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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
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Kitschkraft
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schuelma said:
Honestly, I know, you really are right. I know better then to critique her based on looks. But it's hard to stay above this kind of stuff when channels like Fox News are dedicated to demonizing Michelle on every and all aspects.
(Although, I see no reason why you object to me calling Michelle more intelligent).
When I say she looks like a typical trophy wife, I'm not talking about her looks really. I mean that the way she has presented herself on this campaign has been very subservient from my point of view, and I barely recall seeing her give any real moving speeches or anything the way Michelle has. I think that from everything I've seen thus far, that Cindy McSame simply will not be anywhere near as active, influential, or important of a first lady then Michelle Obama.
Liara T'Soni said:
Well that's your opinion and that's fine, but just because McCain chooses not to be enormously active doesn't mean she couldn't be a good first lady. Laura Bush, who you apparently think isn't much of a First Lady either, has generally been seen by all sides as an exemplary First Lady (the fact that she has favorable approval ratings given who she's married to should tell you something). Not everyone has to be Hillary Clinton.
Edit- Now, I don't mean to be some great defender of Cindy McCain; I'm not at all a fan of her bringing up the Michelle remarks and she should take a page from Laura Bush in that regard.
Kitschkraft
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McSame : I didn't really love my country until I was deprived of her company.
Dan Abrams is covering this now.
McSame is an angry, white, man, and is not patriotic. He is bitter.
Dan Abrams is covering this now.
McSame is an angry, white, man, and is not patriotic. He is bitter.
Kitschkraft
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This Lars asshole is getting slayed by Jonathan....:lol
Why is he even put on the air? Just get Pat, at least he's funny.
Why is he even put on the air? Just get Pat, at least he's funny.
Kitschkraft
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Tamanon said:
Whats scary is that there is a channel out there that specializes in his views.
He's no worse then Sean Hannity...
adamsappel
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Let's raise the level of political disagreement above hoping that war veterans who were crippled by combat take potentially-fatal nosedives off stages.Liara T'Soni said:
Kitschkraft
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adamsappel said:
I don't even feel like getting into this.
To each his own?
The Lamonster
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UPDATE: I got a 13-inch TV so I can FINALLY watch TV and play GAF at the same time.
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Deus Ex Machina
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PHOTOS: BARACK OBAMA joined by HOWARD DEAN on campaign plane from Washington to Chicago today
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., left, talks with Howard Dean, right, head of the Democratic National Committee, while in flight from Washington to Chicago Thursday, June 19, 2008.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., left, talks with Howard Dean, right, the head of the Democratic National Committee, while in flight from Washington to Chicago Thursday, June 19, 2008.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., right, talks with Reggie Love, on his campaign charter plane before takeoff in Washington Thursday, June 19, 2008.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Earlier in the day meeting with labor leaders...
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. greets labor leaders prior to the start of an economic round table discussion, Thursday, June 19, 2008, in Washington.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., flanked by Service Employees International Union (SEIU) International Secretary Treasurer with Anna Burger, left, and AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, smiles while taking part in an economic round table discussion, Thursday, June 19, 2008, in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., left, talks with Howard Dean, right, head of the Democratic National Committee, while in flight from Washington to Chicago Thursday, June 19, 2008.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., left, talks with Howard Dean, right, the head of the Democratic National Committee, while in flight from Washington to Chicago Thursday, June 19, 2008.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., right, talks with Reggie Love, on his campaign charter plane before takeoff in Washington Thursday, June 19, 2008.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Earlier in the day meeting with labor leaders...
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. greets labor leaders prior to the start of an economic round table discussion, Thursday, June 19, 2008, in Washington.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., flanked by Service Employees International Union (SEIU) International Secretary Treasurer with Anna Burger, left, and AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, smiles while taking part in an economic round table discussion, Thursday, June 19, 2008, in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Comedy:
What If the News Ran The John McCain "C" Story
nsfw...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RFCl3EUMHSc
What If the News Ran The John McCain "C" Story
nsfw...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RFCl3EUMHSc
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Can we knock it the fuck off with "McSame"? It's juvenile, pathetic, and frankly unbecoming for a board that's supposed to be nonpartisan and open to people of all political viewpoints.
