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PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)

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sangreal

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CowboyAstronaut said:
They even suggest Obama coming to Hilary's aide to show he isn't sexist when she has thrown him under the bus every chance she has gotten.

Lou Dobbs about to give props to Obama for insisting that the DNC not take any lobbyist money? Who knows, we'll see.

McCain failed Lou Dobbs Challenge miserably.
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I'm sure he'll just complain about the DCCC taking lobbyist money.
 
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Deus Ex Machina

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Clinton NOT Seeking VP Slot

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/06/clinton_not_seeking_vp_slot.html
This just out from the Clinton campaign:

Response to VP Inquiries

While Senator Clinton has made clear throughout this process that she will do whatever she can to elect a Democrat to the White House, she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her.
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Well Somebody Please Relay That Message To Robert Johnson, Lanny Davis and Wasserman Schultz among others..
 
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GhaleonEB

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sangreal said:
I'm willing to give her this one. Her "open to it" comment really was in context of doing whatever is necessary to win in November.
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She issued official talking points to her surrogates to bring it up, which is why they were, um, bringing it up left and right. Sounds like she's had a talking to since then, and it sounds like she's on the right track with her concession and endorsement. But she was clearly trying to angle in previously.
 
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jarrod

Banned
Cheebs said:
wtf did Lou Dobbs just praise obama?

"Obama, good start. McCain you got a lot of work to do."
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Makes sense, Dobbs seems the sort to not do his homework and praise empty political gestures. :lol



GhaleonEB said:
She issued official talking points to her surrogates to bring it up, which is why they were, um, bringing it up left and right. Sounds like she's had a talking to since then, and it sounds like she's on the right track with her concession and endorsement. But she was clearly trying to angle in previously.
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I dunno, I'd say the media blowback from said angling was probably enough itself. The Clintons might be insane, but they're not suicidal.
 
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sangreal

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GhaleonEB said:
She issued official talking points to her surrogates to bring it up, which is why they were, um, bringing it up left and right. Sounds like she's had a talking to since then, and it sounds like she's on the right track with her concession and endorsement. But she was clearly trying to angle in previously.
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You're right. So much has happened the last few days I forgot about the talking points

I guess she felt the backlash from trying to force her way into the ticket
 
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CowboyAstronaut

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Uh oh. Ed Rendell now definitely off the list of potential Vice Presidents.

Apparently he's in support of some foreign company making a 13 billion odd lease on the Pennsylvania Turnpike?

Sangreal. She was blatantly trying to get the VP position. It's no surprise that Bob Johnson tried to start that petition. He's doing it on her behalf. Bob Johnson wouldn't have done that unless it was by her instruction. He's a total pawn for the Clintons.

Seriously though, Obama does not want that to be used against him as a sign that he's naive and doesn't represent the type of judgment necessary of Commander in Chief. If the choice of a VP is suppose to be the "most important decision he has to make before he's President"

Ed Rendell is definitely off the list.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
CowboyAstronaut said:
Uh oh. Ed Rendell now definitely off the list of potential Vice Presidents.

Apparently he's in support of some foreign company making a 13 billion odd lease on the Pennsylvania Turnpike?

sangreal. She was blatantly trying to get the VP position. It's no surprise that Bob Johnson tried to start that petition. He's doing it on her behalf. Bob Johnson wouldn't have done that unless it was by her instruction. He's a total pawn for the Clintons.
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Why would Ed want that?
 
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jarrod

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sangreal said:
Sure, I'll bite. Why do you consider it an empty political gesture?
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Because spouses of lobbyists aren't in any way constrained, even if they're not gainfully employed. Also, attorneys of lobbyists aren't constrained, even if they happen to represent multiple lobbyists... fairly convenient loopholes I'd say. You'd almost think the GOP came up with this one.
 
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CowboyAstronaut

Banned
mckmas8808 said:
Why would Ed want that?
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I have no idea, but according to Lou Doobs, Ed Rendell is the one that actually presented it to the Pennsylvania delegation?

I know it was definitely said.

A spanish investor I think.
 
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GhaleonEB

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jarrod said:
I dunno, I'd say the media blowback from said angling was probably enough itself. The Clintons might be insane, but they're not suicidal.
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Her reversal of course in veep talk, concession and endorsement of Obama began right after a conference call with her backers and Dem leadership.
jarrod said:
Because spouses of lobbyists aren't in any way constrained, even if they're not gainfully employed. Also, attorneys of lobbyists aren't constrained, even if they happen to represent multiple lobbyists... fairly convenient loopholes I'd say. You'd almost think the GOP came up with this one.
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:lol
 
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kevm3

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LOL@the McCain delivering bottled hot water to babies line. If he is indeed our next president, at least I can enjoy a good laugh as our country goes down the drain.
 
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Deus Ex Machina

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Florida...breaking party rules was merely an act of civil disobedience. Alcee Hastings gets bitter

http://www.thewestsidegazette.com/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=89091&sID=4&ItemSource=L
“I suppose the DNC has the right to block Democrats in Florida from attending the National Convention. They also have the right to be stupid, and stupid they are.

