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PoliGAF Interim Thread of cunning stunts and desperate punts

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wonderkins

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Jason's Ultimatum said:
Oh and I'd just like to say that if anything, it was Paul Volcker who helped the economy grow in the 80s. He was the one that created an intentional recession to stop stagflation. In 1982 when inflation was slowing down, he let the money supply go and cut interest rates. This led to a booming economy.
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Volcker is to reason as Greenspan is to voodoo.
 
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Agent Icebeezy

Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
The Chosen One said:
I've noticed on multiple cable shows that the narrative of "Palin losing popularity" is starting to take hold. She seems to be fading fast. According to the polls, she went from the most popular candidate to the least popular among the 4 candidates in just a week. I think a combination of the ABC interview and Tina Fey did her in.

Maybe I'm asking for too much but I'm really hoping for a 3-eyed fish moment in the VP debates for Palin. She's showing a habit of giving complete nonsensical answers to questions, which she's not prepared for. She's basically a bot. She can't think beyond her original programming.

What is the VP format? Is it just the moderators asking the candidates questions or do the candidates interact with each other at all?
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Palin is prime for one of those. She is stumping with the same speech that she used to introduce herself to the world. She has nothing new to talk about and when she does, a lie flies out of her mouth. If anyone is correctly categorized as an empty suit in this election, it's Sarah Palin
 
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Kildace

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The Chosen One said:
I've noticed on multiple cable shows that the narrative of "Palin losing popularity" is starting to take hold. She seems to be fading fast. According to the polls, she went from the most popular candidate to the least popular among the 4 candidates in just a week. I think a combination of the ABC interview and Tina Fey did her in.
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On that note : Sarah Quaylin, the fascinating similarities between Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle.
 
Wheeljack539

Wheeljack539

Member
Hey guys I may have missed it in the thread but what is this thing that Rush Limbaugh is saying about Obama's ads to Hispanics and causing division? I overheard just a bit of it but it was something along the lines that the ad is proclaiming something that Rush said that he didn't.
 
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giga

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these are from the convention. really old, but really great photos for those who haven't seen them. (steve simon photographer)

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0809/simon-bp.html

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heliosRAzi

Banned
Instigator said:
Obama giving a speech. Hecklers appear. Obama tries to address them. They keep heckling. They are then escorted out.

The end.
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Ok, i need to know where the fuck you got your avatar from. This fem-fu has piqued my interest
 
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smurfx

get some go again
man the mccain camp really seems to be imploding this week. sucks when you have to actually campaign about the issues and not personality eh?
 
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Instigator

Banned
Door2Dawn said:
This seems like a non story really.
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I think it would be an issue for any candidate saying that in these current circumstances.

But more damaging is that it fits a narrative the Obama people have been trying to drive about McCain.
 
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Deleted member 17706

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Door2Dawn said:
This seems like a non story really.
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What? Are you being serious here? I can never tell if you are just joking or are some kind of damage control bot for the Republicans.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Hootie said:
Yeah, but can he really argue that staying in Iraq is beneficial to us considering how much it costs and how close we are to economic collapse? I mean...wtf.
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And Peterus himself said that saying victory and Iraq in the same sentence is something that even he wouldn't do.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The Chosen One said:
I've noticed on multiple cable shows that the narrative of "Palin losing popularity" is starting to take hold. She seems to be fading fast. According to the polls, she went from the most popular candidate to the least popular among the 4 candidates in just a week. I think a combination of the ABC interview and Tina Fey did her in.

Maybe I'm asking for too much but I'm really hoping for a 3-eyed fish moment in the VP debates for Palin. She's showing a habit of giving complete nonsensical answers to questions, which she's not prepared for. She's basically a bot. She can't think beyond her original programming.

What is the VP format? Is it just the moderators asking the candidates questions or do the candidates interact with each other at all?
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Look at Research 2000's poll numbers from today.


Code: 
CANDIDATE	FAV	UNFAV	NO OPINION
MCCAIN	  45	  45	  10
OBAMA	  57	  35	  8
BIDEN	  49	  33	  18
[B]PALIN	  41	  46[/B]	  13


Palin is at a -5 unfavorable rating now. This is HORRIBLE for John McCain! How does he win with this dead weight around his feet?


And here's the other internals from today's poll.