No one would tolerate this thread being spammed with comments about "BHO" or "Babar" or "Barry" or any of the stupid names anti-Obama ranters use for him, and "McSame" is no less dumb than any of those. Hell, I'd like to think that someone throwing around Larry Sinclair's bullshit here would be thrown out of the thread by the seat of his pants.
For a bunch of people sitting around claiming to be disgusted by Republican tactics or Karl Rove level smearing or Hillaryis44's utter lack of respect towards Obama or Tim Russert, people seem to have no problem engaging in shit-flinging when it's expedient to their political beliefs.
I get it. You don't like McCain. He's wrong on the issues. He's not an effective public speaker. He looked dumb in front of the lime green background. He's a flip-flopper. He can't fundraise. He fearmongers. Whatever. You don't need to insult his wife, even if she does criticize Michelle Obama. You don't need to make up a pun on his name.
I assume the title to this installment of the PoliGAF thread specifically invites Republicans because the thread has become increasingly insular as perfectly rational people are driven away from the discussion from some of the histrionics in here, and I think that's a sad state of affairs.
No one would tolerate this thread being spammed with comments about "BHO" or "Babar" or "Barry" or any of the stupid names anti-Obama ranters use for him, and "McSame" is no less dumb than any of those. Hell, I'd like to think that someone throwing around Larry Sinclair's bullshit here would be thrown out of the thread by the seat of his pants.
For a bunch of people sitting around claiming to be disgusted by Republican tactics or Karl Rove level smearing or Hillaryis44's utter lack of respect towards Obama or Tim Russert, people seem to have no problem engaging in shit-flinging when it's expedient to their political beliefs.
I get it. You don't like McCain. He's wrong on the issues. He's not an effective public speaker. He looked dumb in front of the lime green background. He's a flip-flopper. He can't fundraise. He fearmongers. Whatever. You don't need to insult his wife, even if she does criticize Michelle Obama. You don't need to make up a pun on his name.
I assume the title to this installment of the PoliGAF thread specifically invites Republicans because the thread has become increasingly insular as perfectly rational people are driven away from the discussion from some of the histrionics in here, and I think that's a sad state of affairs.
Tyrone Slothrop
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Stumpokapow said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Poligaf hasn't been open to all viewpoints since it's second incarnation. When this thread has people actually worrying over Obama hair color, you have a problem.Stumpokapow said:
Just keep the obama stuff here and post the mcCain/rest of the Political world news out of this thread, so people can actually discuss it.
John McCain uses the same tired bush policies on the issues that I care about: economy,the war,foreign policy,the education(he doesn't even HAVE a education plan,and just like bush,he will do NOTHING to lower the cost of college.) And until he one day comes out and and confess that bush is wrong on EVERYTHING and change his policies,I will CONTINUE to call him "McSame".Stumpokapow said:
But I do agree that personal attacks on Cindy McCain should not be tolerated in this thread.
I don't think anyone giving Obama a nickname would be thrown out of this thread (especially a nickname as harmless - and fitting - as "McSame").
And if you're afraid of getting beat up by Obama supporters for taking minority positions, then GAF probably isn't your best place for discussion. Does FoxNews have forums?
And if you're afraid of getting beat up by Obama supporters for taking minority positions, then GAF probably isn't your best place for discussion. Does FoxNews have forums?
Frank the Great
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Door2Dawn said:
The way I look at it, if McCain is allowed to publicly and blatantly launch personal attacks against his wife and get away with it, then so should we.
Kidding.
Kinda.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
thekad said:
LIEberal, DemocRAT, or any variation of that would be frowned upon pretty heavily--as well as Micro$oft or any name like that on the other side of the board. Either way, whether it would be tossed out or not, it really should be. It's sad that American political discourse is polluted enough in public--when you have the opportunity to have a more articulate, and better calibre of discussion, why blow it with this kind of wankery?
