Gary Whitta
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Most of McCain's family is not in that pic.Beavertown said:
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With McCain as the GOPnominee I actually felt pretty good about this election cycle. I've been planning to vote Obama every since Clinton conceded defeat, but I figured that even if McCain won it would be a huge improvement over Bush and that he would be able to raise the level of political discourse in this country.lawblob said:
The introduction of Palin has completely changed the way I feel about him; I have few lingering suspicions that he will govern as the 2000 primary McCain. :-(
Gary Whitta said:
You know, I shudder to think what republicans would have done with the insanely high ammunition that the democrats have on this ticket. I mean, fuck. The ticket would have been ripped to shreds by now. But, the democrats always like to play nice, taking the high road, and lose. If Obama had ONE of these quotes/contradictions, it would be repeated ad-nauseum by every single republican rep and plastered all over the place.
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Beavertown said:
they are trying to get the white women vote. so.. no 'colored' people, and no boys.
CharlieDigital said:
I think it is, honestly. I'm not going to pretend to be some expert on speech and body language, but McCain really does not come off to me as sincere in this campaign. The constant blinking, the awkward smiles, the stammering and pausing, the fidgeting... those are tell-tale bullshitting signs, aren't they? In the not-too-distant past (i.e. before he started his campaign), he came off as considerably stronger and more sure of himself in his manner of speech.
I agree with lawblob, though, there are far worse on the right than McCain - like Palin, for instance, who makes McCain look like Adlai Stevenson.
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M3wThr33 said:Saw these last night. I didn't get 'em.
Obama supports illegal aliens confirmed.
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lawblob said:
I see nothing that indicates that he isn't ready so say whatever he has to say to get in office.
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Zeliard said:
I believe some of that comes from his age and also the onset of dementia.
Thunder Monkey
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Even me, a raging liberal socialist didn't have much of a problem with him until this past year.Trurl said:
He sold what's left of his soul for a shot at the presidency. On top of that, dudes old, and he picked someone with marginally more national experience then me.
I've been in the O corner since I heard him speak a long while ago. Johnny would have never got my support, but it's sad to see him fall.
Gary Whitta
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The GOP would have you believe exactly that judging by the way they venerate Reagan.Slurpy said:
Tyrone Slothrop
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mccain is the anakin skywalker of politics. the hero who became consumed by the GOP machine, probably without even knowing it until it was too late.
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Beavertown said:
Regan, Bush, McCain, all went through the same. It has a lot to do with constantly telling them what to say, constantly telling them where to go, what not say, who to talk to who not talk to, etc., on every imaginable issues. That's why the further the campaign goes along the more puppet-like McCain is starting to look. It is a sort of conditioning; imagine if you were surrounded by people every day advising/directing you on your every moves, either for security reasons or for the sake of the campaign. At some point your mind starts to work differently, it becomes like a pair of bicycle wheels
Bush Senior and Clinton were smart enough not to have their minds turn to mush after a few years (they were probably both much more independent in thoughts and actions).
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Watching the morning shows today I couldn't help but feel that Obama and Biden were pulling their punches on McCain and especially Palin. They're getting knocked to the floor by these guys, and Obama and Biden manage to stay on message of policy issues, etc.
I agree I'd rather see a clean campaign but right now I feel like this is a WWE match and McCain and Palin are slamming chairs and exposing turnbuckles while Obama tries to counter with his technical wrestling style.
For instance, I don't see why it's inappropriate to challenge the RNC on their assertion Palin is somehow more qualified to be president than Obama. Why can't he talk about this? Seems legit to bring up a VP nominee's complete lack of experience when she's slamming you on your inexperience.
I'm sure they know what they are doing, but it seems like if they turned any more cheeks they'd have to pull their pants down. From my (albeit brief) following of politics, the issues rarely rule the day.
I agree I'd rather see a clean campaign but right now I feel like this is a WWE match and McCain and Palin are slamming chairs and exposing turnbuckles while Obama tries to counter with his technical wrestling style.
For instance, I don't see why it's inappropriate to challenge the RNC on their assertion Palin is somehow more qualified to be president than Obama. Why can't he talk about this? Seems legit to bring up a VP nominee's complete lack of experience when she's slamming you on your inexperience.
I'm sure they know what they are doing, but it seems like if they turned any more cheeks they'd have to pull their pants down. From my (albeit brief) following of politics, the issues rarely rule the day.
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Yeah, once he hits the talking points that he's had to flip on, it's like he's trying to choke down castor oil.Zeliard said:
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worldrunover said:
I'm pretty sure you'll see them fight back in advertising, not in interviews. There's a lot of material, but they are better off addressing them in a barrage of advertising runs closer to the elections to get the undecided voters.
AniHawk said:
Sorry, been gone all day. I'm not sure - what does it entail for the right wing nutters to start distributing their own spam and smears? I was thinking of typing something up and sending it to everyone on the last stupid joke distribution list someone sent me.
