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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair

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My mom pointed out that the interview snippets were all from Kenosha because they were definitely in town to get comments about Priebus as well and we're also Ryan's district and fuck it is never not weird how much my hometown matters on a national stage for the worst reasons
not on the same scale but Breitbart once did an article on the place I grew up in because it took in some Syrian refugees who were working in a yogurt plant and it made me kind of feel terrible

and then Alex Jones started also doing conspiracy shit about the place until they sued him and he had to apologize. It was weird as hell.
 

DrForester

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How strange, Assange is posting out of context quotes of documents to try and smear Mueller /s

https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/891666846071566338

They made the same post when Muller was appointed too.

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Alot of these mysteriously hard-Right conspiracy theorists are sweating bullets lately and/or mimicking RU talking points. It is just so strange!

My mom pointed out that the interview snippets were all from Kenosha because they were definitely in town to get comments about Priebus as well and we're also Ryan's district and fuck it is never not weird how much my hometown matters on a national stage for the worst reasons

It also isn't hard to notice alot of indirect attention is being put on Ryan lately.
 

Tamanon

Banned
I don't even understand this whole Russian uranium smear they keep attempting. What is it actually about?

The idea is to plant the idea that Mueller can also be tied to negative things with the Russians. A "There's no angels" defense.

It only works if it looks illicit, which is why Assange is presenting only one small portion of the story.
 

thefro

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And his approvals are strong. Combine that with midterm dynamics and while I'm not saying his seat is safe or anything, I would regard him as the favorite in that race.

I'd also add that the more "moderate" candidate, Luke Messer is a lobbyist who moved to DC (and sold his house, now is registered to vote in Indiana at his mom's house) when he got elected to Congress and his wife has a sketchy consulting deal with a yuppie suburb of Indianapolis outside his district where she gets paid big bucks.

Todd Rokita, the other rep is a hardcore Trump supporter.
 

royalan

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The idea is to plant the idea that Mueller can also be tied to negative things with the Russians. A "There's no angels" defense.

It only works if it looks illicit, which is why Assange is presenting only one small portion of the story.

Yep, we saw this last year with Clinton.

ANY contact she had with an international figure that could be linked to something controversial, either through her foundation or her stint as SoS, was isolated, decontextualized, and used to paint her as a corrupt beast of many tentacles.

And the media only feeds this in their drive to pad airtime by "asking questions."

It's a technique the right (and far left) is really good at. And its more effective the more time the victim has in government/politics.
 

Eidan

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Teggy

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10:24 AM · Jul 29, 2017

Someone pointed out on twitter that this reads kind of like it was written by someone for whom English is not their first language. I have to agree, it kind of reads like a DPRK tweet.
 

kirblar

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Haha, I know you don't mean anything by it, but referring to Obama's 2004 DNC speech as "this speech" kind of funny. This speech? It's the speech that launched Obama's national political career. It's probably the most impactful DNC speech of most of our lifetimes.
This is a "oh god we are old now" moment.
 
The one that always amazes me is that up until the 2010 midterms Democrats controlled the legislatures in Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. A bunch of those chambers flipped in the midterms and after the 2012 election, every one of them had flipped. It took a long time for people who were consistently voting Republican in presidential elections to do so in state legislative races as well.

So two things with this:
1) It's a message that you shouldn't give up on any race. Bill won the GOP stalwart of Vermont. The GOP looks to have really locked down Iowa. Etc... Any race can flip, any location can flip. Sometimes really really fast.

2) This is why I tune out any articles about Dems losing state control if it doesn't explicitly mention the fact that a lot of Dem states were actually "Dem states." Mississippi was controlled by "Dems" until 2011, but ain't nobody gonna say we were ever a progressive state. The flagship university has bullet holes in its main building from when people shot at our first black student! In the 60s! Any argument about the Democratic Party really needs to differentiate between the party today or the party of yesterday because there's actually a fairly large difference.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Yeah, there's a reason that anyone who takes Assange at his word is someone I consider not worth listening to. His agenda has been made clear over and over again and still some people think he's a crusader for transparency.

They don't really believe it. They just know that the out group who rejects it is mean to them and the in group that has doubled down on falsehood is welcoming and supportive. Penn state, lance armstrong etc. takes a long time to change their minds and most of them just want us to forget about the mistakes.
 