“At the beginning of our great country’s history my ancestors were counted as only two-thirds of a person. Until passage of the 15th Amendment in 1870, they weren’t allowed to vote. During that same time and until 1920, women could not vote. White men who did not own property could not vote at one point in our history as well.

“Now, on May 31, 2008, a group of elitist insiders of the DNC have effectively said that some of my ancestors’ progeny equal only 1/2 and that men and women in Florida who voted on Jan. 29 are 1/2 also. For a Party which will crown its historic nominee on the 45th anniversary of Dr. King’s ‘I Have a Dream’ speech, the DNC’s decision today is tragically ironic.

“As a matter of protest, I do not intend to attend the Democratic National Convention in Denver.
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Calling your party "stupid" is pretty divisive. Comparing their decision to something racist is unforgivable.
 
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Fireblend

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kevm3 said:
LOL@the McCain delivering bottled hot water to babies line. If he is indeed our next president, at least I can enjoy a good laugh as our country goes down the drain.
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Too bad these last 8 years have already been a poor comedy sketch =/
 
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thekad

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jarrod said:
Because spouses of lobbyists aren't in any way constrained, even if they're not gainfully employed. Also, attorneys of lobbyists aren't constrained, even if they happen to represent multiple lobbyists... fairly convenient loopholes I'd say. You'd almost think the GOP came up with this one.
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I say we employ the one-drop rule. Then we wouldn't even have an election.
 
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sangreal

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Deus Ex Machina said:
Florida...breaking party rules was merely an act of civil disobedience. Alcee Hastings gets bitter

http://www.thewestsidegazette.com/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=89091&sID=4&ItemSource=L

Calling your party "stupid" is pretty divisive. Comparing their decision to something racist is unforgivable.
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Not surprised; I remember when it happened and they were like fuck the national party, we can set whatever date we want and we're not changing it.

Now they try to pretend they were against changing it
 
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Sharp

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Oh dear, it seems my Israeli cousin has struck again...
Dear (Name removed),

>>>> Unfortunately, though she won the popular vote, in our system, she did
not make it. I think it is a tragedy for the U.S. and Israel! I think she
was our best hope.

Cheer up, please!

It is not a tragedy for the U.S. that this ghastly lady is not a candidate.

Hillary Clinton did not hold an executive position in her life. She is not
qualified to run a hamburger shop; yet, she felt qualified to run the U.S.
Government. Clinton’s only “qualifications” are colossal ambition and
enormous impudence.

Hillary Clinton claimed to some “experience” because she was married to a
President. If this claim was acceptable, then I wonder why Monica Lewinsky
was not a candidate; Monica surely had by far more Presidential experience
than Hillary.

It is definitely not a tragedy for Israel that this appalling anti-Semite is
not a candidate. She will surely proceed with her unabashed support for her
beloved murderous terrorists but she will not do it from the Oval Office.

If you are not convinced, please read [1] again and try to refute the facts.
If you cannot refute, you have no choice but to agree.

BTW, the sleazy lady has not finished yet; she was kicked out of the door
but she may try to get to the White House via a window on the ticket of
Hussein God-Damn-America-Obama.

(Name removed)

[1] (Name removed), “The presidential aspirant”, Letter of 24.01.07.
Available at (URL deleted)
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Yes, he actually puts citations into his emails. And yes, he does give Israel a bad name and I really hope my grandmother stands by what she said, that she would vote for Obama even though she prefers Hillary.
 
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jarrod

Banned
GhaleonEB said:
Her reversal of course in veep talk, concession and endorsement of Obama began right after a conference call with her backers and Dem leadership.
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Oh sure, she needed to have her nose rubbed in it for the concession. I'm still amazed it didn't come Tuesday night... like I said, insane...


GhaleonEB said:
:lol
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Truth hurts. Not that I mind, it's a brilliant strategy... bye bye old Washington politic, hello nu Chicago politic! :lol
 
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Deus Ex Machina

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sangreal said:
Not surprised; I remember when it happened and they were like fuck the national party, we can set whatever date we want and we're not changing it.

Now they try to pretend they were against changing it
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If they seated FL & MI in full would Obama still have more delegates?
 
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esbern

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if i wanted to show somebody a list of legislative and community accomplishments obama has, where would i find it on the internet? i want to give it to my father so he can sit down and have a look at it, because for the first time in history (he is 60) he wants to vote democrat. this is a big deal since i've been trying to get him to do this since 2000 (though i knew shit about politics then....i was 15).
 
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Sharp

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Deus Ex Machina said:
If they seated FL & MI in full would Obama still have more delegates?
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Yes, but the point is that states should be punished for moving their primaries around randomly.
 