Code: 
Daily Kos Polling Data for September 19, 2008
	MCCAIN	OBAMA	BARR	NADER	OTHER	UND
Overall	  42	  49	  2	  2	  2	  3
MEN	  47	  43	  3	  2	  3	  2
[B]WOMEN	  37	  55[/B]	  1	  2	  1	  4
DEM	  10	  85	  0	  1	  1	  3
REP	  89	  6	  2	  0	  1	  2
IND	  42	  44	  4	  4	  3	  3
OTH/REF	  40	  46	  3	  4	  4	  3
WHITE	  53	  37	  3	  2	  3	  2
BLACK	  3	  94	  0	  0	  0	  3
[B]LATINO	  27	  68[/B]	  0	  1	  0	  4
OTHER/REF 2	  87	  0	  1	  0	  10
18-29	  29	  63	  0	  1	  2	  5
30-44	  44	  46	  4	  1	  3	  2
45-59	  43	  49	  2	  3	  1	  2
60+	  51	  41	  1	  3	  1	  3
[B]NORTHEAST 33	  60[/B]	  1	  2	  1	  3
[B]SOUTH	  53	  38[/B]	  3	  1	  2	  3
[B]MIDWEST	  40	  52[/B]	  2	  2	  2	  2
[B]WEST	  40	  51[/B]	  2	  2	  2	  3


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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
I'm probably late with this but....

“The crisis on Wall Street, my friends, started in the Washington culture of lobbying and influence pedaling and he was right square in the middle of it,” McCain said, painting Obama as a Washington insider. “My friends, this is the problem in Washington. People like Sen. Obama have been too busy gaming the system and haven’t ever done a thing to actually challenge the system. That’s not country first, that’s Obama first.”
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:lol :lol :lol :lol x infinity at McCain trying to paint Obama as the Washington insider with lobbyist ties.

Fucking twilight zone for realz.
 
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Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
reilo said:
I'm probably late with this but....



:lol :lol :lol :lol x infinity at McCain trying to paint Obama as the Washington insider with lobbyist ties.

Fucking twilight zone for realz.
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McCain figures that the more he portrays himself as Obama and the less he portrays himself as McCain, the better off he will be. He's trying to pull the old switcherooni!
 
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MightyHedgehog

Member
Saw this on HuffPo.
Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont said:
The current financial crisis facing our country has been caused by the extreme right-wing economic policies pursued by the Bush administration. These policies, which include huge tax breaks for the rich, unfettered free trade and the wholesale deregulation of commerce, have resulted in a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the very wealthy.

The middle class has really been under assault. Since President Bush has been in office, nearly 6 million Americans have slipped into poverty, median family income for working Americans has declined by more than $2,000, more than 7 million Americans have lost their health insurance, over 4 million have lost their pensions, foreclosures are at an all time high, total consumer debt has more than doubled, and we have a national debt of over $9.7 trillion dollars.

While the middle class collapses, the richest people in this country have made out like bandits and have not had it so good since the 1920s. The top 0.1 percent now earn more money than the bottom 50 percent of Americans, and the top 1 percent own more wealth than the bottom 90 percent. The wealthiest 400 people in our country saw their wealth increase by $670 billion while Bush has been president. In the midst of all of this, Bush lowered taxes on the very rich so that they are paying lower income tax rates than teachers, police officers or nurses.

Now, having mismanaged the economy for eight years as well as having lied about our situation by continually insisting, "The fundamentals of our economy are strong," the Bush administration, six weeks before an election, wants the middle class of this country to spend many hundreds of billions on a bailout. The wealthiest people, who have benefited from Bush's policies and are in the best position to pay, are being asked for no sacrifice at all. This is absurd. This is the most extreme example that I can recall of socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor.

In my view, we need to go forward in addressing this financial crisis by insisting on four basic principles:

(1) The people who can best afford to pay and the people who have benefited most from Bush's economic policies are the people who should provide the funds for the bailout. It would be immoral to ask the middle class, the people whose standard of living has declined under Bush, to pay for this bailout while the rich, once again, avoid their responsibilities. Further, if the government is going to save companies from bankruptcy, the taxpayers of this country should be rewarded for assuming the risk by sharing in the gains that result from this government bailout.

Specifically, to pay for the bailout, which is estimated to cost up to $1 trillion, the government should:

a) Impose a five-year, 10 percent surtax on income over $1 million a year for couples and over $500,000 for single taxpayers. That would raise more than $300 billion in revenue;

b) Ensure that assets purchased from banks are realistically discounted so companies are not rewarded for their risky behavior and taxpayers can recover the amount they paid for them; and

c) Require that taxpayers receive equity stakes in the bailed-out companies so that the assumption of risk is rewarded when companies' stock goes up.