I don't really think this comment reflects my posting history.
The Lamonster
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that was pretty neat.reilo said:
Mumei said:For those of us currently without cable and wanting to know any time Kristol gets humiliated:
Explain. Please.
Basically took Kristol talking about the habeas corpus decision being awful and a huge setback for justice and that these people don't deserve due process. Then they played a clip of him from 2 years ago when Saddam's trial happened gloating about due process and how it's making Iraqi law that much better and how important it is.:lol
Well of course DemocRAT or any of its variations would be frowned upon. I'm pretty sure most of the moderators are Democrats so, yeah, that wouldn't go over well; neither would a parallel insult with Republicans fly. But as far as I know, McCain and Obama don't post on these forums so I don't see how harmless nicknames would weight on the debate.
That second comment was aimed at avatar, a Confederate-sympathizing Ron Paul fanatic. FoxNews would welcome him, I'm sure. Well, except for the Ron Paul part.
That second comment was aimed at avatar, a Confederate-sympathizing Ron Paul fanatic. FoxNews would welcome him, I'm sure. Well, except for the Ron Paul part.
For the kind of shit he's pulling, "McSame" is letting him off lightly.
And I'm not sure how labels applying to whole groups applies here, stump. It's a label confined to an individual based on that individual's actions. The degree of generalization is minute in comparison.
And I'm not sure how labels applying to whole groups applies here, stump. It's a label confined to an individual based on that individual's actions. The degree of generalization is minute in comparison.
kame-sennin
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speculawyer said:
If you don't do politics, politics will do you. Bill Clinton passed Nafta, and he did very little prevent the energy crisis we're facing today. I think both the democrats and the republicans need to be closely watched and held to a high standard lest they continue the nonsense they've been pulling since... well, since forever. Just because the republicans are worse (if that's your view), doesn't make the democrats good. Which leads to this:
Tamanon said:
I don't think the issue should be about flip-flopping. I like it when a candidate has a good reason to change his or her mind. I'd love it if Obama flip-flopped on full trrop withdrawal, single payer health care, or gay marriage. The problem here in my view is that, campaign finance is the single most important issue our country faces today, because it is the one issue that has the ability to affect nearly everything else. Healthcare, Iraq, energy, drugs, housing, why aren't these problems being solved? Because lobbyists make it inconvenient. Regardless of how clean or dirty Obama is as an individual candidate, the system at large is nearing third world levels of corruption. People are constantly complaining about Pelosi and the Congress not getting shit done, but this is why. It's in the best interests of private corporations to keep us in Iraq, to maintain the status quo in the health industry, to keep prisons overcrowded, ect. Things aren't going to change if we don't hold ALL candidates feet to the fire, republican or democrat, on the issue of where they get their fucking money. If we don't, than we can't expect them to put our interest over the interests of those who have the most money.
/rant.
kame-sennin
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Tamanon said:
I don't mean to be confrontational, but you really haven't backed that up. I know my post lacked hard data (digging that shit up is a pain), but I did explain where I'm coming from. If you ask most voters, Iraq, health care, gas prices, or the economy at large are most likely to come up as the most important issues for them in this election. And yet, having publicly funded campaigns (fully public, not the half ass shit we have now) has the potential to turn all those issues on their head. We know that our war policy is determined in large part by contributions made by defense contractors. We know that single payer health care would be on the table if it weren't for the fact that democrats like Clinton take massive contributions from health insurance companies. Do I even need to explain how corporate lobbying effects our policy towards wall street and oil companies? Where's the hyperbole? Please, don't argue that campaign finance is not one of the biggest issues, if not the biggest issues until you've considered how it affects the rest of the political agenda.
Cheebs said:
The above applies to these posts as well. If you disagree with me, please explain why. Believe it or not, I am open to changing my positions. But dismissing my points with insults does not bolster your argument.
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