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[BenjaminBirdie]

From a comment on Huff . . .

Joe the Plumber's plumbing license EXPIRED in 2002.

Hard to BE a plumber with an EXPIRED LICENSE!

Go to the below link & type in Joe's last name "Wurzelbacher" & find out how many Wurzelbacher's WERE and ARE licensed as a plumber in Ohio ...
http://elicense1-lookup.com.ohio.gov/SearchCriteria.asp

You"ll need to type in:
Board: Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board
Last Name: Wurzelbacher
State: Ohio

Results: the ONLY Wurzelbacher is Lawrence NOT JOE (must be Joe's first name) and Wurzelbacher's license EXPIRED in 2002.

So Joe isn't registered to vote AND Joe is NOT a licensed plumber

The voting registration thing was debunked, and the whole tack is stupid anyway. Focus instead on the fact that he WON'T make over $250,000 personally and he admitted he only HOPES to make that someday.

 

[syllogism]

Breaking with the talking points of his fellow Republicans in Washington, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist said he does not think voter fraud and the vote-registration group ACORN are a major problem in the Sunshine State. ''I think that there's probably less [fraud] than is being discussed. As we're coming into the closing days of any campaign, there are some who enjoy chaos,'' Crist told reporters.

So Crist is not just not campaigning for Mccain, he is actively working against him

 

[reilo]

"Living document," lulz.

If you love the 1800s so much, then build a time machine already.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I was just on Rapture Ready and they're accusing Fox News of selling them out now and asking for new 'unbiased' news sources :lol

This is awesomeness.

 

[JayDubya]

If you loved the 1800s so much, then build a time machine already.

No video games.

Inner turmoil++.


Edit: not sure why respecting the version of a document as ratified by the states and its amendments as ratified by the states makes me "love the 1800s so much."

 

[harSon]

Fuck "the public" then. The Constitution protects our republic against that sort of nonsense.

Get ready baby.

 

[Barrett2]

The voting registration thing was debunked, and the whole tack is stupid anyway. Focus instead on the fact that he WON'T make over $250,000 personally and he admitted he only HOPES to make that someday.

So essentially, Joe is just another delusionally aspirational Republican. He doesn't make enough money to benefit from GOP policies, but on the outside chance that someday he might, he is willing to sacrifice his present self interest to protect his future aspirational self.

 

[reilo]

No video games.

Inner turmoil++.

If you had a time machine, you could travel back and forth and buy all the games you want.

Edit: not sure why respecting the version of a document as ratified by the states and its amendments as ratified by the states makes me "love the 1800s so much."

I find issue with your assessment that you think a document created 250 years ago was infallible.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

I don't really see whats wrong with "big government". If people really cared about it then the republicans would have won every election.

Really? Maybe if the Republicans actually reduced government that would be a good argument, but since they only give it lip service, I can see why people don't believe it.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Using the Palin algorithm for assessing a person's qualifications for a job, one could easily deduce that Joe is in fact a plumber because he has a toliet in his house and can see it.

 

[numble]

Fuck "the public" then. The Constitution protects our republic against that sort of nonsense.

After Obama implements his policies, you should bring a Constitutional claim before the Supreme Court.

 

[JayDubya]

Get ready baby.

I already expect the worst president in my lifetime, thanks.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

So essentially, Joe is just another delusionally aspirational Republican. He doesn't make enough money to benefit from GOP policies, but on the outside chance that someday he might, he is willing to sacrifice his present self interest to protect his future aspirational self.

Ding!

 

[ToxicAdam]

What do you mean by "pro-globalist policies"?

As in, the GOP wanting to "fight them over there so we don't fight them over here"?

You mean, the libertarians stance on free and unregulated trade with anyone and everyone?

I don't remember the libertarians controlling the house or senate.

 

[reilo]

I already expect the worst president in my lifetime, thanks.

Sorry brother. George W Bush is leaving office in January, and Ron Paul won't be elected. Eight years of right-wing shit is over. Cheers!

I don't remember the libertarians controlling the house or senate.

Yeah, the right-wingers that did control only ran on those principles. I mean, it's not like a certain GOP controlled congress passed and sponsored a deregulation bill that has put us into this financial disaster.

 

[Fragamemnon]

"Living document," lulz.

strict constructionism, double lolz. I can play your meaningless game too.

