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PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)
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Hillary supporters are now complaining (read: claiming pay offs) about supers (the WV one in particular today) because he went against the will of the people.
Is it just me or wouldn't all the supers voting by the states decisions give the advantage to Obama? Cant have it both ways Hillbots.
Is it just me or wouldn't all the supers voting by the states decisions give the advantage to Obama? Cant have it both ways Hillbots.
Manmademan
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but the real question is: if I turn off my tv for a week then come back, will it be an automatic obama victory?
DrForester
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pxleyes said:
I heard about some crazy person a few months ago saying the supers are there to vote for whoever they want and should not let their states votes affect them. Probably some wacko Obama supporter.
Anyways. Let the Obama celebration commence.
Hillary is so pathetic. I will laugh so hard if she keeps campaigning after Obama locks up the nomination. It'll be like if a baseball team remained on the field after the game is over, insisting that they should be the victors.
It's scary to think that she either:
1. Thinks that she can actually convince superdelegates to overturn the delegate decision.
or
2. Doesn't care how much it hurts the party, will continue to campaign and gain radical supporters in the hopes of forcing Obama to pick her as his VP.
I don't think anybody that insanely hungry for power can be trusted in any seat of power. Hopefully by the time she's done with this little disaster she's lost so much respect that nobody wants to deal with her, and her political career crashes and burns.
It's scary to think that she either:
1. Thinks that she can actually convince superdelegates to overturn the delegate decision.
or
2. Doesn't care how much it hurts the party, will continue to campaign and gain radical supporters in the hopes of forcing Obama to pick her as his VP.
I don't think anybody that insanely hungry for power can be trusted in any seat of power. Hopefully by the time she's done with this little disaster she's lost so much respect that nobody wants to deal with her, and her political career crashes and burns.
DrForester
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the disgruntled gamer said:
My problem is with HOW Clinton is continuing her campaign not that she is continuing. Negativity, and trying to drive a wedge in the party.
She has every right to stay in the primary as long as she wants, even up to the convention and there is no justification for ANYONE saying she should have dropped out. If the democrats want an official answer sooner, they should shorten the primary season. Obama has been abiding by DNC rules, and to be fair to Clinton, DNC rules give her every right to continue till the convention.
Again, she's going about it all wrong with the way she is continuing to campaign, but she does have every right to stay in.
DrForester
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JayDubya said:
Then.
Black Rook to F8
RiskyChris
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Tamanon said:
That hits the spot :lol
Man that Lou Dobbs panel cut Clinton up.
"I have no doubt that if the roles were reversed, everyone... everyone in the WORLD would be asking Obama to get out of the race."
"Absolutely, there's no doubt about that. So all this whining is..."
"You might actually say if the roles were reversed, Obama would have the sense and the CLASS to get out of the race."
"That's why I like you!"
:lol
"I have no doubt that if the roles were reversed, everyone... everyone in the WORLD would be asking Obama to get out of the race."
"Absolutely, there's no doubt about that. So all this whining is..."
"You might actually say if the roles were reversed, Obama would have the sense and the CLASS to get out of the race."
"That's why I like you!"
:lol
BurntBacon
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Triumph said:
So did Breckinridge in 1860 on the Southern Democratic ticket if you go by Electoral votes, which you kinda have to just due to the massive difference in the population of the country between 1860 and 1968. Roosevelt got more popular votes and Electoral votes than the incumbent president while running on a third party ticket, and the only reason he was able to do this was because he was an immensely popular former president.
DrForester
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Might as well add this to the thread as well. This is the current standings of the Popular vote thing, just so you can see what wacky angles the Clinton's are coming from.
From the last thread
From the last thread
PhoenixDark
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Hillary has every right to stay in the race as long as she wants - it's about delegates, and Obama doesn't have enough to be the nominee yet. I think some Obama fans have instigated this fire by playing into Hillary's hands, calling for her to get out the race because "she can't win." That's not the point of her being in the race. Like it or not her campaign was quite historic, just as Obama's is. She wants to go out on her own time, and women across the country want their chance to vote for her in primaries, whether it changes the political landscape or not.
And on the other hand, if Hillary had simply stuck to that valid script we wouldn't be in this position. She's taken advantage of her bully pulpit to claim abuse on a truly laughable scale. As I said, some of it IS justifiable but her "civil rights" bullshit is a joke. I dunno if she has permanently harmed the party but I don't see how some of this stuff will heal in time for November. This worry would be irrelevent if Obama was running against a Huckabee/Romney/etc type. But like it or not McCain is still seen as a "different" republican, and he's definitely the right one at the right time.
And on the other hand, if Hillary had simply stuck to that valid script we wouldn't be in this position. She's taken advantage of her bully pulpit to claim abuse on a truly laughable scale. As I said, some of it IS justifiable but her "civil rights" bullshit is a joke. I dunno if she has permanently harmed the party but I don't see how some of this stuff will heal in time for November. This worry would be irrelevent if Obama was running against a Huckabee/Romney/etc type. But like it or not McCain is still seen as a "different" republican, and he's definitely the right one at the right time.
