PoliGAF Interim Thread of 2008 Early Voting (THE FINAL COUNTDOWN: T MINUS 2 DAYS)

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RubxQub said:
Guns and religion...what side of the political map clings to those typically...hmmm...

Sounds like a hillbilly, and sounds like the probability of racism is significantly increased.

This isn't rocket science, guy.
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Sounds like you like to stereotype people, this isn't the south.
 
Atrus said:
Since 'Changing the world' seems to be an issue raised recently, I thought the following article I read in the paper this week would give good insight as to how some in Canada viewed the potential impact of the US election.

http://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/comment/article/132996

"Paul Cellucci, the former United States ambassador to Canada, warns that a victory by Barack Obama next week would be a “danger” for Canada because he might renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement.


Cellucci worries that, should Obama win the presidency and the Democrats strengthen their hold on both houses of Congress, there would be “one-party government” in Washington. With that would come pressure from unionists and environmentalists to re-open the agreement.


Of course, it’s nowhere certain Obama would question free trade at all. And it’s curious that one-party government didn’t bother Cellucci, an amiable Republican, when his party was in control of both the executive and legislative branches in 2004.


But he’s right to argue that Obama as president represents a danger to Canadians — even if it is more psychological than economic.


Fundamentally, Obama threatens our self-image. His election will challenge the smugness and moral superiority with which we have long viewed the United States.


It will dispel home truths and force us to look at ourselves in a different light, undermining our deep-seated notion that we are the kinder, gentler people of North America — more tolerant, more progressive, more civic-minded.


Tolerant? In Fire and Ice, his bestselling study of attitudes on both sides of the border, pollster Michael Adams argues that Canadians are more sensitive to minorities than Americans because we are “a mosaic” and they are “a melting pot,” demanding conformity from all newcomers.


This isn’t true of the United States. It is a delusion that will evaporate if Americans elect their first black president.


Progressive? Barack Obama will come to office as the most liberal chief executive since Lyndon Johnson. Obama wants to introduce universal health care. If that happens — and the country’s crushing debt may prevent it — Canadians will lose one of the differences between people they love to trumpet. Moreover, we will no longer corner the market on compassion.


Democratic? It won’t be pretty to watch the antiquated American electoral machinery on election day. But if it breaks down, the likely reason is that a higher percentage of Americans will be voting this year than in any election since 1960.


Expect more than 59 per cent of Americans to cast ballots on Nov. 4, the record low number who voted here. This will put the lie to our boast that we are more engaged in politics than they.


Cellucci was right about Barack Obama. He is a threat to many of the self-satisfying assumptions that we have long had about ourselves and about our neighbours. "
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... and as a Canadian it pisses me off that some of us do actually believe some of the things above I have bolded. There's nothing kinder or gentler about Canadians over Americans; and our so called health care system is nothing to really brag about if you actually look at it. I am pretty sure there's more than a few Indi... first nations people that would disagree with our country not being into assimilation.

I mean he might be an economic problem for us ... maybe, and i have expressed my views on him somewhat in this thread so i dont need to repeat myself. BUT, if his taking office will knock a few people off their high horses, then great.
 
reilo said:
So, apparently the GOP [most likely Dick Morris], is spending $2mil on an anti-Obama ad with Jeremiah Wright in it.

GO MCCAINNNNNN
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The Republican Party of Pennsylvania launched a last-minute television ad that calls attention to Barack Obama's relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

"If you think you could ever vote for Barack Obama, consider this: Obama chose as his spiritual leader this man," the ad's narrator says before clips of Wright's controversial statements are shown.

"Does that sound like someone who should be president?" the ad asks.
 
Finally listened to the prank :lol

FNS: I must say, Governor Palin, I love the documentary they made on your life, you know, Hustler’s "Nailin Palin."
SP: Oh, good, thank you. Yes.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
Illuminati said:
Sounds like you like to stereotype people.
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Sounds like you ignore probabilities.
 
mamacint said:
Pennsylvania: so backwards, some people hate "The English"
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Which brings up an interesting point... Which way do the Amish usually vote? Do they even vote at all?

I can't imagine Obama's advertising spending is reaching them via the traditional channels. Is there a field office out there somewhere full of young, fired-up Amish kids who volunteer to canvass each ordnung by riding their horses door to door with Obama literature?

Because that would be totally awesome.
 
Gruco said:
What's the connection between operating effectiveness/resources of the DNC and their ability to craft Kerry's message?

I'd appreciate any articles you could provide on this issue, because frankly the "short leash" doesn't jive with my recollections at all.
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I never said there was, I was just pointing out that a candidates' campaign I very closely tied to the party, and citing the strategy as an example.

I'll try to find an article, but the only navel-gazing post-'04 articles I have saved are about the Republican attack machine and John Edwards.
 
GhaleonEB said:
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Terror.

http://www.thecoolhunter.net/ads/Obama/McCain---The-Colored-Race/
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Obama...still looks black.
 
Diablos said:
Finally listened to the prank :lol

FNS: I must say, Governor Palin, I love the documentary they made on your life, you know, Hustler’s "Nailin Palin."
SP: Oh, good, thank you. Yes.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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So i'm gonna go listen to this now ...
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Which brings up an interesting point... Which way do the Amish usually vote? Do they even vote at all?
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HEAVILY Republican, I believe. Which is why I, for one, have been so excited about the new electronic voting booths: now those fuckers'll just have to stay home!
 
So I just "did my part" (okay not really) by writing a note on Facebook, tagging every single one of my 637 friends in it. If you want to inject yourself with some Hopium, go ahead and give it a read.

Since I think door-to-door campaigning and unsolicited phone calls are annoying, I'm going to "do my part" and write a little Facebook note on what I think about this election. Hopefully it will convince people like my brother to go vote, as terribly annoying at that may be.

I've never liked politics. In general, they're just as bad as people say they are: full of greedy, money-hungry lobbyists who work the system in order to achieve their own personal agendas. I tend to agree with the late George Carlin: I don't think anything is wrong with the system, but I hold a general disdain for the average intelligence of the American people. As he notes, garbage in, garbage out.

In this past eighteen months, however, changes directly related to our federal government have finally started to affect me personally. My family's income has decreased; I have several friends who have now lost jobs due to this economy. The war in Iraq continues to be a travesty, and as I traveled overseas for the first time in my life, I began to get the sense that Americans are no longer respected on the world stage. Habeus Corpus' suspension, the Katrina response, the waterboarding, the probable 2004 election fraud in Ohio. The last eight years, as a nation, have been utterly embarrassing.

Now, let's be clear. I'm not saying that John McCain is George W. Bush. He used to be a man I could respect, and I actually believe that somewhere, underneath the facade, he still is. But, in his rush to obtain the highest office in the land, he has needed the Republican Party to back him, and in this, he has needed to make great moral and political concessions. From 2000 to 2008, he has switched on a great number of major issues...the Bush tax cuts and overturning Roe v. Wade among others. Choosing Sarah Palin as his vice-presidential nomination was the last straw: the appointment of a Creation-spouting idiot, utterly and absolutely clueless about global issues and a clear pander toward the Christian Right and women in general. If he loses this election, and I believe he will, I will feel nothing but pity for this man, who has given up so much that he held dear during this mad, desperate chase.

On the other side, we have Barack Obama. Certainly not my ideal candidate: I don't particularly love his positions on NASA, nuclear power, gun control, the silly "War on Drugs", and, I have to admit, his continuing frowns upon the video game industry. (Play Shadow of the Colossus, you jerk!) But, despite all that, when I look at Barack Obama, I smile. When I hear him speak, I feel inspired. Here is a man who is GOOD, that most important quality in a politician, a man who unites people of so many backgrounds and creeds and beliefs. This isn't brainwashing, folks. When you take away Obama's charisma and simply read a transcript, the message is as loud and clear as ever: we can regain our dignity, our position in this world, and overcome these problems which plague us so horribly.

This is not a battle of good versus evil. It would be incredibly pompous and presumptuous of me to say so. But when I look at footage from Obama's rallies, I see nothing but cheering and enthusiasm. When I look at footage from McCain's, I see racism, slander, and hatred. Those American people which I so disdain are overwhelmingly for McCain, the uneducated, the people who still fly Confederate flags on their front yards, the people who take pride in their small town values that essentially equate to "we hate the gays". Every WEEK the GOP levels some new ridiculous attack against Obama: Reverend Wright, allegations of Muslim allegiances, connections to William Ayers, elitist, socialist, Marxist, pals around with terrorists. When one doesn't stick, they move to the next. And, unfortunately, the average American puts stock in these arguments, they fear change, they fear the unknown, and it is that fear that drives their vote on November 4th.

I want a president who IS elite, a graduate of Harvard, where even *I* couldn't get fucking accepted. A man who is level-headed, cool, rational, intelligent, and kind. Is Barack Obama all of these things? Perhaps not. But he's a hell of a lot closer than the 2008 version of John McCain. You see, I'm not voting for Obama to wave his magic wand and fix the economy, end the war in Iraq, and restore American to its former glory. I'm voting for the hope, the chance, the long shot that we've finally found a man who can achieve these goals. Am I sure? Hell no.

But at least I can say I tried.

Now go vote.

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RubxQub said:
Sounds like you ignore probabilities.
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People in the center of the state don't follow radical Christian religions like down south. Most follow the religions their ancestors had when the state was founded like protestant variations and Roman Catholicism.
 
Tobor said:
They're hypocrites anyway. They fold on stuff like this all the time.
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So no chance of an Obama field office reaching out to the Plainfolk? That kind of sucks, since it would be a great premise for a comedy rife with cultural mistunderstandings and big-city-folk-in-Amish-country hijinks.
 
If there's any one benefit to Obama winning, after watching all these Sunday shows week in and week out, it'll be that I may never have to see the likes of Fred Thompson, Lindsey Graham, or Joe Liberman on these programs ever again. It's a depressing line-up of surrogates that just say the most inane things.
 
Man...I'm just thinking about how crazy the Election thread is going to be in about 48 hours :lol

There's going to be 1000s of posts a minute as each state is called.
 
Macam said:
If there's any one benefit to Obama winning, after watching all these Sunday shows week in and week out, it'll be that I may never have to see the likes of Fred Thompson, Lindsey Graham, or Joe Liberman on these programs ever again. It's a depressing line-up of surrogates that just say the most inane things.
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Hey we got the double-dose of "tied in Iowa" Rick Davis today!
 
Illuminati said:
If someone cannot control their own campaign groups and stop bombarding people with phone calls and visits when someone tells you on multiple occasions to stop it and they are a member of the damn party already, it makes you question how are they going to manage the country.
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viciouskillersquirrel said:
So no chance of an Obama field office reaching out to the Plainfolk? That kind of sucks, since it would be a great premise for a comedy rife with cultural mistunderstandings and big-city-folk-in-Amish-country hijinks.
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/trailer guy voice

An Amish boy is the only witness to a Republican vote flipping conspiracy. But can an Obama supporter uncover the truth in time to save the boy, get Obama elected, and fall in love?
 
Macam said:
If there's any one benefit to Obama winning, after watching all these Sunday shows week in and week out, it'll be that I may never have to see the likes of Fred Thompson, Lindsey Graham, or Joe Liberman on these programs ever again. It's a depressing line-up of surrogates that just say the most inane things.
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Fred Thompson. Old Fashioned passion in 2012!

Remember how a year and a half ago people thought we needed Al Gore and Fred Thompson to bring the excitement to the presidential race...
 