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sangreal

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Deus Ex Machina said:
If they seated FL & MI in full would Obama still have more delegates?
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Yes, which is most likely going to happen anyway

The important thing was restoring all of the delegates so that they can participate in the convention in support of their candidate. 50% or 100% of the vote isn't going to make a difference at this point and Alcee "I won't campaign against Republicans" Hastings should shut the fuck up. I thought he was boycotting the convention anyway
 
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Deus Ex Machina

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Sharp said:
Yes, but the point is that states should be punished for moving their primaries around randomly.
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sangreal said:
Yes, which is most likely going to happen anyway

The important thing was restoring all of the delegates so that they can participate in the convention in support of their candidate. 50% or 100% of the vote isn't going to make a difference at this point and Alcee "I won't campaign against Republicans" Hastings should shut the fuck up. I thought he was boycotting the convention anyway
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The guy acting like it would change the outcome of the primary...
 
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sangreal

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esbern said:
if i wanted to show somebody a list of legislative and community accomplishments obama has, where would i find it on the internet? i want to give it to my father so he can sit down and have a look at it, because for the first time in history (he is 60) he wants to vote democrat. this is a big deal since i've been trying to get him to do this since 2000 (though i knew shit about politics then....i was 15).
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www.barackobama.com/issues
http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_barack.php
http://obama.senate.gov/votes/
www.usaspending.gov
etc
 
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Deus Ex Machina

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Oprah Winfrey Says She's 'Euphoric' About Obama

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20204562,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines
"I'm euphoric, I've been doing the happy dance all day," Winfrey, 54, tells Entertainment Tonight.

"I'm so proud of Barack and [his wife] Michelle Obama and what this means for all of us ... the new possibilities for our country. And if he wants me to, I'm ready to go door to door," added Winfrey, who has been on the campaign trail with the candidate since last year.

Meanwhile, Michelle Obama is slated to appear as a guest co-host on The View June 18.
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Haven't heard from her in months!
 
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Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
jarrod said:
Truth hurts. Not that I mind, it's a brilliant strategy... bye bye old Washington politic, hello nu Chicago politic! :lol
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I assume then you'll be willing to go through the FEC records when all is said and done and demonstrating that a non-trivial sum of money is channeling through non-employed spouses of lobbyists?
 
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jarrod

Banned
Stumpokapow said:
I assume then you'll be willing to go through the FEC records when all is said and done and demonstrating that a non-trivial sum of money is channeling through non-employed spouses of lobbyists?
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What what what? I don't care, I'm voting for Obama. :D

Besides, I'd expect most contributions to be funneled through lawyers or groups they set up. , spouses are too obviously and easily traceable. Also, only federal lobbyists are barred, lobbyists registered at the state level are unaffected. This plan's for mainstream talking points more than anything, I've no doubt the DNC will be more than happy to continue taking lobbyist contributions, albeit indirectly.
 
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CowboyAstronaut

Banned
sangreal said:
CNN just reported on this :lol

"Imagine if he had loosened his tie!"

"And there are those that think he has a woman problem, hah!"
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If Obama was in the same room as both those females they might've tackled him.
 
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Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
jarrod said:
Besides, I'd expect most contributions to be funneled through lawyers or groups they set up. , spouses are too obviously and easily traceable. Also, only federal lobbyists are barred, lobbyists registered at the state level are unaffected. This plan's for mainstream talking points more than anything, I've no doubt the DNC will be more than happy to continue taking lobbyist contributions, albeit indirectly.
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I think that's awfully cynical and you've set yourself up for an invincible defence; if the claim that this is a bogus political move is incorrect, no one would ever be able to prove it so because you've alleged that such evidence is merely a coverup.

I think there are times like the estate tax issue where politicians transform a clearly self-beneficial practice into a populist one, and I think we're right to be skeptical of a political claim--but when that skepticism becomes pyrrhonism or whatever, it kinda degrades the level of analysis and discourse going on.

(As you might be aware; I'm Canadian, and have thus no vested interest in relatively petty or benign bureaucratic corruption in the US--I just think your stance here is a bit silly)
 
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CowboyAstronaut

Banned
Deus Ex Machina said:
Can you imagine Oprah going door to door? or even better, opening your door and finding Oprah on your doorstep :lol
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I'd hug the shit out of her.

Obama gave the woman who interviewed him on CNN a fist pound :lol

Man he just knows when he's onto something huge doesn't he? :)
 
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jarrod

Banned
Stumpokapow said:
I think that's awfully cynical and you've set yourself up for an invincible defence; if the claim that this is a bogus political move is incorrect, no one would ever be able to prove it so because you've alleged that such evidence is merely a coverup.

I think there are times like the estate tax issue where politicians transform a clearly self-beneficial practice into a populist one, and I think we're right to be skeptical of a political claim--but when that skepticism becomes pyrrhonism or whatever, it kinda degrades the level of analysis and discourse going on.

(As you might be aware; I'm Canadian, and have thus no vested interest in relatively petty or benign bureaucratic corruption in the US--I just think your stance here is a bit silly)
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Oh, come on... there's pretty blatant back door here. Meanwhile, headlines will sing the DNC's virtues for "rejecting special interest money" or whatnot.

It's actually the sort of thing that's brought me around to the Obama camp, despite the creepy messiah complex message his campaign puts out.
 
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Farmboy

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Deus Ex Machina said:
Can you imagine Oprah going door to door? or even better, opening your door and finding Oprah on your doorstep :lol
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There might be some disappointment when people find out they won't be getting a car.
 
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