Mahadev
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AniHawk said:Lipstick, I'm guessing.
It's an important issue. I'm glad part of the public decided to vote based on it.
AniHawk said:Lipstick, I'm guessing.
quadriplegicjon said:?? what happened in the last few days? did i miss something major?
3rdman said:Jeez, people are stupid. Well, at least there is still plenty of time and the debates will be a great leveler.
Of course you do.AniHawk said:I doubt it.
AniHawk said:I doubt it. McCain will do good enough to get by and that will be a win for him in the eyes of many.
ZealousD said:
ZealousD said:
DenogginizerOS said:In 2005, McCain when defining the Bush Doctrine stated "pre-emptive strikes...have to be contemplated under certain scenarios". On January 5th, 2008, in response to a question from Charlie Gibson that asked the Republican Presidential candidates if they agreed with the Bush Doctrine, McCain said it was a "tough question" but he stated, "I agree with it [the Bush Doctrine i.e. preemptive strikes]." On 7/27/08, McCain was asked again about the Bush Doctrine and he said, "Do I favor it [pre-emptive war], no." He also emphasized that it is why a President must have knowledge and experience to make such a call.
Now, if Sarah Palin is truly qualified, then why doesn't she even know what it is? And if she doesn't, which is clear from last night's interview, she directly conflicts with John McCain's view that the Bush Doctrine can only be utilized by a President with "vast knowledge and experience". This is why her not knowing the Bush Doctrine is a big deal to me, regardless of which candidate I support. If a lipstick wearing hockey mom gets pissed, I want her to have "vast knowledge and experience" to be able to decide on whether or not to initiate a preemptive strike under certain scenarios.
You're not alone.ZealousD said:
Huzah said:Sarah Palin does not have the require FP experience yet to be president which I agree. Now the hard part is, how much is this going to matter to voters?
McCain by chosing Sarah Palin put winning an election ahead of doing what is best for this country. If he truly vetted Palin, he would have realized she does not have the "knowledge, experience, and background" to be qualified to be a President executing a pre-emptive strike (the Bush Doctrine). If he feels 100% certain he is going to live through his first term, then that is one thing, but if he doesn't, it is clear he hasn't thought it out because by dying or becoming incapacitated, he will have put America in the hands of someone who, by his own definition, is not qualified to make the difficult decisions.Huzah said:Sarah Palin does not have the require FP experience yet to be president which I agree. Now the hard part is, how much is this going to matter to voters?
DenogginizerOS said:McCain by chosing Sarah Palin put winning an election ahead of doing what is best for this country. If he truly vetted Palin, he would have realized she does not have the "knowledge, experience, and background" to be qualified to be a President executing a pre-emptive strike (the Bush Doctrine). If he feels 100% certain he is going to live through his first term, then that is one thing, but if he doesn't, it is clear he hasn't thought it out because by dying or becoming incapacitated, he will have put America in the hands of someone who, by his own definition, is not qualified to make the difficult decisions.
This goes to his judgement. If that doesn't matter to voters, then we are lost.
ZealousD said:
ZealousD said:
DenogginizerOS said:McCain by chosing Sarah Palin put winning an election ahead of doing what is best for this country. If he truly vetted Palin, he would have realized she does not have the "knowledge, experience, and background" to be qualified to be a President executing a pre-emptive strike (the Bush Doctrine). If he feels 100% certain he is going to live through his first term, then that is one thing, but if he doesn't, it is clear he hasn't thought it out because by dying or becoming incapacitated, he will have put America in the hands of someone who, by his own definition, is not qualified to make the difficult decisions.
This goes to his judgement. If that doesn't matter to voters, then we are lost.
Not sure how hard they want to hit on the Corp tax cuts meme
eznark said:He should hit it hard, it sells. People don't think through the implications, they just hate the idea of Big Oil skating on taxes.
Barack Obama had the judgement to speak out against the Iraq war before it started. Barack Obama said we should go after Bin Laden, if we have "actionable intelligence" even if it required going into Pakistan. At the time, McCain and Bush ridiculed this notion. Now, almost a year later, Bush is doing just what Obama suggested.eznark said:I fully agree with that, but by the same token, I think the Democrats did the same by nominating Obama.
-Kees- said:First half: Not so Much.
Second half: Well....
I doubt this is their new "harder" stance. We'll just have to wait and see.
