PoliGAF Debate #3 Thread of Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plunger in your hand

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The Obama campaign needs to be careful not to appear to be attacking "Joe the Plumber". The media is yet again going in a frenzy with a shiny new toy and turning this guy's life inside and out. We're just one day away from FoxNews proclaiming that the "liberal" media is smearing the average joe and therefore by extension the Obama campaign is smearing Joe the Plumber. It's a trap.

McCain may be winning a news cycle but this whole Joe story only seems to really appeal to the Republican base. Everybody else can't stand it. So it's a distraction but I don't think it will gain them any votes.
 
The Chosen One said:
The Obama campaign needs to be careful not to appear to be attacking "Joe the Plumber". The media is yet again going in a frenzy with a shiny new toy and turning this guy's life inside and out. We're just one day away from FoxNews proclaiming that the "liberal" media is smearing the average joe and therefore by extension the Obama campaign is smearing Joe the Plumber. It's a trap.

McCain may be winning a news cycle but this whole Joe story only seems to really appeal to the Republican base. Everybody else can't stand it. So it's a distraction but I don't think it will gain them any votes.
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Obama camp hasn't done anything about Joe the Plumber. They won't.:lol
 
So, I was once banned for posting a pic of Hillary standing in front of a sign that, via her blocking certain letters, looked like "C*NT". Is it safe to say blue political humor isn't ok 'round here still? :P
 
Leonsito said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV8uEzGuvfc

AAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!
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SnakeXs said:
So, I was once banned for posting a pic of Hillary standing in front of a sign that, via her blocking certain letters, looked like "C*NT". Is it safe to say blue political humor isn't ok 'round here still? :P
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Blue humor ok, misogyny isn't.
 
The Chosen One said:
The Obama campaign needs to be careful not to appear to be attacking "Joe the Plumber". The media is yet again going in a frenzy with a shiny new toy and turning this guy's life inside and out. We're just one day away from FoxNews proclaiming that the "liberal" media is smearing the average joe and therefore by extension the Obama campaign is smearing Joe the Plumber. It's a trap.

McCain may be winning a news cycle but this whole Joe story only seems to really appeal to the Republican base. Everybody else can't stand it. So it's a distraction but I don't think it will gain them any votes.
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No one is attacking joe the plumber
 
So what's w/ the Drudge headline about the likely voter numbers being within 2% on Gallup? Is this significantly different than what it has been, or are they fudging the "margin of error" to create a sensationalist headline? Been a busy afternoon for me, so I haven't had time to look into it.
 
ghibli99 said:
So what's w/ the Drudge headline about the likely voter numbers being within 2% on Gallup? Is this significantly different than what it has been, or are they fudging the "margin of error" to create a sensationalist headline? Been a busy afternoon for me, so I haven't had time to look into it.
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Drudge still lives in 2004. Ignore him.
 
WTF? McCain is just sounding like a crazy old man with conspiracy theories now. :lol


McCain: Obama not telling 'whole truth'
Andy Barr Thu Oct 16, 2:09 PM ET

John McCain said Thursday that Barack Obama is still not telling the “whole truth” about his association with 1960’s radical William Ayers despite explaining the relationship during Wednesday’s debate.

“Senator Obama didn't tell the whole truth about his relationship with Mr. Ayers last night,” McCain said in an interview on Fox News. “They served together on boards, together they made a decision to give $230,000 to ACORN, the group that is now being involved in what could be one the great voter frauds in American history.”

The Arizona senator also accused Obama of not fully explaining his association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

“He certainly didn't reveal all of his relationships with ACORN, which his campaign paid $832,000 in the primaries to a front group for ACORN,” McCain said. “And you know what it was described as? ‘Lighting and site preparation' Give me a break.”

“But we know this, that there are allegations of voter fraud by ACORN in every single battleground state. This is a widespread operation. Now we laugh when Mickey Mouse is registered to vote, but we don't laugh, we don't laugh, when there are voter rolls filled up with names that there is no authentication whatsoever. This could violate the most fundamental aspect of democracy and that is a free and fair election.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081016/pl_politico/14641

The biased "news" sources have indeed managed to create parallel worlds:
1) Reality
2) The world where evolution didn't happen, The ACORN people are bringing down democracy, tax cuts always create more revenue, Jesus rode dinosaurs, Obama & Ayers have devious secret plans, climate change is not related to man at all, infinite oil exists, etc.
 
What's this Gallup "likely voter poll". I don't remember PoliGAF paying much attention to it. Has it always been right there front and center at gallup.com? What's Nate's take on it?
 
Fatalah said:
What's this Gallup "likely voter poll". I don't remember PoliGAF paying much attention to it. Has it always been right there front and center at gallup.com? What's Nate's take on it?
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That specific one is if it was still 2004, and the electorate map was made up just like 4 years ago.

Hint: It's not.
 
speculawyer said:
WTF? McCain is just sounding like a crazy old man with conspiracy theories now. :lol



http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081016/pl_politico/14641

The biased "news" sources have indeed managed to create parallel worlds:
1) Reality
2) The world where evolution didn't happen, The ACORN people are bringing down democracy, tax cuts always create more revenue, Jesus rode dinosaurs, Obama & Ayers are created secret plans, climate change is not related to man at all, infinite oil exists, etc.
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Okay, so from what I gather from this old man's... accusations:

1. Obama is in bed with Ayers to do... something terroristy to America

2. Acorn is being paid for by Obama's campaign, to falsify voter registration so that... well... I don't really know what it's going to matter if voter registration is falsified, as far as I understand, you still need to prove your identity when you vote for -real-. But I'm assuming it somehow is actually the most sinister plot to undermine America since French Fries.