Macam said:
If there's any one benefit to Obama winning, after watching all these Sunday shows week in and week out, it'll be that I may never have to see the likes of Fred Thompson, Lindsey Graham, or Joe Liberman on these programs ever again. It's a depressing line-up of surrogates that just say the most inane things.
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I think the major benefit is that we might see a big reduction in dirty politics on the presidential level as every up and comer tries to imitate him..
 
Chrono said:
I didn't say he's not capable of influencing anything in this world, my question was what the hell he's talking about when he says we're going to change the world. That's it.
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Besides the fact that influencing it and changing it are the same fucking thing, I'm a little surprised anyone would be ignorant of the ramifications of the Bush Doctrine at this point, especially since it was a hot topic just 6 or 7 weeks ago. Obama has gotten fairly specific on his differences in approach, as well, and not long ago.

Drudge was trumpeting "change the world" as part of the attack line re: Obama's audacious/presumptive (or, let's say, "uppity") attitude. I suggest you meet his spin with a little critical thinking (or in this case, basic recollection) in the future.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Which brings up an interesting point... Which way do the Amish usually vote? Do they even vote at all?

I can't imagine Obama's advertising spending is reaching them via the traditional channels. Is there a field office out there somewhere full of young, fired-up Amish kids who volunteer to canvass each ordnung by riding their horses door to door with Obama literature?

Because that would be totally awesome.
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I don't think they vote but they would probally go red due to the republican technological policy and their religious policy.
 
Ugggh. Republicans are so transparent in their race baiting. I somehow caught 5 minutes of some shrill Republican on CNN trying to claim Obama was a socialist who bemoans the failure of the civil rights movement because it didn't redistribute the wealth. Yeah, it's not at all obvious what you're trying to imply. Seriously, fuck the Republican party. I hope they get slaughtered on Nov 4th and every election day after until they come back with tactics that aren't intellectually dishonest and don't pit whites against minorities.
 
Macam said:
If there's any one benefit to Obama winning, after watching all these Sunday shows week in and week out, it'll be that I may never have to see the likes of Fred Thompson, Lindsey Graham, or Joe Liberman on these programs ever again. It's a depressing line-up of surrogates that just say the most inane things.
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Lindsey Graham is an absolute piece of shit. The guy is the biggest shill / whore for the GOP; someone should tell him he has no chance of gaining a more prominent position within the party. I am so sick of seeing him on MTP, he never has anything insightful or interesting to say. I wish that piece of shit would go away.
 
Wait, what?

Did I just hear right on MSNBC that 5 homeless people were found dead in vacant lots in Long Beach, CA?

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Latest early voting numbers

Colorado: 69% of 2004 people have voted, 37.7% democrats, 35.9% republicans, 26.4% independents


Florida: 54% of 2004 people have voted, 45.5% democrats, 37.6% republicans, 16.9% indepedents



Georgia: 60% of 2004 people have voted, 60% white, 35.5% black and 2.2% other


Iowa: 30% of 2004 people have voted, 47.3% democrats, 28.8% republicans, 23.9% independents



North Carolina: 72% of 2004 people have already voted. 51.5% democrats, 30.1% republicans, 18.4% independents. 69% black, 26.5% black
 
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is willing to talk with Barack Obama if the Democratic candidate wins Tuesday's election.

Chavez says that relations between Venezuela and the U.S, now at their lowest point in years, could improve in an Obama presidency.

During a televised speech on Sunday, Chavez said he would meet with Obama only "on equal and respectful terms."

Chavez ordered the U.S. ambassador out of Venezuela on Sept. 12, accusing the envoy of involvement in a purported assassination plot. U.S. officials deny it.

He also recalled his ambassador from Washington and suggested that relations would not be fully restored until U.S. President George W. Bush leaves the White House.
FIND MORE STORIES IN: Washington | White House | Barack Obama | Chavez | Venezuela

"Hopefully with Obama, we will enter a new phase," Chavez said.
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AHHH SHIIIIT!!!!!!! What will the media and McCain's people say now?


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-11-02-chavez_N.htm?csp=34
 
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