I think a much better ad can be made out of pointing out who runs his campaign and why they're running his campaign. I think the "more of the same" line has been sullied.
I don't think the Obama camp would do something like that though.
527s?
AniHawk said:Yep. 'Big Corporations' or 'Big Business' is the left's answer to the right's 'Big Government' in stirring up support.
Barack Obama had the judgement to speak out against the Iraq war before it started. Barack Obama said we should go after Bin Laden, if we have "actionable intelligence" even if it required going into Pakistan. At the time, McCain and Bush ridiculed this notion. Now, almost a year later, Bush is doing just what Obama suggested.
Very arguable. The Palin point, not so much.eznark said:I fully agree with that, but by the same token, I think the Democrats did the same by nominating Obama.
Huzah said:Not sure how hard they want to hit on the Corp tax cuts meme, it's easily argueable that if we want to give relief to businessess and create more jobs we should lower their taxes so they have more capital to reinvest into their businesses.
I don't follow this point. He might lose the election, and some might argue after the fact that it was too soon to run. That's fine.eznark said:I fully agree with that, but by the same token, I think the Democrats did the same by nominating Obama.
They need to start hitting McCain up on being sexist.ZealousD said:
syllogism said:
RapeApe said:They need to start hitting McCain up on being sexist.
Steve Youngblood said:I don't follow this point. He might lose the election, and some might argue after the fact that it was too soon to run. That's fine.
"But by that same token" really doesn't fit. Whether he truly deserves it or not by some impossible-to-define objectivity, he had to earn his spot on the top of the ticket. He didn't just get the spot handed to him by party elders in a smoke-filled room. He DID earn it.
Leave that to the 527s to bring up his infidelity.
-Kees- said:First half: Not so Much.
Second half: Well....
I doubt this is their new "harder" stance. We'll just have to wait and see.
I think a much better ad can be made out of pointing out who runs his campaign and why they're running his campaign. I think the "more of the same" line has been sullied.
I don't think the Obama camp would do something like that though.
527s?
Edit: I'm all for painting McCain as out of touch. Making ads with Rubik's Cubes, disco balls and saying that he doesn't use E-Mail isn't the way to go.
syllogism said:
Nothing like an absolutely brutal news cycle for two days for John McCain to rally people to him.Cheebs said:Rasmussen shows a sizable jump for McCain this morning:
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syllogism said:
Touchdown said:Planned Parenthood fights back against McCain's sex-ed ad. It's airing in Denver and Pittsburgh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0kiLoMY1hg&eurl=http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
eznark said:I fully agree with that, but by the same token, I think the Democrats did the same by nominating Obama.
GhaleonEB said:Nothing like an absolutely brutal news cycle for two days for John McCain to rally people to him.
We're fucked. :lol
I don't think the parallels are quite that strong, really. That was a decision majorly influenced by events outside the central power structure of the Democratic Party, very much dissimilar with the decision to pick Palin as VP.
eznark said:nah, this is going to be Kennedy v. Nixon all over again. The debates will catapult the unproven/untested political newb ahead of the crusty ol' curmudgeon.
Does Obama has mob ties to solidify it?
Eh, I'm still cautiously optimistic that the McCain campaign is going to completely run out of steam. They're not going to win on the issues alone, and they're not going to beat Obama in the long-term as the quintessential 'Change' ticket.GhaleonEB said:Nothing like an absolutely brutal news cycle for two days for John McCain to rally people to him.
We're fucked. :lol
Eh. A buising issues ad pointing out all the ways McCain doesn't support women would be nice.gkrykewy said:Good.
eznark said:exactly.
was that literally cut and pasted from an Obama flier?
I'm speaking specifically to the "ready to lead" problem I have with Palin. That deficiency is shared with Obama.
The more responsible ticket for America in regards to foreign relations would be Biden-Obama, but that lacks the appeal.
Obama may turn out to be an excellent President, Palin could be the best VP ever, but neither has really shown anything that supports those assumptions.
Mahadev said:Yes of course. Because that has worked soooooooooo well with Bush we should expand it. Why can't some people learn from past mistakes?
Touchdown said:Planned Parenthood fights back against McCain's sex-ed ad. It's airing in Denver and Pittsburgh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0kiLoMY1hg&eurl=http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
syllogism said: