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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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Autodidact
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If only Paul Ryan hadn't nixed Barbara Lee's amendent...
Veritigo_X
Member
Just fucking ask her. She's worthless anyway.
I'm an incrementalist
Big Baybee
Member
So I'm guessing they stopped asking her then?
skullmuffins
Banned
no, they still asked more questions about trans policy
RumbleHumble
Banned
Still no mending of the rift between Trump and Sessions according to Sanders:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/trump-sessions-tweet/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/trump-sessions-tweet/index.html
I think Gillibrand has a bit less baggage than Kamala Harris (former prison labor advocate, very troubling history with Mnuchin) but I'm also less familiar with her background. Jacobin is critical of her right-leaning background, but they have a longer memory and a more zealous outlook than most far-left Americans. Hillary's background of supporting the Iraq War and Defence of Marriage Act was a lot less important than her apparently current disinterest in seriously helping struggling youth and rust belt voters.
There are really two big types of radical lefties, those who say they will never vote for a Democrat and those who will vote for any Democrat to stop the GOP. For some people like my friend Sapphira, a vote for any democrat is a concession to capitalism and right-wing politics. But the vast majority of folks who have the rose emoji on twitter or marched against Trump are much more pragmatic. If Harris or Gillibrand make meaningful overtures toward pacifism and working class interests, they will vote for them. I like to think that Trump can't win a second term because he is an unambiguously horrible president, but if the Dems in 2020 can't turn out enough more young people, he could very possibly win.
What makes me hopeful is that both Gillibrand and Harris have been deliberately moving to the left over the past year or so. This could really make a difference.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Trump somehow pulling off a second win would be such a travesty. Dude can't even stay above 40% approval and he's only been president for six months. If he does win again it's probably another PV/EC split too.
FU....KIN....HELL!!!!
Imagine if this bozo was in charge during the Cuban Missile Crisis.....and Twitter existed. The Soviets would have launched their nukes after the first tweet. Clown!
BoogieWoogie
Banned
"Dear Lisa,
Things are not good. My country is being overrun by THE BENEVOLENT PRESIDENT TRUMP! ALL HAIL TRUMP AND HIS GLORIOUS NEW REGIME!
SINCERELY,
LITTLE PICKLE"
Things are not good. My country is being overrun by THE BENEVOLENT PRESIDENT TRUMP! ALL HAIL TRUMP AND HIS GLORIOUS NEW REGIME!
SINCERELY,
LITTLE PICKLE"
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Deleted member 1159
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That buzzfeed excerpt is legt terrifying, legitimizing my fears this morning
Host Samurai
Member
Again bragging with his only fucking win
I've decided to take this route: You're not voting for the person, you're voting for the party.
Then, whip out this .
Which party do you align with? If you're a decent person with a fully functioning brain, the answer should be obvious.
whyamihere
Banned
literal LGBT icon speaks from her throne room
@SenatorHeitkamp
We need to honor -not shame- the men/women who serve our country. The president banning transgender Americans from serving is upsetting
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Reporter shouted a question at Trump about transgender military ban when he finished speech to kids. Trump glares, says "she's very rude."
https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/890292099127672834
This fucking guy.
https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/890292099127672834
This fucking guy.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Oh God he's talking to more kids? Keep him away from children for fuck sake.
Futurevoid
Member
They're not talking about healthcare or Russia. That's all that matters...
aspiegamer
Member
With the most catastrophically terrible outcomes seemingly averted, the media seems happy to be distracted away from health care by all the other freaking crazy shit happening at the same time. I barely know what the state of things are and I'm a complete political junkie. Heath care should still be the top story, but it's impossible to stay focused on it.
Yup yup yup.
I don't know how I am going to go explaining Trump to my kids.
"Sorry kids, humanity was a mistake."
Fenderputty
Banned
That was what I was thinking
Right, like I said. Dems don't have any real socialists because they didn't know they'd need one. So they're retrofitting their candidates as fast as they can and the question is whether one of them can get the Bernie supporters, in which case they'll win the primary. If Gillibrand gets them she wins.
I prefer Kamala because she has a better record on social justice issues but obviously the people you're talking about don't care about that lol. Otherwise I don't care that much, most of the 2020 candidates seem fine to me, so it depends on what the difficult people choose.
Abinash117
Member
Until more news drop....
Why does the administration thinks they are smarter than everyone else?
Especially given his comments at his Ohio rally yesterday. He is literally a public danger.
Greigor The Fellhand
Member
whats happening at 5?
GoldenEye 007
Member
Yes, people can't focus on more than one thing at once. We'll all just forget about healthcare and Russia.
lol
lol
RumbleHumble
Banned
People hoping for more oppo droppo. People forget the Oppo comes when you least expect it.
We are hoping more oppo droppos.
Greigor The Fellhand
Member
oppos tend to be friday, sunday =/
benicillin
Banned
The question about the 2020 primary is how the Democratic party will "fracture." The front-runners will be the people from the current crop of contenders who can become the "face" of each faction.
First, speculated contenders (discounting celebrity candidates like Ron Perlman, The Rock possibly, or Zuck)
1) Bernie Sanders 2) Elizabeth Warren 3) Kristen Gillibrand 4) Andrew Cuomo 5) Cory Booker 6) Joe Biden 7) Terry McAuliffe 8) Sherrod Brown 9) Amy Klobuchar 10) Al Franken 11) Mitch Landrieu 12) Julian Castro 13) Kamala Harris
Obama v Clinton in 2008 was a sort of "Old/New" fracture, with Clinton having senior citizens, moderate supporters of Bill's administration, and the white working class/trade unionists on her side, the old base of the party, while Obama had the young, activists, cosmopolitans, and minorities, and repped the future of the party.