A subject line to the effect that 'if you make less than $XXX, obama would tax you less than McCain', with the WashPost chart attached and a link to that obama tax plan web site - I forget the domain.
Thoughts?
JayDubya said:
You are correct, sir. Even if they manage to bring Palin down on experience, the word "experience" in the dialogue reminds people that Obama doesn't have very much, which strengthens McCain. It's a trojan horse.
They should be hammering two themes: CHANGE and ECONOMY. The more those words control the dialogue, the better Obama is doing.
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Cheebs said:
Bah the smart thing to do would have been to say no one knows if she does have the experience because no one knows who she is. The would resonate with the public considering the public has no idea who she is.
Plus, they should always talk about her as if she was in line to be president, and hence not fit to be president. No one would disagree with that.
Gary Whitta
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You know how the nerdy smart kid always got the shit kicked out of him by the dumb-ass bully in school? That dynamic never changes and we see it now in presidential politics. The Dems simply do not have the stomach nor the skillset for a bare-knuckle brawl but that's what this race is going to increasingly become as the GOP locks onto the idea that voters are responding more to personality and bullshit than issues. Biden and Obama can talk intelligently about the issues all day, but McCain and Palin are going to consistently score more points more efficiently with crafty soundbites and snide put-downs.worldrunover said:
It depresses me how much closer we get to Idiocracy every day. Eight years after Bush we still live in a country where the "straight-talkin" moron joe sixpack wants to have a beer with (even though he never will) wins out over the Harvard law professor because high-level intelligence and education is still something that many people feel threatened by and sneer at.
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Cheebs said:
I'd just continue hitting her on her own words. She's been lying since the VP pick would announced; it's disgusting that the media isn't even trying to call her out. Let the facts come to the surface and define her before she can be fully defined by McCain
Don't expect Palin to give any interviews to the press http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=1852
Gary Whitta
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When you're a GOP frontman having to squirm and evade tough questions from Fox News, you know you're full of shit.yoopoo said:
Hellsing321
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:lol :lol Holy shit! Very well done.StopMakingSense said:
Gary Whitta said:
I dunno, I think some over at 538 put it best:
Charles M. Kozierok said:
And that's what I see, as well. For right now, Obama isn't going to be hitting heavy, because he doesn't need to. He can afford to take the high road and stick to talking about the economy and other legit issues, instead of doing more to sink to the "enemy's" level, and risk jeopardizing himself in the process.
That's what's going to do more to win over the independents, than any thing else.
In that light, again, Tim Russert seemed to have the ideal for how this election was going to go.
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I'd have to agree with everything said about Obama not fighting back hard enough. I really hate to say this but I'm beginning to think this very well could be a repeat of 2004. I'm reminded of the Kerry campaign which is not a good thing at all.
I hope Obama doesn't lose but if he does I would hope that the loss will finally encourage the Dems to grow a pair of fucking balls.
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That's very true as well.
I hope Obama doesn't lose but if he does I would hope that the loss will finally encourage the Dems to grow a pair of fucking balls.
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TreIII said:
That's very true as well.
Guts Of Thor said:
No, it would be a repeat of 2004, if every time one party hit hard, the other tried to hit back harder.
That's what happened to John Kerry. He got into basically an elaborate flame war with GWB, and ended up losing in the process.
Obama does not need to do the same thing, especially if he values the independents.
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I love how the McCain family only includes Bridget when it serves their needs. What a loving family.
Wow, this isn't good: http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw
Beavertown
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yoopoo said:
Yeah, looks like they are finally bowing to pressure and letting her sit down with Charles Gibson on ABC's World News Tonight, sometime this week.
Edit: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080907/ap_on_el_pr/palin;_ylt=Ap4uzoKEZT6V0eaOBCAPv9us0NUE
Gary Whitta
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That's exactly the kind of thing that GOP talking heads and bloggers (if not McCain/Palin themselves) will seize on. Biden made a similar gaffe today when he stated that there were no Sunnis in Anbar Province. He merely mis-spoke and immediately corrected himself (unlike McCain who had to be corrected by Lieberman about Iran not training Al Qaeda fighters) but expert political assassins can make hay out of even the smallest gaffe like that.Odrion said:
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Guy Legend said:
Is that the new show on Fox?
Gary Whitta
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capslock said:
Clevinger said:
yes but its on the front page of Drudge now and all over the blogosphere and youtube. It wiill fit nicely with his clip saying "america is not a christian country" in an attack ad. Its not fair but thats politics and mccain was attacked by obama in his stump speech no less for the 5 million is rich joke.
Gary Whitta
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That's exactly how this stuff works though. Some radical PAC will make an ad which McCain can publicly disown in order to elevate himself above the fray while actually giving the story more oxygen.Zeliard said:
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