 

[Deku]

lets not forget the neo-con's big government national socialism project

 

[3rdman]

Here is the link to the story (removed from the front page): http://www.redstate.com/diaries/brad_smith/2008/oct/16/time-to-get-real-and-save-the-senate/

Entertaining comments

Here's another....

Lastly, I have commited to spending an hour in prayer each day for this election. I suggest others do the same. We had divine intervention in 2000, we can have it again.

LOL

 

[lastendconductor]

Fuck "the public" then. The Constitution protects our republic against that sort of nonsense.

Constitutions change, and get obsolete too, you know. They are not the holy scriptures, they were made by men, who are not fail proof, and in a different socio political marquee.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

I already expect the worst president in my lifetime, thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N8_u1FLu30

 

[JayDubya]

Constitutions change, and get obsolete too, you know. They are not the holy scriptures, they were made by men, who are not fail proof, and in a different socio political marquee.

*yawn*

Which is why they can be amended.

 

[WaltJay]

oh maan! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/obama-ad-goes-after-mccai_n_135146.html

:lol :lol

You take that back Obama! You might hurt McCain's feelings! :lol

YouTube Link for those in need

 

[Fragamemnon]

I don't remember the libertarians controlling the house or senate.

the only thing I've ever seen libertarians truly control is the ability to, on demand, ruin any political discussion post on the internet

 

[ToxicAdam]

Yeah, the right-wingers that did control only ran on those principles. I mean, it's not like a certain GOP controlled congress passed and sponsored a deregulation bill that has put us into this financial disaster.

So, consumed by the blame game. Yawn.


The fingerprints on all of these actions that have stretched out the middle class are on both parties.

But keep being a partisan hack. Politics is a team sport and it's important "your team" wins.

RAH RAH

 

[pxleyes]

I already expect the worst president in my lifetime, thanks.

WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[VictimOfGrief]

A surprisingly good column from Joe Klein.



Bottom line: The public wants big government. Grover Norquist, Ron Paul, and the rest of the starve-the-beasters and hardline libertarians can cry me a fucking river.

Interesting read.

Me being part of the public however, do not want bigger government and that's exactly what we're on the verge of getting.

 

[CharlieDigital]

I don't remember the libertarians controlling the house or senate.

And they won't in the foreseeable future and probably never will (thank goodness for the rest of society). There is no first world post-industrial country in the world that is libertarian for good reason (doesn't work in practice). The libertarian's day will never come.

the only thing I've ever seen libertarians truly control is the ability to, on demand, ruin any political discussion post on the internet

Sounds about right.

 

[Cheebs]

I find issue with your assessment that you think a document created 250 years ago was infallible.

This is something I always found a bit odd about strict constuctionists. It was a document written by politicians a long time ago. It isn't some sort of religious text.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

I already expect the worst president in my lifetime, thanks.

smh

 

[reilo]

So consumed by the blame game. End yourself.

lol.

Yeah, who wants to learn from past mistakes?

It really makes all the sense to re-elect the motherfuckers that put us into this mess, because they will somehow magically fix it. Like the free market! It can fix everything on demand. You just wait and see.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Yay! Socialismz WINS!



Sorry Joe, pro-globalist policies had more to do with that.

Capitalism clearly fails. I don't know why so many are in support of the free market when, letf to its devices, it runs out of control. It'd why we need to Fed and other government oversight to make sure the model doesn't get too out of balance. Capitalism is no less a failed policy as socialism, so why are we still so down on socialism? At least it can work within a closed system. PEACE.

 

[gkryhewy]

the only thing I've ever seen libertarians truly control is the ability to, on demand, ruin any political discussion post on the internet

:lol :lol Amen.

 

[Fragamemnon]

So Crist is not just not campaigning for Mccain, he is actively working against him

Crist is doing one even in South Florida to keep the FL Republican Party from maiming him. If a keen journo at the Orlando Sentinel hadn't pointed out in a well-circulated article two days ago that Crist was actively avoiding McCain, I doubt Crist would be even doing that. That man's political radar is as keen as his gaydar, fact.

 

[perfectchaos007]

foxnews.com has made Joe Plumber a front page Hero!

 

[mckmas8808]

Charlie, I agree with you're point about the progressive tax, but what I'm really getting at is that Obama flubbed when talking about his own policy, and this flub leads to everyone thinking that any small business with revenue of >$250K will be affected.

The chance that Joe's plumbing will ever PROFIT >$250K is just ridiculous. At some point, he may turn a profit, but Joe's Plumbing will probably increase Joe's salary, his employee's salary, upgrade facilities, buy new tools...ect.