3. Obama/Ayers/Acorn are all in bed together at the same time, doing some backdoor shit.

That about sum it up?

My real wonder at this whole thing is this Ayers association that he keeps bringing up... he obviously doesn't think Ayers is still a terrorist or this dude would be behind bars, when pressed I'm sure he has and will say that he doesn't think that Obama has terroristy intentions... so what? What is it I am not getting about American politics here?
 
Why does Mathews even let these right-wing fundies on his show? They just flat out lie, and it's disgusting.
 
Fatalah said:
What's this Gallup "likely voter poll". I don't remember PoliGAF paying much attention to it. Has it always been right there front and center at gallup.com? What's Nate's take on it?
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There is a little bit of tracking poll housekeeping, however. Gallup is now listing likely voter results in addition to registered voter results. Our policy since the first debate has been to use the likely voter model when we have the choice, and so that's what we will do from here forward. However, Gallup provides two separate likely voter models: "Likely Voters I", which favors Obama by 7 points, is based on "current voting intentions and past voting behavior"; "Likely Voters II", which goes to Obama by 10, is based on "current voting intentions" only.

I understand that Gallup wants to cover its butt; this is a difficult election to evaluate. With that said, I'd wish they'd tell me which of their likely voter models they think is superior and stick with it.

If they're going to ask me to make a choice, then I'm going to go ahead and make one, and that is with the "Likely Voters II" model, as "Likely Voters I" would seem to entirely strip out the registration gains that Obama and the Democrats have made over the past four years. In addition, the fact that there is a massive Democratic advantage in enthusiasm makes me skeptical of any likely voter model that cuts 3 points out of the Democratic margin. Because of the way that our model handles national polls, neither decision actually advantages Obama or McCain any, but I do think that "Likely Voters II" is liable to be a more accurate reflection of the electorate.
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http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/todays-polls-1013.html
 
Fatalah said:
What's this Gallup "likely voter poll". I don't remember PoliGAF paying much attention to it. Has it always been right there front and center at gallup.com? What's Nate's take on it?
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Gallup has two models now to cover their ass because this election is hard to predict. Traditional is stuck in 2004 where all the new registered voters are ignored, miniorities and youth vote will not increase and more republicans will vote then democrats like 2004.

Expanded is based on the opposite where the youth and miniorities will come out to vote and the new democrats registered since 2004 will vote.

Nate believes in the expanded model.
 
Why does Mathews even let these right-wing fundies on his show? They just flat out lie, and it's disgusting.
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I usually like Matthews as a host, but I can't stand the Hardball segments with Democratic strategist on the left, Republican strategist on the right, see who can lie more convincingly. The portions with reporters or writers are usually insightful, but those parts are pure garbage.
 
somedevil said:
Gallup has two models now to cover their ass because this election is hard to predict. Traditional is stuck in 2004 where all the new registered voters are ignored, miniorities and youth vote will not increase and more republicans will vote then democrats like 2004.

Expanded is based on the opposite where the youth and miniorities will come out to vote and the new democrats registered since 2004 will vote.

Nate believes in the expanded model.
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So if you go to Gallup.com and see the "likely voter" spread at 2 points, is that the traditional way? And the the regular gallup daily poll PoliGaf loves is the new methodology?
 
speculawyer said:
WTF? McCain is just sounding like a crazy old man with conspiracy theories now. :lol



http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081016/pl_politico/14641

The biased "news" sources have indeed managed to create parallel worlds:
1) Reality
2) The world where evolution didn't happen, The ACORN people are bringing down democracy, tax cuts always create more revenue, Jesus rode dinosaurs, Obama & Ayers have devious secret plans, climate change is not related to man at all, infinite oil exists, etc.
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So I guess he's not going to go down with any dignity left, huh?
 
Fatalah said:
So if you go to Gallup.com and see the "likely voter" spread at 2 points, is that the traditional way? And the the regular gallup daily poll PoliGaf loves is the new methodology?
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Gallup.com has the spread at +6 -- which means they believe that voter model is more accurate to reflect the current climate.

Drudge is being a GOP shill and ignoring reality and living in lala-2004-land.
 
Fatalah said:
So if you go to Gallup.com and see the "likely voter" spread at 2 points, is that the traditional way? And the the regular gallup daily poll PoliGaf loves is the new methodology?
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negative. the gallup poligaf has been following for months is the registered voter model.

then, gallup has 2 LV models -- one based on a 2004 model, and one based on a theoretical 2008 model.

so, there are now like 3 daily gallups, and nate/kos/poligaf/everyone else tends to discard the 2004 model, as, well, discarding 4 years of registration/demo changes/etc
 
agrajag said:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/deathshred_king/whatzero.jpg[img][/QUOTE]
I thought this joke was dead to me, but this made me laugh pretty hard :lol
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Did I just hear Chuck Todd say "Batman and Penguin" on Hardball? :lol

Btw, how come Chuck Todd hasn't touched the election map today. Is he scared since CNN already put Obama over 270?
 
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