Clinton v Sanders the fault line was Social vs Economic issues, Clinton social and Sanders economic, and the people who valued social issues more (feminists, moderates, older black people, cosmopolitans) against people who valued economic issues (white working class, young across racial groups, activists, other minorities).
The factions determine who the front runners will be, because you won't see more than one champion per faction. Look back at the GOP 2016 primary: Jindal, Huckabee, and Cruz all repped hard-right, religious tea party types, but only Cruz floated to the top. Kasich, Pataki, and Gilmore were all moderates but only Kasich floated to the top.
So how do each of the contenders try to sell themselves?
6) Biden, 4) Cuomo, 7) McAuliffe, and 5) Booker would represent Clinton-style moderates. Economically moderate, socially liberal, so if all three run, only one will last up to Super Tuesday.
1) Sanders 2) Warren 8) Brown 9) Klobuchar and 10) Franken represent the economic issues and the working class base, so you'll likely see only one of these 5 make it.
3) Gillibrand 11) Landrieu 12) Castro and 13) Harris seem to be casting themselves as "progressives." They bridge the gap between class/social issues of the first two groups and are more aggressive on social issues than the top 4. So you see one of those 4 creep up.
So you look at who you think is the strongest of those three categories to see what the matchup is. Then you look at the strongest of the three who emerge as who will be the final matchup.
My point: you're unlikely to see a protracted "Harris v Gillibrand" or "Biden v Booker" primary. It's more likely something like "Booker v Klobuchar v Castro" primary.
First, speculated contenders (discounting celebrity candidates like Ron Perlman, The Rock possibly, or Zuck)
1) Bernie Sanders 2) Elizabeth Warren 3) Kristen Gillibrand 4) Andrew Cuomo 5) Cory Booker 6) Joe Biden 7) Terry McAuliffe 8) Sherrod Brown 9) Amy Klobuchar 10) Al Franken 11) Mitch Landrieu 12) Julian Castro 13) Kamala Harris
Obama v Clinton in 2008 was a sort of "Old/New" fracture, with Clinton having senior citizens, moderate supporters of Bill's administration, and the white working class/trade unionists on her side, the old base of the party, while Obama had the young, activists, cosmopolitans, and minorities, and repped the future of the party.
Clinton v Sanders the fault line was Social vs Economic issues, Clinton social and Sanders economic, and the people who valued social issues more (feminists, moderates, older black people, cosmopolitans) against people who valued economic issues (white working class, young across racial groups, activists, other minorities).
The factions determine who the front runners will be, because you won't see more than one champion per faction. Look back at the GOP 2016 primary: Jindal, Huckabee, and Cruz all repped hard-right, religious tea party types, but only Cruz floated to the top. Kasich, Pataki, and Gilmore were all moderates but only Kasich floated to the top.
So how do each of the contenders try to sell themselves?
6) Biden, 4) Cuomo, 7) McAuliffe, and 5) Booker would represent Clinton-style moderates. Economically moderate, socially liberal, so if all three run, only one will last up to Super Tuesday.
1) Sanders 2) Warren 8) Brown 9) Klobuchar and 10) Franken represent the economic issues and the working class base, so you'll likely see only one of these 5 make it.
3) Gillibrand 11) Landrieu 12) Castro and 13) Harris seem to be casting themselves as "progressives." They bridge the gap between class/social issues of the first two groups and are more aggressive on social issues than the top 4. So you see one of those 4 creep up.
So you look at who you think is the strongest of those three categories to see what the matchup is. Then you look at the strongest of the three who emerge as who will be the final matchup.
My point: you're unlikely to see a protracted "Harris v Gillibrand" or "Biden v Booker" primary. It's more likely something like "Booker v Klobuchar v Castro" primary.
Wow, this is something.
The GOP wanted to remove military funding for sexual reassignment surgery. They tried to get it as an amendment to a spending bill and it lost a vote in the House. They then tried to revive it and went to Mattis, who said the Pentagon would have to research the issue before changing any policies. So they circumvented Mattis and went to Trump, who jumped from no funding for surgeries to no trans people in the military at all.
And I'm certain Trump has researched this issue as deeply as he has
Fenderputty
Banned
Standard oppo droppo time
How long do these "distractions" ever last? A day?
If Trump really wants to get people to stop talking about healthcare or Russia for the long long term, he'll have to, I don't know, bring back slavery.
Autodidact
Banned
Murkowski is not the one to trifle with.
What the fuck does that even mean?
AntraxSuicide
Banned
The distractions are also terrible on their own, so it's a bit like killing your neighbor on the left to distract people from you killing the neighbor on your right.
Tell them that it's always party over country and to fall in line, essentially.
It's a southern saying, generally. But normally we say jerk a knot as opposed to snatch in my family.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
he thinks somebody should hit her, there's a definition in the comments
Big surprise - Eric Cantor admits that the GOP didn't believe it's own anti-ACA rhetoric, but had to come out against it in order to appeal to their base.
Fuck. What do you even do with this shit?
Fuck. What do you even do with this shit?
Autodidact
Banned
The pig inseminator disagrees with Trump?
my god
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
Does the Trump administration think Mueller just folds up the Russia investigation if it doesn't get media coverage?
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