Trakdown said:
I second this request.
PhoenixDark said:
I don't care how high and mighty she is. All she has proven with her actions is that she's in it for herself and that's it. Not for the party. Not for the country. Herself. Because she came into this thinking she would have this wrapped up on Feb 5th and now she wants to ignore reality. If she really wanted what's best for the party she would have bowed out already and not sit there and throw a hissy fit to try to change the rules because she's behind. If she can't follow the rules and can't keep a campaign budget, how in the hell can anyone expect someone like her to run a country?
PhoenixDark said:
Just wait until Obama debates him. The "3rd Bush Term" isn't far behind.
DrForester
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I also think that Obama fans do need to acknowledge that though Clinton has been trying to tear down Obama at every turn she has (I believe totally unintentionally, but bet she adopts this line when she does ocnceed) made Obama a stronger candidate.
The concern is not that she is in the race right now. That is fine, and even very appropriate that she run to the end of the primaries. It is that she will continue to run - or contest the results even after Obama wins enough delegates to be the nominee.PhoenixDark said:
True. She prepared him for the Republican attacks in the fall by using them quite effectively.DrForester said:
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PhoenixDark said:
Historic as in a heavy favorite to clinch the nomination be sidelined by a relatively unknown (compared to her) junior senator who ran circles around her when it came to campaign management - i agree..
biggest choke in the history of politics historic!
PhoenixDark said:
Again, I've got no problem with her staying in all the way to the convention if she wants. The problem is that she is running an incredibly divisive campaign and even if she quits and endorses Obama she has purposely implanted in her supporter's mind the (false) idea that this election has been stolen from her and no amount of platitudes is going to make them forget that by November. If she were running a clean campaign then not only would I not be calling for her to quit, but I'd also say she still would have a chance of turning some supers since not all of her arguments are invalid (but she has gone so far off the deep-end that it isn't possible to nominate her at this point)
Shortly after super Tuesday when the race was still competitive I thought it was fantastic that the primary was continuing since it was making the candidates build organizations and excitement in every state. Back then I thought it would be great if they fixed the calendar up so that all primary's lasted through 50 states (but not as prolonged as this primary) before the winner was clear. However, her negative campaigning has killed that idea for me
DrForester
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Should add this to the Op to see if it holds up.
Hillary says: "It all comes down to Tuesday."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/29/1078181.aspx
Hillary says: "It all comes down to Tuesday."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/29/1078181.aspx
DrForester
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mj1108 said:
I don't think we'll see her conceding until Obama passes the delegate number needed. If Obama is crafty in super announcements he could probably get it so Tuesday night puts him over the top. I think it would help him if he could say that voters put him over the top, not super delegates.
Rumors from Clinton's camp the past few weeks keep saying she'll be out by June 15.
The Clinton campaign is actively encouraging - or officially not discouraging, as Obama's camp is - protesters to come to the meeting and a group is busing people in from around the country.dolemite said:
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1810466,00.html
PhoenixDark
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sangreal said:
I agree. She could have continued to campaign like Huckabee did for instance. Imagine if Huck stayed in the race and kept hammering McCain on shit, perhaps trying to make Christian conservatives even more hesitant to support him. Instead he bowed out in a dignified manner and is looking like a strong 2012 candidate if McCain falters this year. Hillary could have done the same - instead she seems to think democrats will forgive her for possibily fucking up such a good shot at the WH. How can she think she won't suffer any backlash?
maximum360
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DrForester said:
Yeah, just like she said it would be decided by super tuesday. Does anyone even believe a word she says anymore?
BTW, CNN (Campbell Brown) pastorbating again. Apparently something offensive said by the new pastor or someone else at the pulpit of Obama's church.
grandjedi6
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Mike M said:
You're assuming Hillary plays by the traditional rules of "One move per turn"
The Lamonster
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so what the hell is this?Manmademan said:
but the real question is: if I turn off my tv for a week then come back, will it be an automatic obama victory?
XiaNaphryz
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That's easy to explain. There's no need to promote the piece, Obama can win without having to. Hell, he promoted a pawn to another rook, he didn't even need another queen.quietcrown said:
I had the pleasure of turning a friend away from Clinton last week by giving a laundry list of Clinton's poor choice of actions during this campaign. But the notable part, is that she was mostly informed by whatever her father chose to pass on, and both were convinced that Hillary had the nomination wrapped up. She had no idea Obama led in delegates, either pledged or super. I tried not to totally come down on her, since she'd done little of her own research, but yeah.
Hillaryis44 is one thing, but seeing those falsehoods believed in real life is another.
Hillaryis44 is one thing, but seeing those falsehoods believed in real life is another.
BurntBacon
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ronito said:
Clearly all those black pieces are unfairly ganging up on the Female chess player. I can't believe Obama keeps telling her to forfeit, would any male chess player be asked to forfeit in such a close game? We all remember how Robert Kennedy was assassinated at this point in a chess game, so I don't understand the repeated calls for Hillary to forfeit at this time.
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