So two things with this:
1) It's a message that you shouldn't give up on any race. Bill won the GOP stalwart of Vermont. The GOP looks to have really locked down Iowa. Etc... Any race can flip, any location can flip. Sometimes really really fast.

2) This is why I tune out any articles about Dems losing state control if it doesn't explicitly mention the fact that a lot of Dem states were actually "Dem states." Mississippi was controlled by "Dems" until 2011, but ain't nobody gonna say we were ever a progressive state. The flagship university has bullet holes in its main building from when people shot at our first black student! In the 60s! Any argument about the Democratic Party really needs to differentiate between the party today or the party of yesterday because there's actually a fairly large difference.

Sometimes party dynamics change faster than individual voters' registrations. Before the Great Depression, Republicans had the reputation of being "out of touch coastal elites" who supported harebrained liberal causes such as civil rights; they could still credibly call themselves the party of Lincoln. Democrats, conversely, had the rural populism game
and racism
on lock. Those perceptions began to change throughout the '30s and '40s as Roosevelt extended some rights to African Americans (even though the New Deal excluded them from the really good stuff) and Truman desegregated the military. A schism developed in the Democratic Party between the liberals in the northeast and west and the old
racist
populists in the south, culminating in the realignment that occurred after the Civil Rights Act.

Some states remained nominally Democratic largely because of ancestral voting patterns. Their daddies and granddaddies voted Democratic, so why wouldn't they? As you say, though, you couldn't call those people flaming liberals; they'd basically become modern
racist
Republicans in everything but name due to the Southern Strategy. The opposite occurred in states such as Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, etc. Liberal Republicans who supported civil rights, they bristled at the Southern Strategy and rejected the new Republican party, at least ideologically. They subsequently began voting mostly Democratic at the federal level, as the Democratic Party now more closely reflected their liberal views. In fact, you could probably call H.W. Bush the last gasp of that moderate northeastern Republican Party. With Clinton's victory the change had been pretty much cemented. Some individuals retained the Republican label - Jim Jeffords, e.g. - but they could't be compared to the rabid conservatives in the south (who, remember, had previously been populist
racist
Democrats). Thus we see the current layout of Democrats dominating the northeast and west (and, until recently, the midwest) and Republicans ruling the south.

TL, DR: Most of the realignments can be attributed to Republicans' capitalizing upon the south's racism for political gain, and even though these changes may look "sudden," they only look that way because a lot of Democrats in the South voted and acted like modern Republicans but just never changed their party registration until recently.

Of course, you probably know everything I just wrote, but I felt like wasting time.

I might've just sounded the benji alarm.
 

kess

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Vermont has a Republican governor right now, so the state party still maintains some sway. The column of midwestern states from Kansas to North Dakota have also been reliably Republican with few exceptions since the Civil War, although they too have had progressive traditions (Bank of North Dakota, universal suffrage, Sen. George Norris).

It runs the other way as well. Rural New Mexico has been Democratic for ages and until very recently, the Republican party still had the reputation of the party of Pinkertons and Big Business in Luzerne and Lackawanna counties in Pennsylvania.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
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Trump is the political version of a pickup artist, and Republicans — and America — went to bed with him convinced that he was something other than what he is. Trump inherited his fortune but describes himself as though he were a self-made man. We did not elect Donald Trump; we elected the character he plays on television.

He has had a middling career in real estate and a poor one as a hotelier and casino operator but convinced people he is a titan of industry. He has never managed a large, complex corporate enterprise, but he did play an executive on a reality show. He presents himself as a confident ladies’ man but is so insecure that he invented an imaginary friend to lie to the New York press about his love life and is now married to a woman who is open and blasé about the fact that she married him for his money. He fixates on certain words (“negotiator”) and certain classes of words (mainly adjectives and adverbs, “bigly,” “major,” “world-class,” “top,” and superlatives), but he isn’t much of a negotiator, manager, or leader. He cannot negotiate a health-care deal among members of a party desperate for one, can’t manage his own factionalized and leak-ridden White House, and cannot lead a political movement that aspires to anything greater than the service of his own pathetic vanity.
It's not a super long piece, but to give the proper context would involve quoting the majority of the article. It's an amusing, if not particularly original, take on Trump jumping off of Glengarry Glen Ross and the incredibly misguided worship certain types of men give to the Blake character from the film.
 
Vermont has a Republican governor right now, so the state party still maintains some sway. The column of midwestern states from Kansas to North Dakota have also been reliably Republican with few exceptions since the Civil War, although they too have had progressive traditions (Bank of North Dakota, universal suffrage, Sen. George Norris).

