PoliGAF Debate #3 Thread of Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plunger in your hand

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I made the JayDub is like the intelligent design/Creationist people comparison before but thinking about it more, he is worse.

I just saw another of the segments on TBN the other day, Carl Baugh show. They at least attempt to form reality to their liking. The guy on with him had like a dozen little posters set up with pictures or info.

Libertarians can't do this without looking just as pitiful and it is why it is best to stick with the academic arguments over the constitution.
Notice how they claim Obama is gonna be horrible and never argue it. Any it's not that they are haters. They just have nothing of their own to point to. They can try to prop up whatever modern embodiment of their philosophy still exists from the bronze age. But that is like using Nickelodeon Gak to hold together the Titantic.
 
PrivateWHudson said:
Because defense is one of the Prime Directives of the Federal Government, where as education and welfare should be the responsibility of the states.
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Okay, but that just seems weird to me that spending (basically) unlimited amounts of money of DoD, while crying about too much spending on healthcare, education, and alternative energy just seems stupid.

I think all of them are important. An uneducated America is bad, a bad economic America is bad, an American without a real plan to get off of fossil fuels is bad, a America with so many uninsured people is bad.

To me personally are these are as or close to as important as a great military.
 
there really is no other way to say it, Obama smashed these fools. It seems to me (especially Palin) that the republicans talk only in talking points, cliches and rehearsed line. Everytime Obama gets a question he goes into why and how.

Worst example was the 'say it ain't so joe, doggone it something about an old woman whos reward is in heaven'

wtf sarah palin, you have no brains. And mccain just straight up looks like a fucking dead guy. Seriously, he is far too old for this. What is up with his left cheek?
 
Crayon Shinchan said:
Oh VictimOfSelf, I'd trust Dick Cheney a million times over with that shovel, then yourself.
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:lol

now that IS funny.

Hitokage said:
Yeah, you could make that statement if you're apathetic, ignorant, or so far removed from either platform they're all godless communists to you. :P
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The godless communist in there that is batshit smelling insane--- and will keep shoveling shit for the sake of shoveling shit, because she loves it... is dear old Nancy.
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kkaabboomm said:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/dnc_weighs_accelerated_spendin.php

dean/DNC injecting up to $20,000,000 into STATE races, not federal-level races, to try and up their chances of winning state houses and thus redistricting opportunities. hotness
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Trying to force the RNC into re-focusing on state and congressional races and abandon McCain. I think it'll work.

McCain is days away from being all but abandoned by the party, in terms of spending.
 
kkaabboomm said:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/dnc_weighs_accelerated_spendin.php

dean/DNC injecting up to $20,000,000 into STATE races, not federal-level races, to try and up their chances of winning state houses and thus redistricting opportunities. hotness
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Other targets for Democrats include: Ohio, Wisconsin, Delaware and the Texas House, where Democrats are five seats away from the majority; the Obama campaign has added organizers to help them.
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Flipping 5 seats would be sweet, sweet justice for 2002.
 
Evlar said:
Trying to force the RNC into re-focusing on state and congressional races and abandon McCain. I think it'll work.

McCain is days away from being all but abandoned by the party, in terms of spending.
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When do they start making him fly commercial? :lol
 
kkaabboomm said:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/dnc_weighs_accelerated_spendin.php

dean/DNC injecting up to $20,000,000 into STATE races, not federal-level races, to try and up their chances of winning state houses and thus redistricting opportunities. hotness
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This year, having plucked the low-hanging fruit, Democrats have set their sights on tougher pulls, like New York's state senate. "It's the biggest toss-up on the map," says Matt Compton, a spokesperson for the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee.
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fuck yes! If they can flip those 2 seats gay marriage will be legalized in New York :D
 
mckmas8808 said:
Okay, but that just seems weird to me that spending (basically) unlimited amounts of money of DoD, while crying about too much spending on healthcare, education, and alternative energy just seems stupid.

I think all of them are important. An uneducated America is bad, a bad economic America is bad, an American without a real plan to get off of fossil fuels is bad, a America with so many uninsured people is bad.

To me personally are these are as or close to as important as a great military.
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Yes, the amount they are spending right now is outrageous, but at the same time only the Fed is big enough to protect us from foreign invaders. That is something states can't do on their own. They are all important, it's just a matter of who you think is responsible for them. A Big Federal Government with a big broad brush, or smaller state governments who can focus on what's important in their state.
 
DNC is spending quite a bit of money here in Alaska... Probably going to win them the only house seat we have and one more senate seat.
 
greepoman said:
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/396/slide_396_10523_large.jpg

This been posted yet? Looks like photoshop gold lol.
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<---- Thank you kind sir :)
 
I didn't skim the thread but how dope was it when Obama spoke on Ayers, Acorn and the yelling of "Terrorist!" and "Kill him!" at McCain's rallies and then ended with (paraphrase) "I think it reflects more on your campaign than it does on me."

