks out for an on the record vote that and they don't get any of the tax reductions they want.
Futurevoid
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Pretty much what I said last night, yeah. They want to go into a conference committee with the House and try to hammer out a plan. Nevermind that a bulk of the Senate has already said the House version of the bill was untenable which is why they "started from scratch" on it.
He'll vote yes on the 2015 repeal bill. Guaranteed. He just wants to be on record as having voted for a full repeal and replace so he can keep his conservative/libertarian bonafides on the campaign trail...
Frank the Great
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Nah. He doesn't really want to repeal the ACA. He just wants to appear conservative. He's actually been pretty clever IMO.
Aaron Strife
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There's no way this "skinny repeal" flies under reconciliation. Have they even scored this option?
At this point they just want to pass something so they can say they passed something. Utterly foolish.
At this point they just want to pass something so they can say they passed something. Utterly foolish.
balladofwindfishes
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Ted Cruz is going to go on record voting to maintain funding for abortions
Okay
According to the article, they have some sort of estimate. 15 million off insurance in 10 years, and a very shaky future for the entire industry. Not known if it's deficit neutral.
I suspect you already know the answer to your question.
AntraxSuicide
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His political philosophy is insane, but he sticks to it. If 20% of the economy needs the government to succeed then it should all fail and collapse.
BlastProcessing
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Can the President of the Senate change the reconciliation rules?
RumbleHumble
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Explaining how Scaramucci plans to stop the leaking: "I'm going to fire everybody".
https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/889862183156424704
https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/889862183156424704
balladofwindfishes
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I don't really even understand here
They're going to make it Paul Ryan's problem again
He's going to just make the AHCA 2.0, since that's the only thing that can pass the House
It comes back to the McConnell again, but the same problems are still around and Paul, Collins, etc are nos.
It stutters in the senate, again
And... we're right back to square one?
If they just want to delay this thing forever, and move on, just do it, don't play ping pong with millions of people's healthcare like this.
They're going to make it Paul Ryan's problem again
He's going to just make the AHCA 2.0, since that's the only thing that can pass the House
It comes back to the McConnell again, but the same problems are still around and Paul, Collins, etc are nos.
It stutters in the senate, again
And... we're right back to square one?
If they just want to delay this thing forever, and move on, just do it, don't play ping pong with millions of people's healthcare like this.
RustyNails
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But voting for MTP is just as politically explosive as voting for repeal. How will that play out locally? "I voted to start conversation on straight repeal but that doesnt mean I was going to vote for the repeal!" Its not gonna fly.
benicillin
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ShadowSwordmaster
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Turns out the CBO has already scored repealing the individual mandate. They estimate that it would save $416 billion from 2018-2026
https://www.cbo.gov/budget-options/2016/52232
So that explains how "skinny repeal" complies with reconciliation rules.
https://www.cbo.gov/budget-options/2016/52232
So that explains how "skinny repeal" complies with reconciliation rules.
Aaron Strife
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They might as well just nuke the filibuster at that point.
balladofwindfishes
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RustyNails
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Lindsey Graham is against skinny repeal. What the fuck is turtle even doing.
BoogieWoogie
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Wait seriously? Link?
ShadowSwordmaster
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Seriously?
BlastProcessing
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RustyNails
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ShadowSwordmaster
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Damn.
benicillin
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I get the feeling McConnell is slowly losing control of his senate.
Officerrob
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Trump is going to fire him
benicillin
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Nothing like firing a guy who, by all accounts, has done his job exactly as the Republican Party would have wanted him to. This isn't a James Comey thing, Republicans LIKE Sessions and think he's doing a good job.
BlastProcessing
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Two things I have seen bandied about on twitter about this.
1. This leak hunt is more of a Chief of Staff thing than a Comms Director thing.
2. If you are concerned with leaks, the last thing you want to do is fire a bunch of people who have 6 months worth of ammo and now harbor a grudge.
Aaron Strife
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Has anyone seen McConnell yet today? How smiling is he?
balladofwindfishes
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It feels really anticlimatic that the end of medicaid as we know it, 25 million off insurance in 5 years and six months of work would end up as just crossing out a paragraph in the ACA that most people hated anyway.
I'm not even really sure to laugh at how embarrassing it is that this is what they promised for 7 years, or be relieved that the stakes have deflated down so much. 15 million off insurance in 10 years is still serious... but it's not 18 million off insurance by the end of the year.
Like the senate just collectively made a cartoon fart noise
I'm not even really sure to laugh at how embarrassing it is that this is what they promised for 7 years, or be relieved that the stakes have deflated down so much. 15 million off insurance in 10 years is still serious... but it's not 18 million off insurance by the end of the year.
Like the senate just collectively made a cartoon fart noise
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