PoliGAF Debate #3 Thread of Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plunger in your hand

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MadOdorMachine said:
I've tried to stay out of these threads because I don't plan on voting for either of the candidates, but don't you think it's a little early to say Obama has this wrapped up? It's entirely possible and not out of the realm of possibility that McCain could come back and win. By the way, I'm basing this on this article that is the main story on Drudge Report:http://cbs2chicago.com/local/obama.election.night.2.841341.html
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you should get correctly informed though, and go vote.
 
Nameless said:
Joe the Plumber said last night on CBS, something like: "[Who a man votes for is private and should be left between that man, the voters booth, and God"]"

Hes so voting McCain! But seriously, having said that, if he comes out and represents a candidate than someone likely than something fishy is going on. There is no doubt in my mind the McCain camp will try to get him on their side.
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Nope, he's not registered to vote! :lol
 
sleeping_dragon said:
This is getting stupid, let me just make this clear, there is no country in the world that is stupid enough to tax a business's revenue, they only tax the PROFIT. I thought the American people are smarter than this, after all they have the best Universities in the world.
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The problem is that Obama said REVENUE when he started his conversation with Joe. That is the confusion, and everyone is running with it.
 
"Gas prices are on average $3.25/gal..."

MSNBC dumwit: "Isn't that great?"

No you dolt.

MSNBC dumwit: "I was driving around with my daughter, and we went, 'wow, look at the price of gas!' and we were so excited."

WTF WOMAN. Why are you cheering $3.25/gal? Cheer when it's $2.25/gal!
 
Guys guys guys!

Impeding ownage coming! Tucker Bounds to appear on MSNBC in a few minutes!
 
sangreal said:
Hmm... RedState had (another) big front-page post this morning saying that McCain was done and they should focus on the congressional races. It's gone now... I guess the plumber Joe media frenzy is giving them hope
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Here is the link to the story (removed from the front page): http://www.redstate.com/diaries/brad_smith/2008/oct/16/time-to-get-real-and-save-the-senate/

Entertaining comments

Lovely remark, wennejunk. I, too, have sent prayers up daily that God would raise up the right leader to protect and guard America from destruction both from without and especially from within.

Didn't think I would also have to ask Him for help in guarding us from our own supposed "supporters." Will add them to the list.
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MadOdorMachine said:
I've tried to stay out of these threads because I don't plan on voting for either of the candidates, but don't you think it's a little early to say Obama has this wrapped up? It's entirely possible and not out of the realm of possibility that McCain could come back and win. By the way, I'm basing this on this article that is the main story on Drudge Report:http://cbs2chicago.com/local/obama.election.night.2.841341.html
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All candidates throw a party whether they win or lose. The only difference is whether they give a victory or concession speech at the party. Drudge is just trying to play it up as a premature victory party.
 
AHAHA.

MSNBC is smacking Tucker Bounds with that strategy memo about their internal focus group.

"Do you have to concede that Obama's healthcare plan is being favored by the public more than McCain's?"

Bounds: "I have to concede that the media has been biased in representing Obama's healthcare plan in his favor."

:lol :lol :lol

Bounds: "That is another area where Obama is being dishonest about representing his healthcare plan, among other things."

This guy is eating bullshit but tasting steak.
 
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/joe-the-plumber.html

The saga of joe continues!

ABC News' Chris Bury is outside Toledo, near the home of Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, aka "Joe the Plumber," and reports that Wurzelbacher -- such a key part of Sen. John McCain's critique of Sen. Barack Obama's economic proposals -- acknowledged that he wants to purchase the plumbing business for $250-280,000, not that he would net that much in profits.

He would make much less, he said.

Which would seem to indicate that he would be eligible for an Obama tax cut, not that he would be subject to the tax increase from 36% to 39% Obama would impose on those making more than $200,000 per person, or $250,000 per family.

Wurzelbacher this morning told ABC News' Diane Sawyer that he was talking about, in Diane's words, the prospect, the hope that someday he would make $250,000.
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Joe is an idiot.
 
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol !!!!

Tucker Bounds: "I think this election is closer than most polls represent."

AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
 
reilo said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol !!!!

Tucker Bounds: "I think this election is closer than most polls represent."

AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Never change Tucker Bounds. :lol :lol
 
XxenobladerxX said:
Joe The Plumber '08!

Quite down reilo,jesus
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Have you ever watched Tucker Bounds on TV? He's like a lovable Sean Hannity without the bigotry.
 
From a comment on Huff . . .

Joe the Plumber's plumbing license EXPIRED in 2002.

Hard to BE a plumber with an EXPIRED LICENSE!

Go to the below link & type in Joe's last name "Wurzelbacher" & find out how many Wurzelbacher's WERE and ARE licensed as a plumber in Ohio ...
http://elicense1-lookup.com.ohio.gov/SearchCriteria.asp

You"ll need to type in:
Board: Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board
Last Name: Wurzelbacher
State: Ohio

Results: the ONLY Wurzelbacher is Lawrence NOT JOE (must be Joe's first name) and Wurzelbacher's license EXPIRED in 2002.

