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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair

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Pixieking

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I would not both sides it, it's primarily one side.

Clever girl. :p

Whilst both sides do do it, from what I can see the Hillary side is mostly just fucking pissed that Bernie and the far left didn't do enough against Trump, whilst the Bernie side is just whining about how he would've won against Turmp. So, yeah, not really equivalent.
 

Slizeezyc

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Idk man. Both are pretty annoying right now.

I probably contribute to it but I try to bow out if I catch myself sounding too much like El_Tigre

That both still talk about it is sort of adorable. But how they still feel feelings for something that doesn't matter anymore is sort of sad as well.

I've enjoyed not clicking on any of those threads for months.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I had never heard of colonias till you posted this, I just looked them up....that's some fucking third world shit going on in the USA.

I've never heard of them either, but logically it makes sense they would exist.

It's really difficult to function in society without an official identity. And if you don't have the social connections (such as family) to make up for significant shortcomings of not having a SS#, you end up doing one of the few other things possible.

So, basically our immigration policy is making a second class of people.
 

NeoXChaos

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Clever girl. :p

Whilst both sides do do it, from what I can see the Hillary side is mostly just fucking pissed that Bernie and the far left didn't do enough against Trump, whilst the Bernie side is just whining about how he would've won against Turmp. So, yeah, not really equivalent.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=246928358&postcount=215

"Black voters in the South should not count the same as votes elsewhere" "DNC (Black voters) are to blame for Hillary. They helped rigged the primary for her by giving her 4 million more votes than Bernie"

That is basically what I'm getting verbatim from some folks. Infuriating.
 

kirblar

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Pixieking

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=246928358&postcount=215

"Black voters in the South should not count the same as votes elsewhere" "DNC (Black voters) are to blame for Hillary. They helped rigged the primary for her by giving her 4 million more votes than Bernie"

That is basically what I'm getting verbatim from some folks. Infuriating.

Ohmygod...

I had a look at that post you linked to, clicked through to the thread. Saw "Bernie would've won." Makes me bloody weep for the future.
 
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=246928358&postcount=215

"Black voters in the South should not count the same as votes elsewhere" "DNC (Black voters) are to blame for Hillary. They helped rigged the primary for her by giving her 4 million more votes than Bernie"

That is basically what I'm getting verbatim from some folks. Infuriating.
It's funny because they already do weigh blue states more heavily, they get extra delegates if they voted Democratic in the last election.

Funny how it's only ever red states that voted for Clinton that are brought up as the problem. Oklahoma, Utah, Kansas, Montana, Sanders baby!
 
ShironRedshift looked into those "Most popular politican" polls.

If you have avoided that "Thread" at least check that out.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=246931472&postcount=307

Gotta love the way the Media abuses polling to make better headlines.
So... you're saying we need to prep Juan Bahama? I'm in. If we could fake all those documents and a history for one dude and make him president doing it again for an identical person should be easy! That mustache is going to fool everyone.
 

FyreWulff

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I had never heard of colonias till you posted this, I just looked them up....that's some fucking third world shit going on in the USA.

US has a lot of this shit we like to throw under the rug. You should read up on doctors trying to help out communities in West Virginia and the like - they'll often set up their triage center on the nearest paved highway and treat patients there due to the lack of healthcare options, insurance, etc.

Or look at this shit from Virginia:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/21/free-health-clinic-virginia-washington-dithers-health-care/
 

pigeon

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Wow don't come into this thread to rehearse arguments from a thread that literally got closed because of the dumb arguments in it
 
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Deleted member 231381

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Wow don't come into this thread to rehearse arguments from a thread that literally got closed because of the dumb arguments in it

It's the most popular national political argument in America.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
So... you're saying we need to prep Juan Bahama? I'm in. If we could fake all those documents and a history for one dude and make him president doing it again for an identical person should be easy! That mustache is going to fool everyone.

Exactly!

Who is going to believe the argument that a candidate's birth certificate is faked, again?
 