Me and wife were all "OOooooOO!" and "Awww shit!!". Oh wait, here's the actual quote:

Obama last night said:
Now, the reason I think that it's important to just get these facts out is because the allegation that Sen. McCain has continually made is that somehow my associations are troubling.

Let me tell you who I associate with. On economic policy, I associate with Warren Buffett and former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker. If I'm interested in figuring out my foreign policy, I associate myself with my running mate, Joe Biden or with Dick Lugar, the Republican ranking member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, or General Jim Jones, the former supreme allied commander of NATO.

Those are the people, Democrats and Republicans, who have shaped my ideas and who will be surrounding me in the White House. And I think the fact that this has become such an important part of your campaign, Sen. McCain, says more about your campaign than it says about me.
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That is just totally badass.
 
Cooter said:
I disagree. The closer we get the numbers are really pointing torwards a huge dem sweep in congress. I think he could do some damage with it.
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"OMG he is winning too much so vote for meeeeeeeeeeeee!"

...could work I guess?

not
 
bob_arctor said:
I didn't skim the thread but how dope was it when Obama spoke on Ayers, Acorn and the yelling of "Terrorist!" and "Kill him!" at McCain's rallies and then ended with (paraphrase) "I think it reflects more on your campaign than it does on me."

Me and wife were all "OOooooOO!" and "Awww shit!!". Oh wait, here's the actual quote:
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Yeah. I actually said "wow" out loud to that.
 
I haven't spoken up much in this thead, partly because it is so enthusiastically democratic that I'd prefer to avoid melding in.

I would like to highlight my favorite part of this election however, and it is not explicitly related to any policy that Senator McCain or Senator Obama ascribe to: it is the manner in which Mr. Obama has come about his funds.

I think it is exciting, perhaps thrilling, that Mr. Obama was able to raise so much money through the web; he accrued his funds through millions of 20 dollar donations rather than thousands of 75,000 dollar donations. Furthermore, we can only assume that this shift in resources will grow ever greater in the future, as the internet becomes more accessible and more convenient.

This isn't a Republican vs. Democratic concern (although in this election it has clearly helped the Democrats), but a big guy vs. little guy issue. Because donating has been made so much more convenient, those wishing to donate small amounts have become vastly more important, regardless of who actually recieves the funds. That is a change I am very excited by.
 
VictimOfGrief said:
The godless communist in there that is batshit smelling insane--- and will keep shoveling shit for the sake of shoveling shit, because she loves it... is dear old Nancy.
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Ok, and what about the other 434 representatives? Sorry to take away your bogey(wo)man.
 
Opiate said:
I think it is exciting, perhaps thrilling, that Mr. Obama was able to raise so much money through the web; he accrued his funds through millions of 20 dollar donations rather than thousands of 75,000 dollar donations. Furthermore, we can only assume that this shift in resources will grow ever greater in the future, as the internet becomes more accessible and more convenient.
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I really wanted Obama to hammer McCain when he kept talking about how much money he has spent doing negative ads by speaking of exactly this.
 
Holy shit.

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The latest newsletter by an Inland Republican women's group depicts Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken, prompting outrage in political circles.

The October newsletter by the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated says if Obama is elected his image will appear on food stamps -- instead of dollar bills like other presidents. The statement is followed by an illustration of "Obama Bucks" -- a phony $10 bill featuring Obama's face on a donkey's body, labeled "United States Food Stamps."

The GOP newsletter, which was sent to about 200 members and associates of the group by e-mail and regular mail last week, is drawing harsh criticism from members of the political group, elected leaders, party officials and others as racist.

The group's president, Diane Fedele, said she plans to send an apology letter to her members and to apologize at the club's meeting next week. She said she simply wanted to deride a comment Obama made over the summer about how as an African-American he "doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

"It was strictly an attempt to point out the outrageousness of his statement. I really don't want to go into it any further," Fedele said in a telephone interview Tuesday. "I absolutely apologize to anyone who was offended. That clearly wasn't my attempt."

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Sheila Raines, an African-American member of the club, was the first person to complain to Fedele about the newsletter. Raines, of San Bernardino, said she has worked hard to try to convince other minorities to join the Republican Party and now she feels betrayed.

"This is what keeps African-Americans from joining the Republican Party," she said. "I'm really hurt. I cried for 45 minutes."
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VictimOfGrief said:
What I'm getting at is we're going to be in the same shit with different people holding the shovel.
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Just to be clear then, you did vote for Kerry in 04 and every Democrat in sight for congress while Bush was in the white house right? Because if you didnt that would make you kinda hypocritical.
 
Honestly, again, I think these polls are gonna be very wrong, just because people are racists.

Fuck, November 5th can't come soon enough. I won't be happy unless these polls show at least a 13% margin
 
One interesting thing that I keep hearing McCain talk about is the low corporate tax rates in Ireland.

I don't get this.

I mean, since when was Ireland the international beacon of innovation, wealth, and big business? I'm so confounded by this argument and why Obama doesn't just call him out on it.
 
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