So Joe isn't registered to vote AND Joe is NOT a licensed plumber
 
A surprisingly good column from Joe Klein.

Pundits tend to be a lagging indicator. This is particularly true at the end of a political pendulum swing. We've been conditioned by thirty years of certain arguments working--and John McCain made most of them last night against Barack Obama: you're going to raise our taxes, you're going to spend more money, you want to negotiate with bad guys, you're associated somehow--the associations have gotten more tenuous over time--with countercultural and unAmerican activities.

Again, these arguments have "worked" for a long time. The Democrats who got themselves elected President during most of my career were those most successful at playing defense: No, no, I'm not going to do any of those things! And so the first reaction of more than a few talking heads last night was that McCain had done better, maybe even won, because he had made those arguments more successfully than he had in the first two debates. I disagreed, even before the focus groups and snap polls rendered their verdict: I thought McCain was near-incomprehensible when talking about policy, locked in the coffin of conservative thinking and punditry. He spoke in Reagan-era shorthand. He thought that merely invoking the magic words "spread the wealth" and "class warfare" he could neutralize Obama.

But those words and phrases seem anachronistic, almost vestigial now. Indeed, they have become every bit as toxic as Democratic social activist proposals--government-regulated and subsidized health care, for example--used to be. We have had 30 years of class warfare, in which the wealthy strip-mined the middle class. The wealth has been "spread" upward. The era when Democrats could only elect Presidents from the south, who essentially promised to take the harsh edge off of conservatism, is over. Barack Obama is the most unapologetic advocate of government activism since Lyndon Johnson--which is not to say that his brand of activism will be the same as Johnson's (we've learned a lot about the perils of bureacracy and the value of market incentives since then)--and he seems to be giving the public exactly what it wants this year. Who knows? Maybe even the word "liberal" can now be uttered in mixed company again.

Journalism is, naturally, about the past. We are much better at reporting things that have happened than in predicting the future. We never seem so foolish or obnoxious, especially on TV, as when we accede to the constant demand for crystal-balling. But the obvious danger inherent in journalism is that we tend to get trapped in the assumptions of the past. Too often this year, my colleagues--especially those who are older than me, but also my fellow baby boomers--have seemed a bit moldy in our questioning of politicians: What are you going to do about budget deficits? What are you going to do about entitlement programs?

These are valid questions, but less relevant in a financial crisis that will probably lead to a severe recession--and especially after 30 years of government neglect of its basic responsibilities. We need to spend money now to create jobs, to keep up with the rest of the world on alternative energy and high-tech infrastructure...Oh, and by the way, if government activism is now back on the table, we can begin to talk about the real answers to our entitlement problems: Medicare and medicaid can only be solved when they're included in a comprehensive, regulated and managed universal health insurance system.

The point is, this is a very good year to be Senator Government. Ronald Reagan used to say that the most frightening nine words in the English language were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." That is no longer true. This year, the most frightening eight words are "I'm John McCain and I approved this message."
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Bottom line: The public wants big government. Grover Norquist, Ron Paul, and the rest of the starve-the-beasters and hardline libertarians can cry me a fucking river.
 
JCreasy said:
From a comment on Huff . . .

Joe the Plumber's plumbing license EXPIRED in 2002.

Hard to BE a plumber with an EXPIRED LICENSE!

Go to the below link & type in Joe's last name "Wurzelbacher" & find out how many Wurzelbacher's WERE and ARE licensed as a plumber in Ohio ...
http://elicense1-lookup.com.ohio.gov/SearchCriteria.asp

You"ll need to type in:
Board: Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board
Last Name: Wurzelbacher
State: Ohio

Results: the ONLY Wurzelbacher is Lawrence NOT JOE (must be Joe's first name) and Wurzelbacher's license EXPIRED in 2002.

So Joe isn't registered to vote AND Joe is NOT a licensed plumber
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Vindicated! :lol :lol
 
Fireblend said:
you should get correctly informed though, and go vote.
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I am informed which is why I'm not voting for either one. Even if McCain is planning a party, he's not advertising it. I'm just saying, to me it seems Obama is acting like he's already won. I'm not just saying that based on this one event, but from his behavior over the last couple of weeks. I'm just saying to all of you Obama supporters, that it isn't over yet. A lot can happen in three weeks. That's all I was trying to say.
 
Father_Brain said:
A surprisingly good column from Joe Klein.



Bottom line: The public wants big government. Grover Norquist, Ron Paul, and the rest of the starve-the-beasters and hardline libertarians can cry me a fucking river.
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But those words and phrases seem anachronistic, almost vestigial now. Indeed, they have become every bit as toxic as Democratic social activist proposals--government-regulated and subsidized health care, for example--used to be. We have had 30 years of class warfare, in which the wealthy strip-mined the middle class. The wealth has been "spread" upward.
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That pretty much sums it up.
 