(2) There must be a major economic recovery package which puts Americans to work at decent wages. Among many other areas, we can create millions of jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and moving our country from fossil fuels to energy efficiency and sustainable energy. Further, we must protect working families from the difficult times they are experiencing. We must ensure that every child has health insurance and that every American has access to quality health and dental care, that families can send their children to college, that seniors are not allowed to go without heat in the winter, and that no American goes to bed hungry.

(3) Legislation must be passed which undoes the damage caused by excessive de-regulation. That means reinstalling the regulatory firewalls that were ripped down in 1999. That means re-regulating the energy markets so that we never again see the rampant speculation in oil that helped drive up prices. That means regulating or abolishing various financial instruments that have created the enormous shadow banking system that is at the heart of the collapse of AIG and the financial services meltdown.

(4) We must end the danger posed by companies that are "too big too fail," that is, companies whose failure would cause systemic harm to the U.S. economy. If a company is too big to fail, it is too big to exist. We need to determine which companies fall in this category and then break them up. Right now, for example, the Bank of America, the nation's largest depository institution, has absorbed Countrywide, the nation's largest mortgage lender, and Merrill Lynch, the nation's largest brokerage house. We should not be trying to solve the current financial crisis by creating even larger, more powerful institutions. Their failure could cause even more harm to the entire economy.
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Sounds like a good plan to me and I especially like point number four.
 
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Learn2read

Member
Y2Kev said:
Andrew Sullivan: Obama will need to be up 5-7 points to win because of racists
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Maybe, but it seems like shit is getting real lately. I think that whole Bore/Gush mentality of the 2000 campaign hopefully will have finally melted away by election day. The differences between the two are stark, no matter how much McCain might like to obscure not just his record, but his fundamental nature as being someone unfit to govern. Plus he's old as fuck, the campaign is gonna take a toll. The wildcard of course is "have we seen the depths of stupidity yet from the American people?" On that last one I don't feel like placing any bets.
 
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MightyHedgehog

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I think people are overplaying the race shit. It will be a factor, no doubt, but I think it's mostly limited to specific counties in certain states rather than it being a country-wide factor.
 
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Stoney Mason

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ronito said:
Democrats were voting in primaries. Not saying there aren't racist democrats at all, but look at the south.
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But that's the thing. Only in a few cases (hopefully) will it even be relevant. He wasn't getting the South anyway. This election comes down to FLA, CO, Virginia, Ohio, and PA most likely. Mostly likely of course I'm saying...
 
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GhaleonEB

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ronito said:
Democrats were voting in primaries. Not saying there aren't racist democrats at all, but look at the south.
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A lot of that will come in states Obama won't win to begin with. And I'm hopeful that the racist factor will be overcome with higher black and youth turnout.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
ronito said:
Democrats were voting in primaries. Not saying there aren't racist democrats at all, but look at the south.
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Obama doesn't need the South. VA is more a mid-atlantic state and FL has a bunch of Latinos to weed out the few racist.
 
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Stoney Mason

Banned
At the moment my biggest pet peeve isn't even the race factor but the "elitist" factor (which admittedly can often be treated as code for race).

I didn't even bother watching that Lady de Rothschild interview until recently and that piece of human shit made me very angry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE13Zb0ejco

I'm scared of course that some of the audience we are gunning for in the swing states while not exactly like this fool have that same garbage floating around in their heads.
 
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Son of Godzilla

Banned
GhaleonEB said:
A lot of that will come in states Obama won't win to begin with. And I'm hopeful that the racist factor will be overcome with higher black and youth turnout.
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You don't think there won't be a significant GOTV racist campaign in the battleground states? The whole "my state is decided, I want to make an impact" thing isn't isolated to Dems. I fully expect some hardcore sabotaging of Ohio and Florida at the very least.
 
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ryutaro's mama

Member
Son of Godzilla said:
You don't think there won't be a significant GOTV racist campaign in the battleground states? The whole "my state is decided, I want to make an impact" thing isn't isolated to Dems. I fully expect some hardcore sabotaging of Ohio and Florida at the very least.
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Exactly.

McCain would be more than happy w/ a 2000 election scenario repeating and swinging his way.
 
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GhaleonEB

Member
Son of Godzilla said:
You don't think there won't be a significant GOTV racist campaign in the battleground states? The whole "my state is decided, I want to make an impact" thing isn't isolated to Dems. I fully expect some hardcore sabotaging of Ohio and Florida at the very least.
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I do expect that. I also expect it to be overcome.
 
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