It runs the other way as well. Rural New Mexico has been Democratic for ages and until very recently, the Republican party still had the reputation of the party of Pinkertons and Big Business in Luzerne and Lackawanna counties in Pennsylvania.

Upper midwest, I should've said (MI, WI).

And as Charlie Baker and Phil Scott show, sometimes that moderate Republicanism still wins at the state level.
 

UberTag

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10:24 AM · Jul 29, 2017
Someone pointed out on twitter that this reads kind of like it was written by someone for whom English is not their first language. I have to agree, it kind of reads like a DPRK tweet.
Only makes sense for Trump to outsource some of the more menial social engineering tasks of the U.S. government to his Russian friends given how understaffed the State Department is right now. He's just being efficient.

We're going to be well into next year hearing about Tillerson went out for smokes and lotto tickets, and he's expected back any minute now.
He's just like Nelson's dad. This amuses me.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Jill Stein is on MSNBC speaking out against the THAAD missile system BECAUSE THE RADAR GIVES SOUTH KOREANS CANCER.
 
Let's be honest here - those Southern legislatures were gone the moment Obama was nominated. If you're a rural Southern legislator, you can pull off being a Democrat, as long as you're relatively pro-life, pro-gun, anti-gay marriage, etc. as long as you brought pork to your district and could avoid being connected to well to the national Democratic party.

You can successfully do that with an Al Gore or John Kerry. Not so much with the Muslim Communist Nazi being put on GOP ads with you.
 

kirblar

Member
Let's be honest here - those Southern legislatures were gone the moment Obama was nominated. If you're a rural Southern legislator, you can pull off being a Democrat, as long as you're relatively pro-life, pro-gun, anti-gay marriage, etc. as long as you brought pork to your district and could avoid being connected to well to the national Democratic party.

You can successfully do that with an Al Gore or John Kerry. Not so much with the Muslim Communist Nazi being put on GOP ads with you.
Didn't even require Obama, DDD and RRR energize the opposite party and you're going to face severe losses in the next midterm.
 
Didn't even require Obama, DDD and RRR energize the opposite party and you're going to face severe losses in the next midterm.

Well, yeah, but would a President Hillary in 2009/10 have produced a monstrosity like the Tea Party, which had an undeniably racist/xenophobic underpinning? I doubt it. We might've had massive losses, but the magnitude of those losses - as well as the tone of the entire 2010 midterms - wouldn't have been as severe without the racism.
 

Hopfrog

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Don't want to go too far into tin-foil hat territory, but I would be interested in seeing the thread pulled a bit more on Stein and her Russia connections. I doubt there was any sort of direct collusion, but she is awfully friendly to Russia, and if you took the majority of her votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania and give them to Hillary then it would have made up the difference in those states (and yes, I know it is not that simple, but indulge me for a moment). Would have definitely been in the interest of the Russians to help prop her up.

Or she is just a bit out there.
 

kirblar

Member
Well, yeah, but would a President Hillary in 2009/10 have produced a monstrosity like the Tea Party, which had an undeniably racist/xenophobic underpinning? I doubt it. We might've had massive losses, but the magnitude of those losses - as well as the tone of the entire 2010 midterms - wouldn't have been as severe without the racism.
Yeah, Hillary '08 is a really interesting "what if" because she has a lot of very different upsides/downsides than Obama did. Does she just nuke the fillibuster because we never get to a supermajority?
Don't want to go too far into tin-foil hat territory, but I would be interested in seeing the thread pulled a bit more on Stein and her Russia connections. I doubt there was any sort of direct collusion, but she is awfully friendly to Russia, and if you took the majority of her votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania and give them to Hillary then it would have made up the difference in those states. Would have definitely been in the interest of the Russians to help prop her up.

Or she is just a bit out there.
(there's like 0 chance there's no direct collusion if you're going to RT state dinners.)
 
Don't want to go too far into tin-foil hat territory, but I would be interested in seeing the thread pulled a bit more on Stein and her Russia connections. I doubt there was any sort of direct collusion, but she is awfully friendly to Russia, and if you took the majority of her votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania and give them to Hillary then it would have made up the difference in those states (and yes, I know it is not that simple, but indulge me for a moment). Would have definitely been in the interest of the Russians to help prop her up.

Or she is just a bit out there.

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