PoliGAF Debate #3 Thread of Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plunger in your hand

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Slurpy said:
I found it telling how McCain would start off answering, his instinct is to lie, then he thinks better of it as he realizes how easily he will be called out on it. ie. if he was aware of the 'palling around with terrorists' line- he actually had to think for a few seconds before answering that he was aware of it. The liddy response is equally pathetic.
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This is so true.
 
Slurpy said:
Hitler and Obama.. damn, the similarities are uncanny, how could I have missed them!
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Can we call Godwin's Law on McCain supporters?

Now that Obama has managed to convince the rational part of the electorate, it's no wonder his rise in poll probably starts to level off. He'll never get the nutters on his side.
 
ronito said:
oh Utah.


http://thedailyuniverse.wordpress.co


I'd say never change, but I know you wont anyway.
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Oh BYU.... doing your part to raise the next generation of utopian Mormons who live in a world where politics is as closely examined as the life story of Joseph Smith, one of the most academically studied persons in early American history; and about whom most Mormons don't know a single thing beyond the pamphlet bullet points they are indoctrinated with as kids.

On a side note, for those who care, my dad told me yesterday he is voting Obama. My dad is a Mormon 'stake president' in Provo, UT who has never voted Democrat in his life. We converted another one!!
 
lawblob said:
On a side note, for those who care, my dad told me yesterday he is voting Obama. My dad is a Mormon 'stake president' in Provo, UT who has never voted Democrat in his life. We converted another one!!
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Sweet, maybe we can push him to 30% there.
 
cnn.com changed their "poll of polls" to their electoral map. Obama had been ahead by 8 points before the switch. Guess they're gearing up for November 4th.
 
I can't believe Morning Joe is running with the Drudge 2-point "shock poll" (likely voters, traditional model) without even explaining that it's not an apples-to-apples comparison with the gallups they've been using all along.

Simply pathetic.
 
Colin Powell on Meet the Press this Sunday. Oooohhh...

gkrykewy said:
I can't believe Morning Joe is running with the Drudge 2-point "shock poll" (likely voters, traditional model) without even explaining that it's not an apples-to-apples comparison with the gallups they've been using all along.

Simply pathetic.
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And entirely predictable. Let 'em cling to their false hope..

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edit: Thoughts on Powell..

Will the press move from the boring plumber to "Who's Powell going to endorse?" Will this become the story of the day?

I have mixed feelings about Powell. He's just above dirt in my mind, given how he's facilitated (and in the eyes of the lesser-informed, legitimized) the actions of those currently in power.

But at the same time, I'm a pragmatist, and I see the great value that would come from his endorsement. We'd be fools to not want his endorsement; it - along with the bump Obama is going to get from his infomercial - would effectively kill any remaining chance that McCain had.

So this leaves me hoping, but not expecting anything. I haven't watched much Meet the Press since Russert died, since it's largely turned to crap because of its hosts. But I probably won't be able to resist the temptation this weekend.
 
I think it now looks likely the race has tightened somewhat as Research 2000/kos tracker's yesterday's sample was +6% Obama (though 5% MoE). Still, it also had only 1% undecided.
 
Dax01 said:
Anybody think ND has a good chance of going blue? What about Missouri?
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Honestly, I'm skeptical about either of those going blue. Then again, I'm an electoral pessimist at heart.

And an update re: Powell:
Donated money to McCain's campaign earlier this year.

http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Powell+&fname=Colin&search=Search

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edit: New Rasmussen numbers from Missouri this morning:

Obama 52%
McCain 46%

Interesting. If I'm wrong about Missouri, I'll be happy. :lol
 
PrivateWHudson said:
The morning guy on Philadelphia's conservative talk station told his listeners this morning who he's going to vote for.

Obama
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Smerconish?

He was really impressed with Obama after he did his recent radio interview with him
 
gcubed said:
Smerconish?

He was really impressed with Obama after he did his recent radio interview with him
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Yep. He said that after reading both candidate's books, being at both conversions, and watching all of the debates, he will for the first time in 28 years as a registered Republican, vote for a Democrat for President.
 
HylianTom said:
Hotline Tracking:

Obama: 50% (+1)
McCain: 40% (-1)

(and Zogby has stayed at Obama +5.)
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basically Obama needs to sustain any post debate bump he can get until his half hour special, which again, will most likely give him another bump into election day
 
As funny as that Batman Obama picture is, McCain/Palin definitely got the better end of the deal there. Biden in Robin's tights? *shivers*
 
gcubed said:
basically Obama needs to sustain any post debate bump he can get until his half hour special, which again, will most likely give him another bump into election day
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I'm convinced that this election is going to narrow with most undecideds eventually going to McCain. Still, with Obama at or above 49% in most polls, he'll stay on top in the popular vote, and he'll win Kerry/IA/NM/CO/VA at a minimum.

The infomercial is a master-stroke.. if there's an insurance policy against late McCain momentum or October Surprise, this is it.

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edit: Rasmussen post-debate who-won-the-debate poll:

Obama: 47%
McCain: 33%
 
beelzebozo said:
after all that, the guy doesn't even have a plumbing license :lol
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But he doesn't need one - he's covered by his employer's plumbing license. If he sets up in business on his own, then sure, he'll need one.
 
That was a much better speech by Bush this morning. He should have gave this speech about 4 weeks ago...

He probably should have gave this type of speech in front of Congress when he first announced the Bail Out plan. Bush seems to do better in front of a crowd.
 
Kind of off-topic and in no way endorsing an Obama/Hitler comparison, but I'm pretty sure I recall that Hitler idolized Abraham Lincoln until the US joined the war.

He also was a pretty talented artist, despite his rejection from art school. It's interesting to go through and look at his sample paintings. It's always surreal to me realizing that these evil despots were just average dudes who liked candy corn and other weird things.
 
HylianTom said:
I'm convinced that this election is going to narrow with most undecideds eventually going to McCain. Still, with Obama at or above 49% in most polls, he'll stay on top in the popular vote, and he'll win Kerry/IA/NM/CO/VA at a minimum.

The infomercial is a master-stroke.. if there's an insurance policy against late McCain momentum or October Surprise, this is it.
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At worst, true undecideds seem to be breaking 50/50 right now, if not towards Obama. You may be right that McCain may win the folks deciding on election day, but that's not going to be very many people.

Most polls are showing 6-7% other/undecided (and at least 1% is the "Other" vote) at the most at this point, so McCain would have to win them 3 to 1 and get some of the soft Obama supporters to flip to have a chance at winning.
 
thefro said:
At worst, true undecideds seem to be breaking 50/50 right now, if not towards Obama. You may be right that McCain may win the folks deciding on election day, but that's not going to be very many people.

Most polls are showing 6-7% other/undecided (and at least 1% is the "Other" vote) at the most at this point, so McCain would have to win them 3 to 1 and get some of the soft Obama supporters to flip to have a chance at winning.
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I was also thinking, with massive voter turnout, the enthusiasm gap is going to KILL McCain when people voting for him just give the fuck up in the face of three hour lines to vote.

YAY!!!

:D
 
Before people get worried about the tightening of the election. Remember this ALWAYS happens.

Gore and Bush tightened in the final 2 weeks, same with Kerry and Bush, and even Clinton and Dole.


Undecideds start breaking at this point and as said for MONTHS most undecided likely will go with McCain, but as long as Obama is above 50(which he is) it doesn't matter.
 
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