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Deleted member 231381

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I mean the fact that Pence came in second caused me to basically ignore it completely as something useful

Your tag says card-carrying scientist, but you seem content to cherry-pick data?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/mike-pence-favorable-rating
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/elizabeth-warren-favorable-rating
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/bernie-sanders-favorable-rating
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/nancy-pelosi-favorable-rating
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/chuck-schumer-favorable-rating
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/mitch-mcconnell-favorable-rating

You can see that Pence is indeed the most popular politician they asked about after Sanders. It's not a one-off statistical fluke. Pence's net approval rating is about 0 averaged across multiple polls, which is... surprisingly good in modern American due to the partisan effect. Almost all Democrats either in office or actively campaigning for office with a national profile are less popular than Pence. That includes Warren, that includes Pelosi, and we don't know Harris' or Booker's favourables but extrapolating from their 2020 numbers almost certainly includes them.

Of course, you can argue that this is just a temporary snapshot and that in a campaign scenario, when people came to know Warren a little better (her Don't Knows are higher than Pence), she'd be better received than Pence. Sure. But as it stands, people approve of Pence more than they do most Democrats who are active politicians. The exception is... Senator Sanders.
 
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Early chicken fucking, per usual

WE'VE DONE SO MUCH BUT DEMS OBSTRUCT!
 
What do you guys think are the chances that they get this wall funded? Morning Joe is saying they wont get any democrats to vote for it.

There's WAYYYYYY more hurdles to the wall than just funding. Hurdles nobody wants to cross because they're unpopular.

Stuff like using generous amount of eminent domain, stealing native american reserve land and repealing the endangered species act.
 
There's WAYYYYYY more hurdles to the wall than just funding. Hurdles nobody wants to cross because they're unpopular.

Stuff like using generous amount of eminent domain, stealing native american reserve land and repealing the endangered species act.

Not to mention the Herculean task of moving material and equipment into unhospitable land. Hell, it'll be at least a year of surveying before they could start and work
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Your tag says card-carrying scientist, but you seem content to cherry-pick data?
Sorry it was late and that comment was flippant. I wasn't arguing that Pence was actually unpopular, I was saying that if Pence is the second most popular politician we should consider how useful a metric like "popularity" is for making political arguments, i.e "Sanders is popular therefore people would have supported the progressive candidate", etc etc
 
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Deleted member 231381

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Sorry it was late and that comment was flippant. I wasn't arguing that Pence was actually unpopular, I was saying that if Pence is the second most popular politician we should consider how useful a metric like "popularity" is for making political arguments, i.e "Sanders is popular therefore people would have supported the progressive candidate", etc etc

If we'd paid attention to the popularity ratings of Democratic politicians, there's good chances that Trump would not be president right now. There's at least a reasonable argument that Pence is the next favourite to be the Republican presidential nominee; I don't think this is something you should ignore.
 

Ernest

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There's WAYYYYYY more hurdles to the wall than just funding. Hurdles nobody wants to cross because they're unpopular.

Stuff like using generous amount of eminent domain, stealing native american reserve land and repealing the endangered species act.
Not to mention the Herculean task of moving material and equipment into unhospitable land. Hell, it'll be at least a year of surveying before they could start and work
Building and maintaining a wall will be impossible.

I still haven't heard an explanation about what the plans are when the wall reaches the Rio Grande.

That's because he Wall cannot be built in the Rio Grande due to international law.

So it will have to be built inland from the river. Which in the vast majority of Texas means taking land from private AMERICAN citizens. This would be forced through eminent domain. With zero recourse by the owner.

How do I know this? We all ready have a "Wall". Mainly a fence. And it had to do just that.

For one family it split their farm in half. So the Feds put in a gate for them with a security code. Yes, that's right the owners would go thru a gate to get to the rest of their land. And when they had a fire? The fire department could not get/find them.

Currently there is a golf course on the other side of the fence (but this side of the river). People play it all the time.

Building a wall is such a fucking joke. An embarrassment that would do nothing but spend money.

And there is evidence that building a more secure border wall will INCREASE illegal immigration here. Why? Often illegals come here for a bit to work, earn some money and go back to Mexico to be with family. If it is harder to get back here, they could decide to stay.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/04/us/eminent-domain-us-mexico-border-loop-family/index.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/516000/

Let's say a wall does get built... since it'll be a physical manifestation of Trump's idiot policies, it is going to be attacked mercilessly. Maintenance estimates for the wall are at around $100 to 200 million a year, but you know full well, if it gets built, American citizens will be trying to bulldoze that fucking wall any way they can, mostly as a "fuck you" to Trump, and there's no way the entire length can be monitored. It will have to be under constant maintenance and upkeep.

And I'm sure you've all seen it, but here's Oliver's take on it again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI
 
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