Joe Plumber Dude said:
That's wrong. Because you're successful, you have to pay more than everybody else? We all live in this country. It's a basic right. And Obama wants to take that basic right and penalize me for it, is what it comes down to. That's a very socialist view and it's incredibly wrong. I mean, $250,000 now. What if he decides, well you know $150,000, you're pretty rich too. Let's go ahead and lower it again. You know it's a slippery slope. When's it going to stop?"
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Does his dude not know that a tax bracket already exists?
 
Father_Brain said:
Bottom line: The public wants big government. Grover Norquist, Ron Paul, and the rest of the starve-the-beasters and hardline libertarians can cry me a fucking river.
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Fuck "the public" then. The Constitution protects our republic against that sort of nonsense.
 
MadOdorMachine said:
I am informed which is why I'm not voting for either one. Even if McCain is planning a party, he's not advertising it. I'm just saying, to me it seems Obama is acting like he's already won. I'm not just saying that based on this one event, but from his behavior over the last couple of weeks. I'm just saying to all of you Obama supporters, that it isn't over yet. A lot can happen in three weeks. That's all I was trying to say.
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BOTH of them will have big rallies. It's about 18 days from happening. Even if they are going to lose, they will have a huge event.

The DNC event at the football stadium took about 2 months to plan, so it's not an unreasonable for them to start planning.

Have you informed yourself enough to read the article? It's basically a event-planning gossip, discussing negotiations with the city and park district. That's not really advertising.
 
reilo said:
"Gas prices are on average $3.25/gal..."

MSNBC dumwit: "Isn't that great?"

No you dolt.

MSNBC dumwit: "I was driving around with my daughter, and we went, 'wow, look at the price of gas!' and we were so excited."

WTF WOMAN. Why are you cheering $3.25/gal? Cheer when it's $2.25/gal!
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Pfft. Gas prices were bad from when they hit $1.50. I think that was back in 2000/2001. I've been complaining since then, and even boycotted Exxon-Mobil up until late last year. There is no reason to cheer $2.25 gas even. I still remember filling up on 89 and 99 cent gas when I was in college, and it's not like I'm some geezer. PEACE.
 
reilo said:
That pretty much sums it up.
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To be fair, I anticipate that Obama will concede too much to the Blue Dogs, and won't be nearly as progressive as he could. But it'll still be one massive step in the right direction.
 
Clipjoint said:
"Joe the Plumber" was so obviously a Republican plant to give a face to the small businesses that will be killed by Obama's tax plan. McCain's campaign is just so unorganized that they didn't think Obama would totally shoot it down - hence the "zero??" moment.
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Who is that in your avatar???
 
Palin: Also, voter fraud is bad, and we don't just tolerate it! We encourage it!"

Fixed.

What if the reason they're campaigning in states they shouldn't have a chance in is because that's where they're attempts at voter fraud will be? How realistic is the chance for the election to be "stolen" anyway?
 
JayDubya said:
Fuck "the public" then. The Constitution protects our republic against that sort of nonsense.
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If it protected against it why wasn't the New Deal, The Great Society, or in the likely future almost assuredly Obama's big government rehaul allowed through without question?
 
Father_Brain said:
Bottom line: The public wants big government. Grover Norquist, Ron Paul, and the rest of the starve-the-beasters and hardline libertarians can cry me a fucking river.
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Yay! Socialismz WINS!

JK said:
We have had 30 years of class warfare, in which the wealthy strip-mined the middle class.
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Sorry Joe, pro-globalist policies had more to do with that.
 
JayDubya said:
Fuck "the public" then. The Constitution protects our republic against that sort of nonsense.
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At least you recognize that the public isn't on your side, which is more than I can say for some of your ideological comrades.
 
Cheebs said:
If it protected against it why wasn't the New Deal, The Great Society, or in the likely future almost assuredly Obama's big government rehaul allowed through without question?
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"Living document," lulz.
 
Father_Brain said:
At least you recognize that the public isn't on your side, which is more than I can say for some of your ideological comrades.
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I miss the days when paulites claimed polls hide Paul's true support and he'd shock the world by winning NH.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Yay! Socialismz WINS!



Sorry Joe, pro-globalist policies had more to do with that.
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What do you mean by "pro-globalist policies"?

As in, the GOP wanting to "fight them over there so we don't fight them over here"?

You mean, the libertarians stance on free and unregulated trade with anyone and everyone?
 
reilo said:
Have you ever watched Tucker Bounds on TV? He's like a lovable Sean Hannity without the bigotry.
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Naw, Tucker reminds me of a Middle school student in the Debate class trying in vain to defend his position.

Also, who would have him as a spokesman for ANYTHING?
 
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