I think it's a shame that no-one (Obama, McCain, or Joe) realizes this.

I think Obama knows his own policy. That's why it's setup that way. Now I agree that he did screw up not hearing the guy say "revenue".

 

[Cheebs]

Also here is something I don't get about strict constructionists. Obama taught a class about the constitution! One would think someone who taught a class about it for multiple years would know a bit about it.

 

[GrapeApes]

Surprise surprise, Joe the Plumber has been a registered republican since 1992.

Joe Wurzelbacher doesn't immediately turn up in the Ohio voter registration database, leading to some speculation last night that he's not registered to vote.

But the Toledo Blade reports that he appears to be a registered Republican, and a primary voter at that:

Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4, 2008, registering as a Republican.

Ms. Howe said that the name may be misspelled in the database.

(This is, incidentally, the reason people worry about purging the voter rolls. They're such a mess to begin with.)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Joes_registration.html?showall

 

[CharlieDigital]

Also here is something I don't get about strict constructionists. Obama taught a class about the constitution! One would think someone who taught a class about it for multiple years would know a bit about it.

But he's a liberal, dude, only the libertarian interpretation of the constitution is valid.

 

[JayDubya]

Also here is something I don't get about strict constructionists. Obama taught a class about the constitution! One would think someone who taught a class about it for multiple years would know a bit about it.

Sure. I'll give him some credit, then - he's an expert on a fucktarded school of thought, and personally responsible for spreading that school of thought to others.

 

[reilo]

The fingerprints on all of these actions that have stretched out the middle class are on both parties.

But keep being a partisan hack. Politics is a team sport and it's important "your team" wins.

RAH RAH

Yeah. Keep telling yourself that 20 of the past 28 years being in control in the GOPs hands can also be blamed on the other side. I mean, if only we had a democrat during those 8 years that actually put this country on a track to prosperity and left office. Oh wait!

Sure. He's an expert on a fucktarded school of thought.

Well, then go ahead and apply for a job teaching Constitutional Law at any school of your choice if you are so qualified and know better.

 

[Fragamemnon]

The fingerprints on all of these actions that have stretched out the middle class are on both parties.

This is completely true, and for all the demonizing of Phill Gramm (who is a total jackass), the fact is that Bob Rubin and co deserve an equally harsh public flogging over the Great Shitpile.

 

[Shins]

Which is why they can be amended.

so what's the problem

 

[XxenobladerxX]

Maybe instead of bitching and complaining about "big government" and "socialism", maybe you guys should try running for the senate,governor or congress . Be part of the solution,not the problem.

I'm pretty sure you guys would get far.

 

[CharlieDigital]

Sure. He's an expert on a fucktarded school of thought.

I need to know now.

1) Have you studied law in an academic capacity?

2) Did you pass the bar?

3) Have you taught law in any capacity as an accredited individual?

4) Why should we believe your interpretation of law if you have not accomplished 1-3?

 

[BotoxAgent]

I already expect the worst president in my lifetime, thanks.

yeah, because we'll be taxed like hell and terrorists will be taking over. Am i rite?

 

[JayDubya]

so what's the problem

"Progressives" could give a shit about the amendment process. The document says what they say it does.

The Constitution says fuckall about the federal government's authority to provide healthcare, and yet...

 

[BrokenFiction]

Posted yet?

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/

Republican strategist & McCain advisor Martin Eisenstadt on 'Joe the Plumber' ('Oops.')

If Steve Schmidt had any hair left, I hear he would have been pulling it out tonight. He reportedly screamed at John’s debate prep team tonight (out of earshot of reporters, of course). “You idiots - he’s related to Charles Keating… of the Keating Five scandal!” They thought they had a real live Joe Six-Pack who’s spurned Barack Obama’s tax plan. But what they forgot to do was check on Joe Wurzelbacher’s background.

 

[gkryhewy]

Also here is something I don't get about strict constructionists. Obama taught a class about the constitution! One would think someone who taught a class about it for multiple years would know a bit about it.

But does he have Constitution bedsheets? A life-sized portrait of number one most important framer Alexander Hamilton on the ceiling above his bed?

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

"Living document," lulz.

I know, right? Framer's intent. Can't believe those blacks and women are allowed to vote!

 

[MOMMY DEAREST]

http://palinaspresident.com/


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